Subject: npds Digest V2 #3

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:18:59 +0100 (CET)

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npds Digest	Tue, 23 Jan 2001	Volume: 02  Issue: 003

In This Issue:
		[NPDS] Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
		[NPDS] Admin log request info quirk

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Tracker Client vs. Tracker
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:33:34 -0500

Hello -

I often find that I cannot register with a tracker - even while other people
appear as registered (and are in fact online). 
The registration goes as expected (connect/disconnect floaters appear),  but
-- my server does not appear in the tracker's listing.  (Yes, I reload the
page) Even a full reset, manual regup and setting pre-programmed regup times
does not seem to work. I simply wait a few days, the behaviour disappears,
and I am again able to register and appear on a tracker.

I am behind a firewall, but I know I can be seen, because people who know my
permanent IP address still visit my site when it is not tracked.

This behaviour makes me think it is a problem with the tracker, and not my
client.

Any comments/suggestions?

Paul F.

My Newton Server: http://128.150.102.46

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:36:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Filmer, Paul E wrote:

> I often find that I cannot register with a tracker - even while other people
> appear as registered (and are in fact online). 
> The registration goes as expected (connect/disconnect floaters appear),  but
> -- my server does not appear in the tracker's listing.  (Yes, I reload the
> page) Even a full reset, manual regup and setting pre-programmed regup times
> does not seem to work. I simply wait a few days, the behaviour disappears,
> and I am again able to register and appear on a tracker.
> 
> I am behind a firewall, but I know I can be seen, because people who know my
> permanent IP address still visit my site when it is not tracked.
> 
> This behaviour makes me think it is a problem with the tracker, and not my
> client.

Does this happen with both Matt's RealBASIC tracker
(http://130.126.50.66/) and my Java tracker (http://131.104.48.34:2110)?

-------Victor Rehorst - [email-masked] | [email-masked]
-Secretary, College of Arts and CPES Student Councils, University of Guelph-
-------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org -------------

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:02:42 -0500

Hey Victor -

I tried altering my settings to register on your tracker, but I can't even
get your page to load any more (endless 403s), so I have a null result up to
now.  I'm not exactly sure I have all the settings right in the Tracker
Client to reg w/ you.

Paul F.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Victor Rehorst [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:37 PM
> 
> Does this happen with both Matt's RealBASIC tracker
> (http://130.126.50.66/) and my Java tracker (http://131.104.48.34:2110)?
> 
> -------Victor Rehorst

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:20:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Filmer, Paul E wrote:

> Hey Victor -
> 
> I tried altering my settings to register on your tracker, but I can't even
> get your page to load any more (endless 403s), so I have a null result up to
> now.  I'm not exactly sure I have all the settings right in the Tracker
> Client to reg w/ you.

Bah, the server was down for some reason.  I don't think it crashed, but
who knows.  It was stable for a loooong time.  Try again now.

-------Victor Rehorst - [email-masked] | [email-masked]
-Secretary, College of Arts and CPES Student Councils, University of Guelph-
-------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org -------------

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:56:31 -0500

No such luck...  Got your server page to load once, did the regup on my
Newt, and then never got your page back. Sigh.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Victor Rehorst [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:20 PM
> 
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Filmer, Paul E wrote:
> 
> > Hey Victor -
> > 
> > I tried altering my settings to register on your tracker, but I can't
> even
> > get your page to load any more (endless 403s), so I have a null result
> up to
> > now.  I'm not exactly sure I have all the settings right in the Tracker
> > Client to reg w/ you.
> 
> Bah, the server was down for some reason.  I don't think it crashed, but
> who knows.  It was stable for a loooong time.  Try again now.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:08:26 +0100
From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker

>I often find that I cannot register with a tracker - even while other people
>appear as registered (and are in fact online).
>The registration goes as expected (connect/disconnect floaters appear),  but
>-- my server does not appear in the tracker's listing.  (Yes, I reload the
>page) Even a full reset, manual regup and setting pre-programmed regup times
>does not seem to work. I simply wait a few days, the behaviour disappears,
>and I am again able to register and appear on a tracker.
>
>I am behind a firewall, but I know I can be seen, because people who know my
>permanent IP address still visit my site when it is not tracked.
>
>This behaviour makes me think it is a problem with the tracker, and not my
>client.
>
>Any comments/suggestions?

It is indeed a problem of Matt's tracker. And the admin.cgi doesn't 
work, so I cannot restart it. The only thing to do is to tell Matt 
about it.

Matt: could you please do something?

Paul
-- 
http://www.kallisys.com/

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:10:36 +0100
From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker

>No such luck...  Got your server page to load once, did the regup on my
>Newt, and then never got your page back. Sigh.

Victor's server is currently running properly as I've been able to 
register my Macintosh and unregister it, having the web page 
reflecting the change each time.

Paul
-- 
http://www.kallisys.com/

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:21:49 -0500

Hmm.  I can get Victor's page if I type out the IP address, but if I use the
domain name it is extremely sporadic.  A network/routing table problem?

Paul F.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul Guyot [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:11 PM
> 
> >No such luck...  Got your server page to load once, did the regup on my
> >Newt, and then never got your page back. Sigh.
> 
> Victor's server is currently running properly as I've been able to 
> register my Macintosh and unregister it, having the web page 
> reflecting the change each time.
> 
> Paul G.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:42:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Filmer, Paul E wrote:

> Hmm.  I can get Victor's page if I type out the IP address, but if I use the
> domain name it is extremely sporadic.  A network/routing table problem?

The server is going good.  Your (Paul F's) tracker is registered, and I
can access the page fine with both eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca and 131.104.48.34
from on campus and from home on my cable modem (which routes through
Chicago, even though I'm a 10 minute drive from the server).  It could be
some network problem - Ontario Universities' outside connection (one of
them) is provided by Bell Nexxia, not the best bandwidth provider out
there.

-------Victor Rehorst - [email-masked] | [email-masked]
-Secretary, College of Arts and CPES Student Councils, University of Guelph-
-------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org -------------

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Client vs. Tracker
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:56:34 -0500

Thanks Victor - I should have mentioned that I did see my server listed on
your tracker... I know we are somewhat disconnected from MAE-EAST at the
moment, so that may be part of it as well.

Paul F.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Victor Rehorst [SMTP:[email-masked]]
> Sent:	Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM
> 
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Filmer, Paul E wrote:
> 
> > Hmm.  I can get Victor's page if I type out the IP address, but if I use
> the
> > domain name it is extremely sporadic.  A network/routing table problem?
> 
> The server is going good.  Your (Paul F's) tracker is registered, and I
> can access the page fine with both eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca and 131.104.48.34
> from on campus and from home on my cable modem (which routes through
> Chicago, even though I'm a 10 minute drive from the server).  It could be
> some network problem - Ontario Universities' outside connection (one of
> them) is provided by Bell Nexxia, not the best bandwidth provider out
> there.
> 
> -------Victor Rehorst

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From: "Filmer, Paul E" <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov>
Subject: [NPDS] Admin log request info quirk
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:11:49 -0500

Here's something I have noticed in a few logs:

<start log excerpt>
blah blah blah ....

www.cadence.org 216.160.130.2
 /html/-88186101$216.nsd                1/23/01 3:23 pm 

eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca   131.104.48.34
 /traq/confirm.ns               1/23/01 3:20 pm 
GET /traq/confirm.ns    202     1/23/01 3:49 pm Java1.1.7
GET /traq/confirm.ns    202     1/23/01 4:19 pm Java1.1.7
GET /traq/confirm.ns    202     1/23/01 4:49 pm Java1.1.7
GET /traq/confirm.ns    202     1/23/01 5:19 pm Java1.1.7
GET /traq/confirm.ns    202     1/23/01 5:49 pm Java1.1.7

host213-1-193-13.btinternet.com 213.1.193.13
 /html/Active%20Newton%20User%20Group%20Meetings                1/23/01 5:56
pm 

apple.nsf.gov   128.150.1.23
GET /html/index.html    200     1/23/01 10:07 am        Mozilla/4.73 [en]
(Win98; U)
GET /html/-88186101$238.nsd     200     1/23/01 10:07 am        Mozilla/4.73
[en] (Win98; U)
...blah blah blah
</end log excerpt>

NB the served page listed by its Title, rather than by its Newton filename,
/html/-88186101$216.nsd  

Convenient, when it happens... but I don't understand how it happens.

Paul F.

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