From ???@??? Mon Jan 28 07:28:02 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #1 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 27 Jan 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 001 In This Issue: [NPDS] NPDS and Tibet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Lewis" Subject: [NPDS] NPDS and Tibet Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:44:40 -0700 Anyone had any thoughts (or even success's) with serving Tibetan pictures? Can this be done with Npds scripting capabilities? Thanks CLewis ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #1 ************************ From ???@??? Wed Jan 30 06:51:57 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:12:33 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #2 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 29 Jan 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 002 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:45:19 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Charles Lewis typed vigorously: >Anyone had any thoughts (or even success's) with serving Tibetan pictures? >Can this be done with Npds scripting capabilities? I haven't had any experience with Tibet, but I figured that someone should post a reply to make it appear as if this list is active. Now, back to the topic at hand... I am interested in finding a CoolPix 900 or 950 camera and giving Tibet a try. What camera are you using Charles? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:21:56 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet From: martina wilson woo lee and mike from LAnug have both gotten the coolpix 950 to work at our meetings. it's really cool i must say. martina wilson LAnug@earthlink.net On Monday, January 28, 2002, at 06:45 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > In a previous message, Charles Lewis typed vigorously: > >> Anyone had any thoughts (or even success's) with serving Tibetan >> pictures? >> Can this be done with Npds scripting capabilities? > > I haven't had any experience with Tibet, but I figured that someone > should post a reply to make it appear as if this list is active. Now, > back to the topic at hand... I am interested in finding a CoolPix 900 or > 950 camera and giving Tibet a try. What camera are you using Charles? > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys > > Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ > Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ > Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds- > request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ From: "Charles Lewis" Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:31:33 -0700 I use an Agfa E-Photo 307 with Tibet. I'm going to see if there is a way to serve this images with NPDS. I know that SimpleMail can interface with them, maybe a way for NPDS?? -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr]On Behalf Of Grant Hutchinson Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:45 PM To: NPDS Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet In a previous message, Charles Lewis typed vigorously: >Anyone had any thoughts (or even success's) with serving Tibetan pictures? >Can this be done with Npds scripting capabilities? I haven't had any experience with Tibet, but I figured that someone should post a reply to make it appear as if this list is active. Now, back to the topic at hand... I am interested in finding a CoolPix 900 or 950 camera and giving Tibet a try. What camera are you using Charles? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:25:36 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet From: Matt Vaughn There was some discussion of this and even some progress on the serving front in 1999 when I was developing NPDS 2.0. Tibet stores its images as big binary JPEG files in a soup. I tried to get it working but lacking a) a fast newton b) a digital camera and c) free time I never got much done. But it's certainly doable. Basically, someone should be able to convert the source for Paul Guyot's binary server to serve up images from your Tibet image soup with a little effort. Cheers, Matt On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 06:31 PM, Charles Lewis wrote: > I use an Agfa E-Photo 307 with Tibet. I'm going to see if there is a way > to > serve this images with NPDS. I know that SimpleMail can interface with > them, maybe a way for NPDS?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr]On Behalf Of > Grant Hutchinson > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:45 PM > To: NPDS > Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet > > > In a previous message, Charles Lewis typed vigorously: > >> Anyone had any thoughts (or even success's) with serving Tibetan >> pictures? >> Can this be done with Npds scripting capabilities? > > I haven't had any experience with Tibet, but I figured that someone > should post a reply to make it appear as if this list is active. Now, > back to the topic at hand... I am interested in finding a CoolPix 900 or > 950 camera and giving Tibet a try. What camera are you using Charles? > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys > > Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ > Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ > Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds- > request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #2 ************************ From ???@??? Thu Jan 31 06:51:26 2002 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:12:11 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #3 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 30 Jan 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 003 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:28:25 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS and Tibet >There was some discussion of this and even some progress on the >serving front in 1999 when I was developing NPDS 2.0. Tibet stores >its images as big binary JPEG files in a soup. I tried to get it >working but lacking a) a fast newton b) a digital camera and c) free >time I never got much done. But it's certainly doable. Basically, >someone should be able to convert the source for Paul Guyot's binary >server to serve up images from your Tibet image soup with a little >effort. I don't have a digital camera nor free time (but this is just a normal condition here). However, if someone tells me what's the format of Tibet Soup, I'll make the change to binary server. I remind you that binary server is experimental and unsupported. Nevertheless, there are some good pages about it on the web (I think it's John's note about it that I remember of). Also, Binary Server sends all the binary at once, and NewtonOS communication layer isn't very fond of it if it's too big (now that I think about it, this could be a problem with the GIF server as well). Paul PS: Pleased to see you around Matt. Have you seen what Victor has done on the home page of our branch of NPDS modules? -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #3 ************************ From ???@??? Wed Feb 13 07:19:24 2002 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:12:28 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #4 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 12 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 004 In This Issue: [NPDS] Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:05:53 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Hi all, Just a thought I had under the shower (why would I take showers if I hadn't crazy thoughts there?). NPDS 3 will not simply be a new kernel. It should be a real improvement of NPDS, more personal and easier to use. It could come with a set of themes (css, templates) of personal data server i.e. new user would just have to install the various packages, do a quick setup of the server (port, admin password, name & other tracker client information), choose a theme and the Newton will automatically serve pages according to this theme. Of course, it has to be gorgious, follow W3C standards and readable with Newtscape/NetHopper. A theme would be a set of css, template files & pictures giving a style to the server. For example I thought there could be one making the server look like a Newton (with the NotePad decoration and so on). In fact, there would be integrated a theme prefs where you would choose between package-themes coming with NPDS (or from third parties), and personal theme, directly from NotePad/binary servers, thus allowing full customization of all that. What do you think? and If you think it's a good idea, are there any volunteering & talented webdesigners wishing to make some static pseudo-NPDS server following a given theme? Also, I think we should discuss about the structure of NPDS-3 servers. There are things we should keep as is, I think, and things that should change or be replaced. I guess that we need: * some functionality like the pager (the pager has to be entirely redesigned, for example it should store pages in a soup and open itself automatically after a restart if it wasn't closed) Maybe the pager soup could simply be In/OutBox? * some functionality to simply serve pages (from the NotePad/NewtWorks), with inline graphics (so you can serve very simply a note) * the dates and cardfile servers (probably need some little changes and they should benefit from new techs such as HTTP authentication) * some way to serve screen shots * the tracker client of course The big thing I would like to discuss with you is the Note-posting capability and forum-like (or guest-book like) feature. I have several ideas, but maybe I should listen from your suggestions first. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:10:03 +0100 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure From: Cheezy GO! GO! GO! ;o) Cheezy Le mardi 12 février 2002, à 11:05 , Paul Guyot a écrit : > Hi all, > > Just a thought I had under the shower (why would I take showers if I > hadn't crazy thoughts there?). > [...] What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:12:27 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure From: David Abramowitz Sounds great, Paul. I'd be happy to help out in any way possible. - Dave On 2/12/02 5:05 AM, "Paul Guyot" wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a thought I had under the shower (why would I take showers if I > hadn't crazy thoughts there?). > > NPDS 3 will not simply be a new kernel. It should be a real > improvement of NPDS, more personal and easier to use. > > It could come with a set of themes (css, templates) of personal data server > i.e. new user would just have to install the various packages, do a > quick setup of the server (port, admin password, name & other tracker > client information), choose a theme and the Newton will automatically > serve pages according to this theme. Of course, it has to be > gorgious, follow W3C standards and readable with Newtscape/NetHopper. > > A theme would be a set of css, template files & pictures giving a > style to the server. For example I thought there could be one making > the server look like a Newton (with the NotePad decoration and so on). > > In fact, there would be integrated a theme prefs where you would > choose between package-themes coming with NPDS (or from third > parties), and personal theme, directly from NotePad/binary servers, > thus allowing full customization of all that. > > What do you think? > > and > > If you think it's a good idea, are there any volunteering & talented > webdesigners wishing to make some static pseudo-NPDS server following > a given theme? > > Also, I think we should discuss about the structure of NPDS-3 > servers. There are things we should keep as is, I think, and things > that should change or be replaced. > > I guess that we need: > * some functionality like the pager (the pager has to be entirely > redesigned, for example it should store pages in a soup and open > itself automatically after a restart if it wasn't closed) > Maybe the pager soup could simply be In/OutBox? > * some functionality to simply serve pages (from the > NotePad/NewtWorks), with inline graphics (so you can serve very > simply a note) > * the dates and cardfile servers (probably need some little changes > and they should benefit from new techs such as HTTP authentication) > * some way to serve screen shots > * the tracker client of course > > The big thing I would like to discuss with you is the Note-posting > capability and forum-like (or guest-book like) feature. I have > several ideas, but maybe I should listen from your suggestions first. > > Paul ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:42:32 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson >Just a thought I had under the shower (why would I take showers if I >hadn't crazy thoughts there?). Crazy thoughts? Not likely. You must have some spare time coming up, Paul. Your Newton-based activity level has popped up again. >NPDS 3 will not simply be a new kernel. It should be a real >improvement of NPDS, more personal and easier to use. Yes. Oh, yes. >It could come with a set of themes (css, templates) of personal data server >i.e. new user would just have to install the various packages, do a >quick setup of the server (port, admin password, name & other tracker >client information), choose a theme and the Newton will automatically >serve pages according to this theme. Of course, it has to be >gorgious, follow W3C standards and readable with Newtscape/NetHopper. I am liking where this is heading. Online weblogging and self-publishing products like Blogger, Movable Type, and Radio Userland work this way. All of them have the capability of using predesigned themes or custom user-defined ones, which can be selected on the fly. Radio Userland, in fact, also operates as a local HTTP server as well, so you can see exactly what you're going to get once the site is published. Creating a set of page templates (perhaps identifying and separating out common page elements such as headers, footers, navigation bars, copyright notices, etc. into individual include files), style sheets, and associated graphic files would be a fairly easy task. Making sure that they validate in terms of W3C HTML (or XHTML) and CSS, would be a given. I would be willing to create several base templates and themes for the project. First of all, I would need to document all of the various types of templates required (error pages vs. content display pages; CardServ vs. NoteServ pages; posting forms, confirmation notices, etc.) I don't suppose that there is any documentation of what pages currently get generated by NPDS is there? Of course, if we're redeveloping the entire base of NPDS services and functions, then the page and template list will be different. >A theme would be a set of css, template files & pictures giving a >style to the server. For example I thought there could be one making >the server look like a Newton (with the NotePad decoration and so on). Paul, is there going to be any issue with NPDS 3.0 serving up multiple files from the soup for a given page? Potentially, there could be a dozen or two file associated with any given theme-based page served up. Just wondering. >If you think it's a good idea, are there any volunteering & talented >webdesigners wishing to make some static pseudo-NPDS server following >a given theme? Hello. Let me introduce myself... :) >I guess that we need: >* some functionality like the pager (the pager has to be entirely >redesigned, for example it should store pages in a soup and open >itself automatically after a restart if it wasn't closed) >Maybe the pager soup could simply be In/OutBox? I don't use the pager very much, but I suppose I would if some changes were made. That being said, I'd like to see a larger Newton-side interface for one. Again, I like the idea of using the In/Out box as the interface to the pager soup. It just seems that many of the NPDS components maintain their own way of handling files and content. The more of these that can be combined into the common system wide interfaces such as Notes or In/Out, the better. >* some functionality to simply serve pages (from the >NotePad/NewtWorks), with inline graphics (so you can serve very >simply a note) Is there any way we can improve the way NPDS distinguishes between a plain text (or lightly styled, like bolded or sized text...) note from one that contains pure HTML content? Specifically, I guess I'm interested to see how intelligent NPDS can be in terms of parsing the content of a note and how it wraps that content in a template. Does this make sense? >* the dates and cardfile servers (probably need some little changes >and they should benefit from new techs such as HTTP authentication) Authentication would be useful for allowing the admin to control server functions or plug-in prefs. I like the idea of a web-based remote admin system for all components of the server. >* some way to serve screen shots No argument here. How about live-streaming animated gifs? :) >The big thing I would like to discuss with you is the Note-posting >capability and forum-like (or guest-book like) feature. I have >several ideas, but maybe I should listen from your suggestions first. I would be interested specifically in different ways of displaying the posted notes. Sort order, with time stamping, number of posts listed using the SSI tag, etc. Being able to thread a series of posts, or at having a reply to a post directly linked to the original somehow would be useful. Here's a couple other things to consider: * server logging and reporting * integration of NPDS Watcher * web-based binary file uploading * Notes folder browser Whew. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:00:39 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure >Creating a set of page templates (perhaps identifying and separating out >common page elements such as headers, footers, navigation bars, copyright >notices, etc. into individual include files), style sheets, and >associated graphic files would be a fairly easy task. Making sure that >they validate in terms of W3C HTML (or XHTML) and CSS, would be a given. Once again, Grant, I have to take the dictionary to learn a new expression you're using. Except that this time, I did not find anything into any of my dicts. What do you mean "[It] would be a given."? Maybe something is missing there? (BTW, I quite enjoy having to learn new expressions). >I would be willing to create several base templates and themes for the >project. First of all, I would need to document all of the various types >of templates required (error pages vs. content display pages; CardServ >vs. NoteServ pages; posting forms, confirmation notices, etc.) I don't >suppose that there is any documentation of what pages currently get >generated by NPDS is there? Of course, if we're redeveloping the entire >base of NPDS services and functions, then the page and template list will >be different. I thought that we could work together on this. I mean, we could all say what kind of interface we want from the features (hence my list that you completed & commented). >Paul, is there going to be any issue with NPDS 3.0 serving up multiple >files from the soup for a given page? Potentially, there could be a dozen >or two file associated with any given theme-based page served up. Just >wondering. Why are you talking about files? And what kind of problems could there be? I guess you mean something like: "is it possible to make several soup requests to send a single resource over HTTP?" the answer is it is technically what NPDS already does in some cases (for example when it displays the list of notes, it makes a query on the Note soup and then iterates on the results to display the list). >Hello. Let me introduce myself... :) Do you have some kind of reference? ;) I think that there are other web designer professional with a NPDS server and talented amateurs. I am probably the worst HTML coder on this list, that's why I'm looking for talents ;) >I don't use the pager very much, but I suppose I would if some changes >were made. That being said, I'd like to see a larger Newton-side >interface for one. Again, I like the idea of using the In/Out box as the >interface to the pager soup. It just seems that many of the NPDS >components maintain their own way of handling files and content. The more >of these that can be combined into the common system wide interfaces such >as Notes or In/Out, the better. The In/Out idea was actually Nicolas Zinovieff's. >Is there any way we can improve the way NPDS distinguishes between a >plain text (or lightly styled, like bolded or sized text...) note from >one that contains pure HTML content? Of course. This should be linked with a clear Notes-serving/HTML-serving/Templates/Admin-notes-editing/Bulletin-board policy. It is currently quite a mess, so ideas are welcome. Especially something allowing us to distinguish between a post and a note from the NotePad interface (maybe using the routing button or something, ideas are welcome and encouraged). >Specifically, I guess I'm interested >to see how intelligent NPDS can be in terms of parsing the content of a >note and how it wraps that content in a template. Does this make sense? It fits what I've been thinking about. I don't have any clear solution yet, but there is work to be done for sure. >Authentication would be useful for allowing the admin to control server >functions or plug-in prefs. I like the idea of a web-based remote admin >system for all components of the server. Sounds great, doesn't it? BTW, I can see two not-too-boring ways to communicate dreams of a software. Designing mockups (such as pseudo-static NPDS websites I was talking about) and drafting documentation. Both are easy to use for the coding process. Of course, we can also draft specifications if you prefer it the more-official way. > >* some way to serve screen shots > >No argument here. How about live-streaming animated gifs? :) Let's put it at the bottom of the list after Victor's idea of a RGB & HSV sliders ;) >I would be interested specifically in different ways of displaying the >posted notes. Sort order, with time stamping, number of posts listed >using the SSI tag, etc. BTW, about SSIs (and it's linked to your request). One of the great weaknesses of SSIs I guess is the fact that they can't take arguments. No-one uses the "unused" argument in their scripts, don't you? (I also thought of inline NewtonScript directly in page for server-side code). >Being able to thread a series of posts, or at >having a reply to a post directly linked to the original somehow would be >useful. It's what I call Bulletin Board-feature. I think that we all see the Notes-posting capability this way, don't we? >* server logging and reporting Oh yeah, I forgot this part. One of the thing that isn't reliable on the current hacked version, and that will be very easy to add with the new kernel. >* integration of NPDS Watcher What do you mean? >* web-based binary file uploading FTP server? >* Notes folder browser Just like showing index? Nice idea. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:02:31 -0700 From: "Grant [Lint Trap] Hutchinson" >>Creating a set of page templates (perhaps identifying and separating out >>common page elements such as headers, footers, navigation bars, copyright >>notices, etc. into individual include files), style sheets, and >>associated graphic files would be a fairly easy task. Making sure that >>they validate in terms of W3C HTML (or XHTML) and CSS, would be a given. > >Once again, Grant, I have to take the dictionary to learn a new >expression you're using. Except that this time, I did not find >anything into any of my dicts. What do you mean "[It] would be a >given."? Maybe something is missing there? Sorry about that. I keep forgetting that I need to try to write without using as many English mannerisms as I usually do. "[It] would be a given." basically means that it "would be assumed" that this is the way we would do it. In other words, I would assume that we would make all of the HTML and CSS valid according to the W3C standards. >>I would be willing to create several base templates and themes for the >>project. First of all, I would need to document all of the various types >>of templates required (error pages vs. content display pages; CardServ >>vs. NoteServ pages; posting forms, confirmation notices, etc.) I don't >>suppose that there is any documentation of what pages currently get >>generated by NPDS is there? Of course, if we're redeveloping the entire >>base of NPDS services and functions, then the page and template list will >>be different. > >I thought that we could work together on this. I mean, we could all >say what kind of interface we want from the features (hence my list >that you completed & commented). Agreed. >>Paul, is there going to be any issue with NPDS 3.0 serving up multiple >>files from the soup for a given page? Potentially, there could be a dozen >>or two file associated with any given theme-based page served up. Just >>wondering. > >Why are you talking about files? >And what kind of problems could there be? > >I guess you mean something like: "is it possible to make several soup >requests to send a single resource over HTTP?" the answer is it is >technically what NPDS already does in some cases (for example when it >displays the list of notes, it makes a query on the Note soup and >then iterates on the results to display the list). Yes, this is what I meant. I guess I shouldn't have used the term "files", but instead the term "requests". I was concerned whether or not NPDS could actually serve a single web page that consisted of several (and possibly dozens) or separate images and other bits from the soup. >>Hello. Let me introduce myself... :) > >Do you have some kind of reference? ;) Sorry, no reference. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I was interested in this part of the development. >I think that there are other web designer professional with a NPDS >server and talented amateurs. I am probably the worst HTML coder on >this list, that's why I'm looking for talents ;) Oh, I'm sure a few people would pop out of the woodwork. Perhaps Andreas Linkvist could help out in this manner. >>Is there any way we can improve the way NPDS distinguishes between a >>plain text (or lightly styled, like bolded or sized text...) note from >>one that contains pure HTML content? > >Of course. This should be linked with a clear >Notes-serving/HTML-serving/Templates/Admin-notes-editing/Bulletin-board >policy. >It is currently quite a mess, so ideas are welcome. Especially >something allowing us to distinguish between a post and a note from >the NotePad interface (maybe using the routing button or something, >ideas are welcome and encouraged). I think about this further. >>Specifically, I guess I'm interested to see how intelligent NPDS can be >>in terms of parsing the content of a note and how it wraps that content >>in a template. Does this make sense? > >It fits what I've been thinking about. I don't have any clear >solution yet, but there is work to be done for sure. Good. We're thinking about the same thing. >BTW, I can see two not-too-boring ways to communicate dreams of a >software. Designing mockups (such as pseudo-static NPDS websites I >was talking about) and drafting documentation. Both are easy to use >for the coding process. Of course, we can also draft specifications >if you prefer it the more-official way. In regards to "pseudo-static NPDS websites", do you mean building mockup pages and serving them on an NPDS server? Or just on any server so they approximately what we would like the future of NPDS to be? >>>* some way to serve screen shots >> >>No argument here. How about live-streaming animated gifs? :) > >Let's put it at the bottom of the list after Victor's idea of a RGB & >HSV sliders ;) Ha! >>I would be interested specifically in different ways of displaying the >>posted notes. Sort order, with time stamping, number of posts listed >>using the SSI tag, etc. > >BTW, about SSIs (and it's linked to your request). One of the great >weaknesses of SSIs I guess is the fact that they can't take >arguments. No-one uses the "unused" argument in their scripts, don't >you? (I also thought of inline NewtonScript directly in page for >server-side code). Ooh, I feel like there's going to be a lot of documentation to describe how to do this... >>Being able to thread a series of posts, or at >>having a reply to a post directly linked to the original somehow would be >>useful. > >It's what I call Bulletin Board-feature. I think that we all see the >Notes-posting capability this way, don't we? Yes. >>* server logging and reporting > >Oh yeah, I forgot this part. One of the thing that isn't reliable on >the current hacked version, and that will be very easy to add with >the new kernel. Lovely. >>* integration of NPDS Watcher > >What do you mean? Well, I am going to assume that the new NPDS will be more stable and robust than the current version. This would make it less necessary to have something like NPDS Watcher monitoring the process and restarting the Newton when thing go wrong. However, if such a monitor is deemed to be a requirement, why can't we build some sort of auto-restart mechanism into the NPDS package itself? I'm just asking a question. There may be several reason why this is a dumb idea. >>* web-based binary file uploading > >FTP server? I suppose that would be the most logical way of looking at it. Being able to upload a binary file (sound, package, image, whatever...) using an authenticated web interface would be useful. >>* Notes folder browser > >Just like showing index? Nice idea. That's what I was thinking. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:17:02 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure From: Josh Burker On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 02:05 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > > What do you think? > All the ideas about the next incarnation of NPDS have sounded great to me. I will be happy to help with the documentation. Josh Burker ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #4 ************************ From ???@??? Thu Feb 14 06:56:22 2002 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:12:07 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #5 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 13 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 005 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:14:24 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure From: John Skinner I like the all comments so far and would like to add a few to the discussion. (sorry if it's long, I got carried away) Yes I agree on: File uploading/downloading, Bulletin Board style threaded note posting/reading. And these... ----- (1.) LAYOUT: I really like the idea of having some sort of Page templates or themes. We could have reference to the different "Themes" in the documentation (pdf?) with little pictures so one could see/predict the layout (without; having to change it, browse to it from an external browser and look, and back and forth). It seems it would make more sense to have them be CSS so they would be incorporated into every page that is viewed from the NPDS server. Like on Grant's page with his navigation bar at the top, or Paul's NPDS server now, he has the Newton logo .gif file as a background on (I think) every page. It doesn't have to be CSS, but some similar principle. This would help to give continuity to the site if it were on every page. It would be nice to have it done in frames, but then we would be excluding browsing to it from Newton browsers like NetHopper/Newt's Cape wouldn't we? If we used frames, we could have it load like a navigation bar into one frame on first load, then only load following pages in the main window. Maybe this could be done somehow with CSS though, I don't know. Thoughts? NOTE: I'm a novice web designer, but I would be willing to make a couple of simple "Themes"! ----- (2.) WEBPAGER: I also agree on storing the received pages into somewhere like the In/Out store. I also agree with Grant that the interface should be bigger. Maybe full screen even. I know that in a older version number of the WebPager, you could reply directly to a page (from someone that sent it from a Newton running NPDS) by tapping on the little button that looks like a Newton. The only awkward part of this was that it had to open NetHopper and download the senders "WebPager" page from their NPDS server. I know it seems like a lot, but it would be nice if it could operate similar to AOL's Instant Messenger or other chat program. Instead of loading the web page of the sender's "WebPager" in a browser, maybe the reply could be composed in a new, different frame of the WebPager window. Then it could be sent directly to the sender's WebPager program. Thoughts? ----- (3.) REMOTE ADMIN: (To re-enable) The ability to post to any directory, not just the default "Whiteboard" area. Right now you can remotely shutdown the NPDS server. It would be nice if you could also reboot your Newton remotely. Maybe by somehow triggering some NewtScript to have NPDS Watcher to do it. (4.) REBOOTING: I think all of us would like to have the option to have all of NPDS start minimized in the "Star" menu upon reboot. (Speaking of this; Hey Grant, let me know if you ever get that "CardCloser" to work on Newton OS 2.x) Reading what Grant said about having a web-based remote admin system: THIS IS A LONG SHOT, but it might be possible with a modified Steve Weyer's NewtVNC! Right now, the two things stopping us are: In the current version there is no JAVA web-based connection to the server like in the real VNC, and the server mode only listens for a connection for a handful of seconds. We could ask Steve if it would be possible to put the JAVA web interface in a version or as an add-on to WABA. Then (getting longer and longer...) we could have a link on the current Admin page that would trigger a NewtScript to tell NewtVNC to listen for a connection. I realize after writing this that this will be on the bottom of the list, ha ha. P.S. I got my best geek friend Newtonized and the two of us are learning NewtonScript to help the Newton Community! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:06:20 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure À (At) 16:02 -0700 12/02/02, Grant [Lint Trap] Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >Sorry about that. I keep forgetting that I need to try to write without >using as many English mannerisms as I usually do. Actually, if you're writing to me, it's just fine (and this list is officially English-speaking). >Yes, this is what I meant. I guess I shouldn't have used the term >"files", but instead the term "requests". I was concerned whether or not >NPDS could actually serve a single web page that consisted of several >(and possibly dozens) or separate images and other bits from the soup. This is not at all a problem, you can trust me. >Sorry, no reference. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I >was interested in this part of the development. I thought you were a professional web designer. >In regards to "pseudo-static NPDS websites", do you mean building mockup >pages and serving them on an NPDS server? Or just on any server so they >approximately what we would like the future of NPDS to be? On any server. In a nutshell, let's dream folks ;) >Ooh, I feel like there's going to be a lot of documentation to describe >how to do this... Probably. But a new interface would definitely make easy to implement the domain SSI for Paul Filmer. >Well, I am going to assume that the new NPDS will be more stable and >robust than the current version. This would make it less necessary to >have something like NPDS Watcher monitoring the process and restarting >the Newton when thing go wrong. However, if such a monitor is deemed to >be a requirement, why can't we build some sort of auto-restart mechanism >into the NPDS package itself? I'm just asking a question. There may be >several reason why this is a dumb idea. Indeed, we need a watcher, especially considering that other things could bring the server down. I am not sure it has to be specifically included into the server, although it's not really a module but rather a function. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:28:40 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure À (At) 3:14 -0600 13/02/02, John Skinner écrivait (wrote) : >We could have reference to the different "Themes" in the documentation >(pdf?) with little pictures so one could see/predict the layout (without; >having to change it, browse to it from an external browser and look, and >back and forth). Of course ;) >It would be nice to have it done in frames, but then we would be excluding >browsing to it from Newton browsers like NetHopper/Newt's Cape wouldn't we? Actually, I'm not very fond of frames as they're (a) not supported by many browsers including NetHopper/Newt's Cape and (b) apparently dropped with HTML 4.0. >Maybe this could be done somehow with CSS though, I don't know. This and many other things can be done with CSS. I'm just an amateur HTML coder and more interested in the languages than the visual aspects of things, but as I see it, CSS is a way to have the thing look nice under modern browsers (supporting CSS, basically) and keep the thing readable in Lynx/NetHopper/Newt's Cape & Co. >I also agree with Grant that the interface should be bigger. Maybe full >screen even. So should be the script editor (it's a pain when you try to write cgis during university naps on databases). >I know that in a older version number of the WebPager, you could reply >directly to a page (from someone that sent it from a Newton running NPDS) by >tapping on the little button that looks like a Newton. The only awkward part >of this was that it had to open NetHopper and download the senders >"WebPager" page from their NPDS server. You can still do it. What it opens depends on which browser are installed, but I agree that there should be an included way to answer as you describe it. >(4.) REBOOTING: I think all of us would like to have the option to have all >of NPDS start minimized in the "Star" menu upon reboot. Alright, alright. >Reading what Grant said about having a web-based remote admin system: THIS >IS A LONG SHOT, but it might be possible with a modified Steve Weyer's >NewtVNC! Right now, the two things stopping us are: In the current version >there is no JAVA web-based connection to the server like in the real VNC, >and the server mode only listens for a connection for a handful of seconds. >We could ask Steve if it would be possible to put the JAVA web interface in >a version or as an add-on to WABA. Then (getting longer and longer...) we >could have a link on the current Admin page that would trigger a NewtScript >to tell NewtVNC to listen for a connection. I realize after writing this >that this will be on the bottom of the list, ha ha. Er, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're thinking about. You want to trigger VNC from NPDS? (there is no need for any line of Java there) Trigger NPDS from VNC? (neither) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:04:28 -0700 From: "Grant [Lint Trap] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Yes, this is what I meant. I guess I shouldn't have used the term >>"files", but instead the term "requests". I was concerned whether or not >>NPDS could actually serve a single web page that consisted of several >>(and possibly dozens) or separate images and other bits from the soup. > >This is not at all a problem, you can trust me. Excellent. This makes the develop of themes extremely flexible. Not that I would encourage overdoing the design of a theme just for the sake of the design. We will still need to consider the file size of the various components that make up a theme. The less bloated we get, the better. >>Sorry, no reference. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I >>was interested in this part of the development. > >I thought you were a professional web designer. Erm. Yes. I am. I guess I was being a bit too indirect. In fact it was a reference to my ability to create web -based designs. Sign me up! >>In regards to "pseudo-static NPDS websites", do you mean building mockup >>pages and serving them on an NPDS server? Or just on any server so they >>approximately what we would like the future of NPDS to be? > >On any server. In a nutshell, let's dream folks ;) I understand now. This method certainly makes it easier to prototype ideas. >>Ooh, I feel like there's going to be a lot of documentation to describe >>how to do this... > >Probably. But a new interface would definitely make easy to implement >the domain SSI for Paul Filmer. Let me see if I understand this. We would be getting rid of the concept of the script editor to create custom SSI tags, by replacing it with the ability to have NPDS parse and execute the NS code directly from the HTML (or noteserved pages). Is this correct? >>Well, I am going to assume that the new NPDS will be more stable and >>robust than the current version. This would make it less necessary to >>have something like NPDS Watcher monitoring the process and restarting >>the Newton when thing go wrong. However, if such a monitor is deemed to >>be a requirement, why can't we build some sort of auto-restart mechanism >>into the NPDS package itself? I'm just asking a question. There may be >>several reason why this is a dumb idea. > >Indeed, we need a watcher, especially considering that other things >could bring the server down. I am not sure it has to be specifically >included into the server, although it's not really a module but >rather a function. Now I've got it. I guess I was just curious to see if their were any benefits or efficiencies to combined the Watcher with another component of NPDS. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:16:59 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Paul Guyot wrote: Er, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're thinking about. You want to trigger VNC from NPDS? (there is no need for any line of Java there) Trigger NPDS from VNC? (neither) I'll try to explain better Paul. JAVA... The regular VNC software that you get for Windows, Mac, Linux and other OSs has a JAVA web browser interface incorporated into it, allowing one to access the VNC server from a standard JAVA enabled web browser. Otherwise, the only way to connect to a VNC server is by downloading and installing a OS specific VNC client on your computer. Right now, the only way to connect to NewtVNC is by using standard VNC client software. In order for NewtVNC to be able to accept incomming connections from a WEB BROWSER instead of a VNC client, there would have to be the JAVA based web browser interface added to NewtVNC. Triggering...... The current NewtVNC has a "listen" button to start to listen for incomming connections, but it times-out after about 15 seconds. So, you can't have your NewtVNC in server mode all day waiting for connections. I thought that maybe we could incorporate a link into a web page served by NPDS, that could somehow make the NewtVNC program start to listenfor a connection. Then, when you try to connect to it right after clicking this link, you would be within the timeout period and be able to connect. Do any of these ramblings make it more clear, or did I just complicate it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:26:52 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure From: Matt Vaughn I've been following this thread closely but haven't had time to reply. However, I saw something that made me cringe and had to put in mi dos centavos. >> > > Let me see if I understand this. We would be getting rid of the concept > of the script editor to create custom SSI tags, by replacing it with the > ability to have NPDS parse and execute the NS code directly from the HTML > (or noteserved pages). Is this correct? I considered and rejected inline newtonscript at one point since not too many users of NPDS could write Newtonscript, and in fact, I even had a rough extension to Notepad Server that could run arbitrary Newtonscript posted from the web, so it can be done. I was considering using it as some sort of remote administration tool. Anyway, if you implement inline execution, you need a tight security policy with this. Otherwise, I could post a note containing RATHER malicious Newtonscript and your Newton could be rendered nearly unusable. The big problem is that everything runs with full read-write-execute permissions in the Newtonscript environment. You need to be REALLY sure that nothing can slip in from outside to sabotage your machine. All this said, I think it's a great idea, provided it's properly implemented. Another thing is that passing variables to server side includes CAN be done. I simply was too lazy to write the parser that would take the SSI tag, parse out the variable(s), and pass them to the script. However, it can be done. The unused variable that's in every NPDS SSI function declaration is required by the onboard NS compiler (for some arcane reason), but it doesn't have to be unused, it just has to be in the function declaration, Actually, if I remember correctly, you can even have more than one variable in that declaration, but there has to be at least one. Also, the SSI code can be modified so that it functions outside a page, acting more like a CGI. If I remember right, there's a tag in the SSI soup for the "name" of the SSI. If someone had time, he could write a wrapper that would be able to call the SSI function as an executable, knowing the name of the SSI. Thus, you could do things like http://my.npds.com/cgi-bin/ MySpecialScript and return a full dynamically generated page. I also agree with Paul's assertion that the interface for Script Editor needs to be revised. It fits nicely on my old MP130 but not on your fancy MP2x00 screens. Oh man, you guys are making me hanker to get out my old Newt and start coding for it again (now that I have a job and a degree) Cheers, Matt -- Matthew W. Vaughn, Ph.D. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory 1 Bungtown Road Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724 "Plant hackers have root access!" ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:42:38 -0500 > >>* integration of NPDS Watcher > > > >What do you mean? > > Well, I am going to assume that the new NPDS will be more stable and > robust than the current version. This would make it less necessary to > have something like NPDS Watcher monitoring the process and restarting > the Newton when thing go wrong. However, if such a monitor is deemed to > be a requirement, why can't we build some sort of auto-restart mechanism > into the NPDS package itself? I'm just asking a question. There may be > several reason why this is a dumb idea. > I'll chime in here -- despite the beauty of the Watcher (..beholder?), it still seems to defeat my server, and as soon as I leave, something crashes it, and it often restarts without establishing a connection. So there it sits, thinking it is connected, and since there are no queries, it never resets again, and I find it the next time I am in the office in this unconnected, but ever-so-ready to serve state. My work-around is a simple Stop-Start cycle (which also sometimes requires a "Connect" tap), which I would love to be able to do automatically from within Watcher or whatever it evolves to. ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:45:58 -0700 From: "Grant [Lint Trap] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>It would be nice to have it done in frames, but then we would be excluding >>browsing to it from Newton browsers like NetHopper/Newt's Cape wouldn't we? > >Actually, I'm not very fond of frames as they're (a) not supported by >many browsers including NetHopper/Newt's Cape and (b) apparently >dropped with HTML 4.0. I certainly understand John's point about making the web pages refresh or change faster by minimizing the amount of content reloading by using frames. However, this kind of efficiency offered by frames is rather misplaced. Since you are actually loading more HTML with a frames based interface than than single page design, you end up sending more data to the client at any given time. For a design the has a navbar, main content area, and perhaps a footer - the client actually has to request four html pages including the frameset wrapper in order to display the page. Oof! To Paul's point, as far as I can determine, the W3C has not dropped frames as part of either the current HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 recommendations. >>Maybe this could be done somehow with CSS though, I don't know. > >This and many other things can be done with CSS. >I'm just an amateur HTML coder and more interested in the languages >than the visual aspects of things, but as I see it, CSS is a way to >have the thing look nice under modern browsers (supporting CSS, >basically) and keep the thing readable in Lynx/NetHopper/Newt's Cape >& Co. Amen. Let's spread the word to the masses. >>I know that in a older version number of the WebPager, you could reply >>directly to a page (from someone that sent it from a Newton running NPDS) by >>tapping on the little button that looks like a Newton. The only awkward part >>of this was that it had to open NetHopper and download the senders >>"WebPager" page from their NPDS server. > >You can still do it. What it opens depends on which browser are >installed, but I agree that there should be an included way to answer >as you describe it. Is there anything we could do using server push from NPDS (or the pager component) back to the desktop browser to refresh the web page with the response? Maybe this is too complex for discussion right now. >>(4.) REBOOTING: I think all of us would like to have the option to have all >>of NPDS start minimized in the "Star" menu upon reboot. > >Alright, alright. And Paul caves in to public pressure. ;) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:51:17 -0700 From: "Grant [Lint Trap] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Matt Vaughn typed vigorously: >I also agree with Paul's assertion that the interface for Script Editor >needs to be revised. It fits nicely on my old MP130 but not on your fancy >MP2x00 screens. Oh man, you guys are making me hanker to get out my old >Newt and start coding for it again (now that I have a job and a degree) Matt, if you're serious about getting back into the game, I'd be willing to send you one of my extra "lightly-used and previously loved..." MP2100s for you to mess around with. Free. Gratis. No money down. Let me know if this sounds like something you'd want to do. It'd be great to have back on the front lines and contributing to the code again. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:56:43 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure >Let me see if I understand this. We would be getting rid of the concept >of the script editor to create custom SSI tags, by replacing it with the >ability to have NPDS parse and execute the NS code directly from the HTML >(or noteserved pages). Is this correct? Actually, I thought about having both systems. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:58:24 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure >In order for NewtVNC to be able to accept incomming connections from >a WEB BROWSER instead of a VNC client, there would have to be the >JAVA based web browser interface added to NewtVNC. I see. This is rather part of VNC than NPDS. >Then, when you try to connect to it right after clicking this link, >you would be within the timeout period and be able to connect. This can be done with a simple SSI with NPDS 2.x. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:00:37 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure >I considered and rejected inline newtonscript at one point since not >too many users of NPDS could write Newtonscript, and in fact, I even >had a rough extension to Notepad Server that could run arbitrary >Newtonscript posted from the web, so it can be done. I was >considering using it as some sort of remote administration tool. >Anyway, if you implement inline execution, you need a tight security >policy with this. Otherwise, I could post a note containing RATHER >malicious Newtonscript and your Newton could be rendered nearly >unusable. The big problem is that everything runs with full >read-write-execute permissions in the Newtonscript environment. You >need to be REALLY sure that nothing can slip in from outside to >sabotage your machine. Of course, inline NewtonScript is subject to a clear definition of what is a posted note and what is not. >Another thing is that passing variables to server side includes CAN >be done. I simply was too lazy to write the parser that would take >the SSI tag, parse out the variable(s), and pass them to the script. >However, it can be done. The unused variable that's in every NPDS >SSI function declaration is required by the onboard NS compiler (for >some arcane reason), I can't see where, but I trust you. >but it doesn't have to be unused, it just has to be in the function >declaration It is currently some NPDS-core frame that is passed as the argument. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:08:31 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3: themes and structure >To Paul's point, as far as I can determine, the W3C has not dropped >frames as part of either the current HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 >recommendations. Actually, I deduced this from the division in three DTDs, strict, transitional and frameset in this order. But I can't find any statement of the W3C saying that they consider frames obsoletes. >Is there anything we could do using server push from NPDS (or the pager >component) back to the desktop browser to refresh the web page with the >response? Maybe this is too complex for discussion right now. Actually, this can only be done by not closing the connection, and only with browsers supporting it. Or with some Java applet. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #5 ************************ From ???@??? Thu Feb 21 09:35:36 2002 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:12:11 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #6 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 20 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 006 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] NPDS UNI Branch Update Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:54:07 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson I discovered a couple of updates to Yoichi Takezawa's UNI branch of the NPDS project. First off, his site has moved and the link on the main NPDS branch page is 404. The new url is: http://homepage.mac.com/yoichy/npdsu.html And speaking of features to add to NPDS 3.0, some of the things I found while digging around on Yoichi's page (and through his source code) were mentions of new NotePad Server features called NamesPoster and WorksPoster. NamesPoster lets you post new information to the Names application (as you can see from the screenshot on the above page) and I assume that WorksPoster does the same for NewtonWorks. Very interesting. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #6 ************************ From ???@??? Fri Feb 22 06:59:59 2002 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:12:14 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #7 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 21 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 007 In This Issue: [NPDS] Odd pseudo-crash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Odd pseudo-crash Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:04:50 -0500 Every so often I get the NPDS Watcher's NS Task dead warning sound, and it usually results in a reboot. However, every once in a while, I get the tones and then no reboot, simply the floater asking me if I want to reboot. Sometimes I'm here to respond, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes the server still works, sometimes not. Very odd. Here's a screenshot (which I got via NPDS, which obviously was still working...) http://newted.dyndns.org/users/pfilmer/NPDScrash.GIF Dang that green is ugly on a PC, compared to a Mac... Paul F. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #7 ************************ From ???@??? Sat Feb 23 11:01:15 2002 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:12:09 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #8 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 22 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 008 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 19:20:38 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Every so often I get the NPDS Watcher's NS Task dead warning sound, and it >usually results in a reboot. However, every once in a while, I get the >tones and then no reboot, simply the floater asking me if I want to reboot. >Sometimes I'm here to respond, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes the server >still works, sometimes not. Very odd. Hmmm. I've never run into this particular situation. What prefs settings are you using for the watcher? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:18:40 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash >Every so often I get the NPDS Watcher's NS Task dead warning sound, and it >usually results in a reboot. However, every once in a while, I get the >tones and then no reboot, simply the floater asking me if I want to reboot. >Sometimes I'm here to respond, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes the server >still works, sometimes not. Very odd. OK. First, there is a need for some precisions. There is no such thing as the NPDS Watcher's NS Task. There is: * the NS Task watcher. * the rest. The NS Task watcher basically checks that the NewtonScript task is alive. It runs as a separated task (using NewtonOS preemptive multithreading) and if the NewtonScript task died or isn't responsive enough (i.e. it hasn't heard of it for too long), it reboots without any confirmation or sound (since the confirmation & sound are generated from the NewtonScript task). You can enable or disable it independently from the rest. The rest belongs to NewtonScript task and basically does a series of tests including: - check that there isn't a dialog saying that the server died - check that a software cannot listen on the port the NPDS server is supposed to listen. The problem you experienced is linked with the latter. The watcher succeeded to listen on this port because when a connection arrives, NPDS cannot re-listen immediatly (a limitation of NewtonOS TCP/IP stack I guess). There is some gap which is huged compared to a TCP/IP packet and small compared to NewtonScript. I made some tests by calling lynx repeatedly in a bash script, and it's terrific to see that the Newton can only handle a very small part of the incoming requests. Anyway, what happened here is that the watcher succeeded in getting into this little window, although NPDS was still up. Hence the situation. Of course, when we worked on the watcher, I precisely remember that we thought this could arrive, but not too often to be noticed as this window is rather small. Paul, once again you proved me wrong ;) >Dang that green is ugly on a PC, compared to a Mac... Umm, can't PCs display pictures in thousands or millions of colors? Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #8 ************************ From ???@??? Sun Feb 24 08:44:12 2002 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #9 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 23 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 009 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:21:10 -0700 From: "Grant [Apple Mechanic] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Dang that green is ugly on a PC, compared to a Mac... > >Umm, can't PCs display pictures in thousands or millions of colors? Yes, but the gamma of the displays are different between Mac and Windows, so even though both machines may be able to display the same number of colours, the PC will show the colours using a different default tonal range. Essentially, without software-based colour management software, PCs display colours more harshly and with more contrast than Macs. At least by my opinion. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:33:40 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash >Yes, but the gamma of the displays are different between Mac and Windows, >so even though both machines may be able to display the same number of >colours, the PC will show the colours using a different default tonal >range. Essentially, without software-based colour management software, >PCs display colours more harshly and with more contrast than Macs. At >least by my opinion. Oh, I forgot this problem of gamma correction. Maybe we should serve the colors differently depending on the client's OS? :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newt.dyndns.org:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #9 ************************ From ???@??? Tue Feb 26 05:17:56 2002 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:12:06 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #10 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 25 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 010 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Odd pseudo-crash Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:09:25 -0700 From: "Grant [Apple Mechanic] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Oh, I forgot this problem of gamma correction. Maybe we should serve >the colors differently depending on the client's OS? :) Maybe we should simply serve up a "Buy a Mac" graphic instead of a screen dump for Windows users... ;) Sorry. That was a cheap shot. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #10 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Mar 01 03:20:28 2002 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:12:12 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #11 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 28 Feb 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 011 In This Issue: [NPDS] [BUG] Prefs in NPDS 2.x [NPDS] Re: [BUG] Prefs in NPDS 2.x ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:51:07 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [BUG] Prefs in NPDS 2.x Hi all, I've just noticed a bug when iterating thru my system soup. NPDS leaves one preferences soup entry per version apparently (at least the NotePad server). So for those who have been having weird problems (John?) this might be an explanation. Paul -- Looking for time. Please make an offer. Serious sellers only. No need to ask, I won't trade my soul, I don't have any. ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [BUG] Prefs in NPDS 2.x Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:18:12 -0700 From: "Grant [Mistaken] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've just noticed a bug when iterating thru my system soup. NPDS >leaves one preferences soup entry per version apparently (at least >the NotePad server). So for those who have been having weird problems >(John?) this might be an explanation. Is the best solution to this to delete the pHTML:MAVON preferences soup using Prefs Cleaner (or similar) and then reset your settings in NoteServ? Could this be why my main NoteServ Folder and the Posts Folder settings always revert back to another folder when I've installed newer versions of the package? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:56:01 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [BUG] Prefs in NPDS 2.x À (At) 9:18 -0700 28/02/02, Grant [Mistaken] Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >Is the best solution to this to delete the pHTML:MAVON preferences soup >using Prefs Cleaner (or similar) and then reset your settings in >NoteServ? Could this be why my main NoteServ Folder and the Posts Folder >settings always revert back to another folder when I've installed newer >versions of the package? I noticed that it's true for every package. But I haven't analyzed further yet (since I no longer go to boring classes, I have less time to investigate this kind of problems). I think that which preferences entry is returned is deterministic. But there could be some conflict. The reason why settings revert back to other folders when you upgrade isn't linked with this phenomenon directly. It's a kind of feature of the NPDS modules preferences to revert to default if the jump in the versions is too big. I think that the bug is there actually, and I'm probably the guilty one because I modified this code to not revert to default settings when we do a big jump. At least, it was I meant to do. Paul -- Looking for time. Please make an offer. Serious sellers only. No need to ask, I won't trade my soul, I don't have any. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #11 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Mar 02 03:14:55 2002 Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 03:12:19 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #12 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 01 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 012 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Happy Birthday to Paul! [NPDS] Re: Another Tracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:19:27 -0800 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Happy Birthday to Paul! >Hey Paul: This is just my excuse to say happy 22nd and thanks for all the fantastic Newton and especially NPDS support! Dale > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" sometimes serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:14:59 +0100 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Happy Birthday to Paul! From: Jan-Eric Kolbe Hi, > This is just my excuse to say happy 22nd and thanks for all the > fantastic Newton and especially NPDS support! Happy birthday from me, too! Great Job! Best wishes, jack. ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Another Tracker Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:07:58 -0700 From: "Grant [Reset Parameters] Hutchinson" Daniel Claessens left me note on my NPDS server that he has started up another iteration of the tracker. The web page says it's running on a Mac too. And it looks like the sharing code runs three ways. That's a good thing, right? http://www.mymacs.net:2110/ g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Another Tracker On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Grant [Reset Parameters] Hutchinson wrote: > Daniel Claessens left me note on my NPDS server that he has started up > another iteration of the tracker. The web page says it's running on a Mac > too. And it looks like the sharing code runs three ways. That's a good > thing, right? > > http://www.mymacs.net:2110/ Actually, AFAIK he's only pulling down shared entries from my server, not shakti as well. So the network is something like: shakti <--> misato --> mymacs Note the directionality of the arrows. I'm not sure where physically his server is, but it seems to be routed through Kansas City... ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #12 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 03 03:24:12 2002 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 03:11:41 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #13 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 02 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 013 In This Issue: [NPDS] Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claessens" Subject: [NPDS] Fw: Re: Another Tracker Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:54:47 -0600 Actually, My location is Nebraska. The route you get when you do a trace route is dependant on your location and internet traffic. Also, the sharing is going something like this: shakti <--> misato --> mymacs or misato <--> shakti --> mymacs I have verified this by turning sharing off to misato, then to shakti turning sharing back on to misato. And I still get updated. Also I have found that I only receive info from misato and shakti for Newtons logged directly to them. For if I share only with shakti I get only a few certain newtons and if I share only with misato I get only a few certain newtons. Nut if I share with both of them I get all the newtons displayed on both shakti and misato. Also, as far as I know the only way the sharing will be like this shakti <--> misato <--> mymacs is if misato and shakti add mymacs to their SLIST. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Rehorst" To: "NPDS" Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: [NPDS] Re: Another Tracker > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Grant [Reset Parameters] Hutchinson wrote: > > > Daniel Claessens left me note on my NPDS server that he has started up > > another iteration of the tracker. The web page says it's running on a Mac > > too. And it looks like the sharing code runs three ways. That's a good > > thing, right? > > > > http://www.mymacs.net:2110/ > > Actually, AFAIK he's only pulling down shared entries from my server, not > shakti as well. So the network is something like: > > shakti <--> misato --> mymacs > > Note the directionality of the arrows. I'm not sure where physically his > server is, but it seems to be routed through Kansas City... > > ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ > ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ > ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- > -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Claessens wrote: > Actually, My location is Nebraska. The route you get when you do a trace > route is dependant on your location and internet traffic. > > Also, the sharing is going something like this: > shakti <--> misato --> mymacs or > misato <--> shakti --> mymacs > > I have verified this by turning sharing off to misato, then to shakti > turning sharing back on to misato. And I still get updated. > Also I have found that I only receive info from misato and shakti for > Newtons logged directly to them. > > For if I share only with shakti I get only a few certain newtons > and if I share only with misato I get only a few certain newtons. > Nut if I share with both of them I get all the newtons displayed on both > shakti and misato. Yeah. I think I wrote it that way because that's the easiest way to ensure that duplicates aren't retrieved. I've added mymacs to the misato tracker's share list in the INI file. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #13 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Mar 05 03:13:08 2002 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 03:12:21 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #14 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 04 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 014 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:07:58 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker Why does Mymacs.net tracker restart? It's the second time I notice it, and this time it doesn't seem to ask shakti and misato about which Newton server it knows. Could the reason be that it is powered by this wonderful thing known as MacOS X? Seriously, you need to set the .ini file properly so both shareEnabled and share lists are set properly. On shakti, I have: shareEnabled = true shareServer = misato.chuma.org 2110 shareServer = www.mymacs.net 2110 (there was a bug for shareEnabled line parsing, I don't recall what are the acceptable values now, but true should work, but anyway, shareEnabled is just to say that your tracker will tell the others which Newtons it knows). So the last time shakti was rebooted (the tape drive used for backups, including NewtonTalk mailing list's, wasn't plugged), the tracker was restarted (it's in rc.d) and it was asking misato (I have added mymacs.net since). BTW, AFAIK, not a single line of NPDS Tracker was written on the US soil. However, part of the coding have been done on a mac running MacOS 9.1 ;) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Paul Guyot wrote: > Why does Mymacs.net tracker restart? It's the second time I notice > it, and this time it doesn't seem to ask shakti and misato about > which Newton server it knows. > Could the reason be that it is powered by this wonderful thing > known as MacOS X? I dunno, but misato's running on a very hacked-up version of RedHat 6.0, we could argue for months which one sucked more... > Seriously, you need to set the .ini file properly so both > shareEnabled and share lists are set properly. > On shakti, I have: > > shareEnabled = true > shareServer = misato.chuma.org 2110 > shareServer = www.mymacs.net 2110 > > (there was a bug for shareEnabled line parsing, I don't recall what > are the acceptable values now, but true should work, but anyway, > shareEnabled is just to say that your tracker will tell the others > which Newtons it knows). There was no bug: I just forgot to specify what port in the ini file, which was causing an error on server start. That's the correct format above. I already setup misato like this and restarted it a few days ago. > BTW, AFAIK, not a single line of NPDS Tracker was written on the US > soil. However, part of the coding have been done on a mac running > MacOS 9.1 ;) And a lot on a PC running SuSE Linux and Windows 2000 :) ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #14 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 06 03:22:30 2002 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:12:15 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #15 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 05 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 015 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 03:16:24 -0600 From: Claessens Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker I apologize for restarting the Mymacs.net server often. I have been playing around with the java code. I went back to the original code and recompiled. I will now do all my tinkering on test machines. sorry for the inconvenience. Paul Guyot wrote: > Why does Mymacs.net tracker restart? It's the second time I notice it, > and this time it doesn't seem to ask shakti and misato about which > Newton server it knows. > Could the reason be that it is powered by this wonderful thing > known as MacOS X? > > Seriously, you need to set the .ini file properly so both shareEnabled > and share lists are set properly. > On shakti, I have: > > shareEnabled = true > shareServer = misato.chuma.org 2110 > shareServer = www.mymacs.net 2110 > > (there was a bug for shareEnabled line parsing, I don't recall what > are the acceptable values now, but true should work, but anyway, > shareEnabled is just to say that your tracker will tell the others > which Newtons it knows). > So the last time shakti was rebooted (the tape drive used for backups, > including NewtonTalk mailing list's, wasn't plugged), the tracker was > restarted (it's in rc.d) and it was asking misato (I have added > mymacs.net since). > > BTW, AFAIK, not a single line of NPDS Tracker was written on the US > soil. However, part of the coding have been done on a mac running > MacOS 9.1 ;) > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:30:52 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker >I apologize for restarting the Mymacs.net server often. I have been >playing around with the java code. I went back to the original code >and recompiled. > >I will now do all my tinkering on test machines. >sorry for the inconvenience. Hey, don't take it this way, it was merely a joke on my side. I was just wondering why it was restarted that often. And please share your improvements to the tracker server! :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #15 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Mar 07 03:17:08 2002 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 03:12:24 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #16 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 06 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 016 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 06:38:27 -0600 From: Claessens Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker I have only made minor improvements so far as I only know a little C and no java. Change 1: I changed the following line: Vector theHosts = new Vector( mHostInfoVector ); to: Vector theHosts = new Vector(); theHosts = mHostInfoVector; I did this so my compiler would compile it for JAVA 1.1.8 It also allows it to run fully under JAVA 1.1.8 Change 2: I changed the following lines that are similar to this: else if (commandline.equals("VTEST")) to: else if (commandline.equals("VTEST") || commandline.equals("vtest")) This allows me to type lowercase commands in the admin tool. Also I added explanations as to what certain commands were looking for: out.print("Add or Delete record?[a/d]: "); Change 3: I changed the following line: String tableStr = "\r\n\r\n"; to: String tableStr = "
ActiveServer NameLast Verified
\r\n\r\n"; This adds a background color to the table. I would like to add the following but i am as of yet not knowledgeable enough to do it. 1) The ability to restart the server remotely. 2) A setting in the .ini file to do a verification on server startup. 3) A gui interface that can be run to Administer the server from the host computer. Paul Guyot wrote: >> I apologize for restarting the Mymacs.net server often. I have been >> playing around with the java code. I went back to the original code >> and recompiled. >> >> I will now do all my tinkering on test machines. >> sorry for the inconvenience. > > > Hey, don't take it this way, it was merely a joke on my side. I was > just wondering why it was restarted that often. > And please share your improvements to the tracker server! :) > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Claessens wrote: > I would like to add the following but i am as of yet not knowledgeable > enough to do it. > > 1) The ability to restart the server remotely. I don't think Java can reload itself... maybe you could have it fork off a shell script that kills Java and then reloads it... > 2) A setting in the .ini file to do a verification on server startup. That's easy, I can add that. > 3) A gui interface that can be run to Administer the server from the > host computer. Hrm... also doable, but I don't have time for such an undertaking right now. Maybe in May when I'm out of school. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:41:23 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 06:38:27 -0600 From: Claessens >I changed the following line: Vector theHosts = new Vector( mHostInfoVector ); >to: Vector theHosts = new Vector(); > theHosts = mHostInfoVector; Er. This might lead to problems. Well, this will lead to problems. >I did this so my compiler would compile it for JAVA 1.1.8 > >It also allows it to run fully under JAVA 1.1.8 Umm, it used to compile under Java 1.1.8 (I used CW), but I no longer tried because there is a bug in this version of the VM and it causes troubles in NPDS tracker. It's about DNS cache. So if anyone uses a domain name, please don't use mymacs.net tracker. NPDS Tracker indeed requires Java 1.2 or higher. >I changed the following lines that are similar to this: else if >(commandline.equals("VTEST")) >to: else if (commandline.equals("VTEST") || commandline.equals("vtest")) I'd suggest capitalizing the input and then comparing it to VTEST for efficiency. >Also I added explanations as to what certain commands were looking >for: out.print("Add or Delete record?[a/d]: "); Great. It's true that one doesn't guess what to type there. >This adds a background color to the table. I think we should have a style sheet approach so that the color could be set in the template.html file. >1) The ability to restart the server remotely. Cf Victor's answer. >3) A gui interface that can be run to Administer the server from the >host computer. Isn't xterm a GUI? ;) Victor, if you work on that, please keep the option of having the tracker faceless, as shakti doesn't run any X server. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Paul Guyot wrote: > Er. This might lead to problems. Well, this will lead to problems. > > >I did this so my compiler would compile it for JAVA 1.1.8 > > > >It also allows it to run fully under JAVA 1.1.8 > > Umm, it used to compile under Java 1.1.8 (I used CW), but I no longer > tried because there is a bug in this version of the VM and it causes > troubles in NPDS tracker. It's about DNS cache. > So if anyone uses a domain name, please don't use mymacs.net tracker. > NPDS Tracker indeed requires Java 1.2 or higher. I thought the workaround thing worked for 1.1.8, or did we realize that it doesn't? > I'd suggest capitalizing the input and then comparing it to VTEST for > efficiency. Yes. > >This adds a background color to the table. > > I think we should have a style sheet approach so that the color could > be set in the template.html file. Yes yes yes. An embedded style sheet should be in the included template.html. > >1) The ability to restart the server remotely. > > Cf Victor's answer. I might look into this and 2) tonight, while I'm not studying for a midterm :) > >3) A gui interface that can be run to Administer the server from the > >host computer. > > Isn't xterm a GUI? ;) > Victor, if you work on that, please keep the option of having the > tracker faceless, as shakti doesn't run any X server. I was actually thinking of an applet that the server can serve up so it will run in a browser, and it can just connect back to the server and talk to the existing ADMIN interface. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:11:18 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst >I thought the workaround thing worked for 1.1.8, or did we realize that it >doesn't? AFAIR, the work around was introduced with 1.2. [snip] >I was actually thinking of an applet that the server can serve up so it >will run in a browser, and it can just connect back to the server and talk >to the existing ADMIN interface. Wow. Maybe the thing could be set to use some IP instead of simply 127.0.0.1 and be used remotely? ;) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:44:04 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Fw: Re: Another Tracker On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Paul Guyot wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) > From: Victor Rehorst > > >I thought the workaround thing worked for 1.1.8, or did we realize that it > >doesn't? > > AFAIR, the work around was introduced with 1.2. I thought it was 1.1.8. Or maybe it was 1.2, which is why I had to upgrade Java on misato. > >I was actually thinking of an applet that the server can serve up so it > >will run in a browser, and it can just connect back to the server and talk > >to the existing ADMIN interface. > > Wow. Maybe the thing could be set to use some IP instead of simply > 127.0.0.1 and be used remotely? ;) Well, yeah, of course. It would be the exact same way that VNC servers serve up the Java version of the client. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ------Chairperson. College of Arts Student Union, University of Guelph------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #16 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Mar 16 08:51:51 2002 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:11:07 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #17 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 62 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 15 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 017 In This Issue: [NPDS] Mymacs server [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Tracker Server 0.1.29 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:51:21 -0600 From: Claessens Subject: [NPDS] Mymacs server From 2100 to 2200 Central standard time the mymacs server will be down while I move it to a new location. I apologize for any inconvenience. Dan...... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:59:11 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Tracker Server 0.1.29 Hi all, I'm pleased to announce NPDS Tracker Server 0.1.29. You can download it here: http://npds.free.fr/%20Tracker%20Server/NPDSTracker-0.1.29/ What's new: * Fixed the bug in processing of console commands, so now lowercase commands work. * The console now says "server validation test started" before it finishes the validation. * The tracker was waiting forever for an answer from fellow trackers, which was bad. * Added style information to colorize the table. * The server performs a verification on startup. * Vector copy constructor is no longer called, so this should compile on Java < 1.2 (but it will have problems because of bugs in the JVM) * The server now checks the hosts passed as REGUP parameters to be correct (to resolve and to be not private). Enjoy. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #17 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 17 07:49:52 2002 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:10:28 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #18 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 34 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 16 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 018 In This Issue: [NPDS] MyMacs.net is back up! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claessens" Subject: [NPDS] MyMacs.net is back up! Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:16:34 -0600 MyMacs.net is back up! I appologize for the inconveineance. I moved from my little apartment into a house. I had tried to orchestrat it so there would only be a short outage. My ISP told me my connection was done. Well it was for the most part. They negelcted to tell my that My old dsl conection was CAP and my new connection was DMT. This required that the nvram on my router to be flash upgraded and reconfigured. Mymacs is now up permanently. Thank You!..... Dan..... :-) ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #18 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Mar 19 07:02:30 2002 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #19 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 35 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 18 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 019 In This Issue: [NPDS] NPDS Watcher modification? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:04:27 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] NPDS Watcher modification? Paul would it be possible (without a lot of work) to modify the time duration that NPDS watcher waits before launching nHTTPd after a restart? If so, is this something I could do, having downloaded the source? P.S. I was looking at the "Install & Remove" file, and I think I see where to change the value although I could be wrong. -- ----------------- John Skinner Vanderbilt University john@johnskinner.net http://www.johnskinner.net ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #19 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 20 06:29:05 2002 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #20 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 31 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 19 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 020 In This Issue: [NPDS] Crashing and other stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Smith, Bradley" Subject: [NPDS] Crashing and other stuff Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:13:32 -0000 Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that although I think it's greate that folk are still working on NPDS the old version (at lightYear media) used to work fine. The latest one crashes regularly causing my Newt to reboot etc. and sometimes requiring me to reboot manually. Alos, When serving GIF images I used to be able to run a program (on the Newt) to set the colours of the reulting GIF. I can't see how to do that anymore? Brad ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #20 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Mar 21 07:08:17 2002 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:11:07 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #21 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 104 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 20 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 021 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Watcher modification? [NPDS] Re: Crashing and other stuff [NPDS] [ANN] [Exprimental] Watcher 011ac. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:22:11 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Watcher modification? >Paul would it be possible (without a lot of work) to modify the time >duration that NPDS watcher waits before launching nHTTPd after a >restart? Yes. >If so, is this something I could do, having downloaded the source? In main layout, AutoLaunch method, change 5000: AddDelayedSend(app, 'LaunchWebServer, nil, 5000); to whatever value you want in milliseconds. >P.S. I was looking at the "Install & Remove" file, and I think I see >where to change the value although I could be wrong. Indeed it's not in Install & Remove :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:25:49 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Crashing and other stuff >I just wanted to say that although I think it's greate that folk are still >working on NPDS the old version (at lightYear media) used to work fine. The >latest one crashes regularly causing my Newt to reboot etc. and sometimes >requiring me to reboot manually. This is the big drawback of the Watcher. It restarts the Newton :) >Alos, When serving GIF images I used to be able to run a program (on the >Newt) to set the colours of the reulting GIF. I can't see how to do that >anymore? You haven't installed Victor's RGB & HSV module? ;) This slider thing is much more complex with the new code because we now have 16 grays instead of two colors. Now, if you define something simple to implement, I might take the time to do it. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:54:58 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] [Exprimental] Watcher 011ac. Hi all, I've uploaded a highly experimental new version of NPDS Watcher. What happens is that it no longer reboots the Newton (although it still says here and there "reboot"), but instead, it shuts down the server, waits for 30 seconds (for tracker client to finish and so on), disconnect the Internet link violently, waits for 5 seconds and then restarts the server. Additionally (special for John) it minimizes the server. I also set the NS Task check time to 10 minutes. Note that: + the watcher will still reboot your Newton (without any warning) if the NewtonScript task doesn't seem to be living for 40 minutes (unless the NS Task Check task itself died, sorry, I can't do anything in that case) + the internet connection is closed now matter which internet application was open. Consider it better than rebooting the Newton. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #21 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 24 07:41:15 2002 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 03:10:34 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #22 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Lines: 70 ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 23 Mar 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 022 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:02:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac Hi all, I've just uploaded nHTTPd 2.043 & Watcher 012ac to NPDS Development Updates website (http://npds.free.fr) What's new? ----------- nHTTPd: * Fixed the ListenCB -60049 bug. * We no longer can be star'd twice. Watcher: * nHTTPd is properly maximized before being launched. Who should upgrade? ------------------- * Every nHTTPd 2.042 user should upgrade if I don't see any obvious bug I left in the next days. * Thrill seekers who upgraded to Watcher 011ac would probably prefer this new build as it fixes the double nHTTPd in the star menu. Watcher 012ac requires nHTTPd 2.043, but nHTTPd 2.043 doesn't require Watcher 012ac. Note: ----- The -60049 bug is one of the bugs that make nHTTPd no longer listen for incoming requests after some event. The cause was that the new endpoint was instantiated just before calling Accept, and under some timings, this would mean trying to listen before the previously listening endpoint was actually connected (it is exactly what -60049 means, can't listen because some other endpoint is currently listening). I have just reverted the two asynchronous calls, and consequently, it is still possible that the -60049 error pops out again, although this is less probable. If ever you experience this error with this new build (a dialog says: "ListenCB error -60049 or something like this), please drop me a line, and I will instantiate the new endpoint only after the accept call is finished. I haven't done so because incoming requests arriving between the moment the connection is accepted and the moment the new endpoint goes listening again are lost. The shortest we can keep this gap, the more responsive the Newton is. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #22 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Apr 04 09:40:40 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 03:11:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #23 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 03 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 023 In This Issue: [NPDS] After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connection s [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connecti [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connecti ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 20:24:38 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connection slip I have been using the WaveLAN drivers for quite some time now. First I used the original beta drivers from Hiroshi (before the Alpha versions). Now I have all of the drivers installed, but all are frozen except Alpha 3. Everything has been working great, then one day my Newton stopped displaying the connection slip when nHTTPd launches! You start nHTPPd and it just connects. I checked all the settings, (soft) reset the Newton, left it off for several hours. Nothing seems to work. Then my other Newton did the same thing. I erased all soups for Internet Settings and Worksite preferences, still no change. I wonder if the WaveLAN drivers are causing some kinds corruption of some kind? Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:01:57 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connection >Everything has been working great, then one day my Newton stopped displaying >the connection slip when nHTTPd launches! You start nHTPPd and it just >connects. I think it's a bug with the watcher, dunno when it appeared. Tap nHTTPd, then [i]->Prefs->Admin->Show NIE Connect Slip >I checked all the settings, (soft) reset the Newton, left it off for several >hours. Nothing seems to work. Then my other Newton did the same thing. I >erased all soups for Internet Settings and Worksite preferences, still no >change. Wow. This seems violent for just this little setting :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:14:07 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connection slip On 4/2/02 11:01 PM, "Paul Guyot" wrote: > > I think it's a bug with the watcher, dunno when it appeared. > Tap nHTTPd, then [i]->Prefs->Admin->Show NIE Connect Slip > Wow. This seems violent for just this little setting :) Wow! I feel like an igmo! Thanks again Paul, and sorry to take up anybody's time : ) ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #23 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Apr 05 07:09:57 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 03:10:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #24 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 04 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 024 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connecti ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 08:26:03 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: After using WaveLAN drivers and NPDS, no connection Paul Guyot wrote: > I think it's a bug with the watcher, dunno when it appeared. > Tap nHTTPd, then [i]->Prefs->Admin->Show NIE Connect Slip > > > > Wow. This seems violent for just this little setting :) > > Paul I'm an idiot! I checked my settings and sure enough, NPDS setup was set not to show connection slips! Thanks Paul! About the violent thing,... I had a mission, I wanted to get rid of the problem and it was on my test Newton. So I have the freedom to do what ever on it without fear of much loss. Kinda fun too! -- ----------------- John Skinner Vanderbilt University john@johnskinner.net http://www.johnskinner.net ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #24 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Apr 11 07:04:01 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #25 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 10 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 025 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:41:21 -0600 From: Grant [Butter Soft] Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've just uploaded nHTTPd 2.043 & Watcher 012ac Now that I'm back in town and reattached to all things electronic (...unlike Ed, I try _not_ to take my Newton with me on my holidays to Hawaii...), I'll be giving these new releases some well deserved attention. Thanks Paul! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #25 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Apr 19 07:32:45 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #26 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 19 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 026 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:45:18 -0600 From: "Grant [Secret Pocket] Hutchinson" Has anyone else noticed a problem where NPDS will just stop serving using the latest versions of the server and the watcher. I'm just wondering if Watcher attempting to restart the server process rather than rebooting the Newton could cause NPDS to become disabled. I'm not getting any error messages, just that NPDS seems to be sitting there doing nothing. I'm not by my Newt right now (I'm at work and the Newt is at home), so I can't elaborate. But I'll try to get some more details when I'm in front of the device. Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #26 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Apr 20 07:16:53 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 03:11:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #27 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 19 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 027 In This Issue: [NPDS] MP2100 just hanging [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question [NPDS] Re: MP2100 just hanging ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:53:40 -0600 From: Grant [All The Rage] Hutchinson I think this is how the problem starts... I glanced at my Newton and noticed that it had a "Closing open connections" dialog box on the screen, as shown in the screen dump linked below. nHTTPd is still running (since I was still able to take the screen dump), but it doesn't seem that Watcher is active anymore. Note the pop up menu from the blinking star. Weird. I believe that if NPDS goes kerflunky at this point, and Watcher is no longer running, that's when the whole server stops working. The Newton doesn't freeze, but NPDS can not longer be restarted since Watcher isn't active. http://www.splorp.com/junk/screenconnections020418.gif I may just go back to using Watcher 010ac for the time being. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] MP2100 just hanging OK, let me first describe what is happening, then tell you about the Newt. For the last 3 days now, I have been coming home to a frozen NPDS server. No power. Nada! I hit the power switch and nothing. I pop out the batteries and unplug the AC, pop in the batteries? Nothing. The only way I can get the Newt back is to take all the power out, put the batteries back in, hit the reset while turning on the Newt and saying "no" to erasing all my data. Once this happens, I can plug in the AC and the Newt will hum along for another day. This Newt is an acellerated MP2100 to 119Mhz (custom crystal job...see:http://newton.tek-ed.com/newtspeed for details) I am running NPDS server V2.042 and NPDS watcher V1.0a10. I also have a dLink de-660 card and some OEM'ed 4mb card. When the Newt dies, it dies hard and will not come back without a full reset...I don't know what is happening...anyone have some ideas to look for? Ed web/gadget guru ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:07:26 +0200 Subject: [NPDS] Re: MP2100 just hanging From: cheezy le 19/04/02 6:04, Ed Kummel à tech_ed@yahoo.com a écrit : > This Newt is an acellerated MP2100 to 119Mhz (custom > crystal job...see:http://newton.tek-ed.com/newtspeed > for details) How can an upgraded 2100 run at 119Mhz when a stock 2100 runs at 162Mhz? Cheezy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:52:00 +0200 From: "Darius Zendeh" Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Dear Gant, I am having the same problem from time to time. I have to reset the device manually. I've got NPDS Watcher 012ac and nHTTPd 2.043 running on the internal store. I am not able to locate the problem. The day before yestaday the server worked perfecty. Yesterday I had the same problem you discribed. I tried a complete new installation after both a wipe with the wipe-utility and a Brainwipe. All with the same unstable result. I suspect the tracker chient. I've got the impression, when it is disabled, the system is much more stable. Regards, Darius. crackman.dyndns.org/html/serverinfo.html (powered by MP2100) All your Newton are belong to us. >Has anyone else noticed a problem where NPDS will just stop serving using >the latest versions of the server and the watcher. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 05:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: MP2100 just hanging Well you see...if you slow the CPU down, then the electrons move slower and they're not as tired when they get to where they are going and as such can do more work. So, even though the Newt is running "slower" it is actually faster because the electrons are working harder :-P Actually...I fat-fingered that (late night typing should be out-lawed) and it should have read "219Mhz" Ed web/gadget guru --- cheezy wrote: > le 19/04/02 6:04, Ed Kummel à tech_ed@yahoo.com a > écrit : > > > This Newt is an acellerated MP2100 to 119Mhz > (custom > > crystal > job...see:http://newton.tek-ed.com/newtspeed > > for details) > > How can an upgraded 2100 run at 119Mhz when a stock > 2100 runs at 162Mhz? > > Cheezy ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #27 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Apr 21 07:44:19 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:10:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #28 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 20 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 028 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Woo hoo! 11 Newts on one tracker! Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:41:55 -0600 From: Grant [All The Rage] Hutchinson Well, it got me excited anyway... http://www.splorp.com/junk/shaktitracker020420.gif g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #28 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Apr 22 07:10:18 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:10:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #29 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 21 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 029 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:56:47 -0600 From: Grant [All The Rage] Hutchinson In a previous message, Darius Zendeh typed vigorously: >I am having the same problem from time to time. I have to reset the device >manually. I've got NPDS Watcher 012ac and nHTTPd 2.043 running on the >internal store. I am not able to locate the problem. The day before >yestaday the server worked perfecty. Yesterday I had the same problem you >discribed. I tried a complete new installation after both a wipe with the >wipe-utility and a Brainwipe. All with the same unstable result. I suspect >the tracker chient. I've got the impression, when it is disabled, the >system is much more stable. When I changed back to using the 010ac version of the Watcher, the stability issues went away. it must have something to do with how the 012ac version tried to restart the NPDS process. Occasionally things just get hung up and the whole thing goes all cattywumpus. However, the latest version of the NPDS core seems to rock! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:35 +0100 From: "Darius Zendeh" Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Dear Grant, do you recommend to switch back to the Watcher version 010ac? When will we get our hands on the new version of NPDS? Regards, Darius. newtenlightment.dyndns.org >When I changed back to using the 010ac version of the Watcher, the >stability issues went away. it must have something to do with how the >012ac version tried to restart the NPDS process. Occasionally things just >get hung up and the whole thing goes all cattywumpus. However, the >latest version of the NPDS core seems to rock! ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #29 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Apr 23 07:16:48 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:11:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #30 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 22 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 030 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.043, Watcher 012ac question Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:10:21 -0600 From: Grant [All The Rage] Hutchinson In a previous message, Darius Zendeh typed vigorously: >do you recommend to switch back to the Watcher version 010ac? Yes I do. After switching back to 010ac, my server has been running all weekend without a freeze or reboot. I haven't heard from Paul about why 012ac might be causing the connection problems, and I'd like to see if we can provide him with some more information about the problem. I certainly prefer a solution where the NPDS server is restarted after a problem rather than having the whole Newton restarted. >When will we get our hands on the new version of NPDS? That's up to Paul at this point. I know he was starting to make plans regarding 3.0, but he has been rather busy. I'll let him provide an answer to that question in his own time. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #30 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Apr 28 16:49:27 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:10:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #31 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 27 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 031 In This Issue: [NPDS] DNS [NPDS] Re: DNS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Claessens" Subject: [NPDS] DNS Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:37:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1ED62.2AFA28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do I get my NPDS server to use a domain name?? ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1ED62.2AFA28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How do I get my NPDS server to use a = domain=20 name??
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C1ED62.2AFA28E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: DNS Well...first you need to buy a domain name. Then you need to register that domain name with a domain server. Then your NPDS server needs to have a static IP (yes, I know that there are dynamic IP solutions, but I have found that they are impractical) Then you need to point that IP to your domain. And there you have it! Now, if you aren't familiar with DNS servers, I would suggest you let a professional set it up. DNS can be confusing and it goes way beyond the scope of this list! If you are familiar with DNS, I would suggest that you follow more or less this chain. First, go to Granitecanyon.com and get the name servers you will be using. Second, go to godaddy.com and register your domain (if you already have your domain registered, you can skip this step) Third, enter name servers you got from Granite Canyon into your domain registration. Go back to Granite Canyon and setup your domain with the static IP that your NPDS is assigned to. Be careful. If you haven't done this before, it is not something a neophite should attempt. If you have problems, get and read the O'Reilly book, DNS & BIND. (actually, only the first 4 chapters are needed for what you are doing) Viola! you're now registered! The alternate method is to contact your ISP, Purchase a static IP and have them set up the DNS for your domain...{whimp! ;-P} Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- Claessens wrote: > How do I get my NPDS server to use a domain name?? > ===== Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #31 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Apr 29 07:55:30 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 03:10:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #32 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 28 Apr 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 032 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Tracker 0.1.30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:25:00 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Tracker 0.1.30 Hi folks, I realized that NPDS Tracker 0.1.29 didn't filter out 192.168.x.x addies as expected (thanks Jeff Henry) and it was a stupid bug. 0.1.30 fixes it. It can be found on http://npds.free.fr Victor gonna say "less work for me", but I'm the guilty one :p Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #32 ************************* From ???@??? Tue May 14 08:43:56 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:11:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #33 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 13 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 033 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] A quick thought about note footers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 12:02:11 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson What does everyone think about changing the default "NewtonOS Personal Data Sharing" link that appears in the footer of every served note, so it points to the NPDS development page instead of the old NPDS pages. As much as I want to credit Matt for his work on NPDS, I think it's confusing for any curious user or visitor to our Newton-served pages to have to follow the current trail of pages to get to the main inforamtion regarding NPDS. For example: The link currently points to: http://come.to/lightyear_media Which redirects to: http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/ But is still a couple of clicks away from Matt's main NPDS page: http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/ I suggest that we take a shortcut and simply change the built-in NoteServ URL to point to http://npds.free.fr/ - which actually does reference Matt's pages quite a few times anyway. Thoughts? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:31:54 +0200 Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers From: Jan-Eric Kolbe Hi, all! > I suggest that we take a shortcut and simply change the built-in NoteServ > URL to point to http://npds.free.fr/ - which actually does reference > Matt's pages quite a few times anyway. Agreed! Have a nice week, ciao, jack. ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:03:47 -0400 Perhaps even a user defined footnote would be good. I'm quite happy to give Matt and all the others who have contributed to the various pieces of NPDS credit for the work they have done -- I did also pay for NPDS, so perhaps I can ask to be able to alter the footnote (yes, yes, I know I can go into the code and do it myself by recompiling). a slightly grouchy today Paul F. > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Hutchinson [SMTP:grant@splorp.com] > > What does everyone think about changing the default "NewtonOS Personal > Data Sharing" link that appears in the footer of every served note, so it > points to the NPDS development page instead of the old NPDS pages. As > much as I want to credit Matt for his work on NPDS, I think it's > confusing for any curious user or visitor to our Newton-served pages to > have to follow the current trail of pages to get to the main inforamtion > regarding NPDS. For example: > > The link currently points to: > > http://come.to/lightyear_media > > Which redirects to: > > http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/ > > But is still a couple of clicks away from Matt's main NPDS page: > > http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/ > > I suggest that we take a shortcut and simply change the built-in NoteServ > URL to point to http://npds.free.fr/ - which actually does reference > Matt's pages quite a few times anyway. > > Thoughts? > > g. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:46:38 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers >Perhaps even a user defined footnote would be good. > >I'm quite happy to give Matt and all the others who have contributed to the >various pieces of NPDS credit for the work they have done -- I did also pay >for NPDS, so perhaps I can ask to be able to alter the footnote (yes, yes, I >know I can go into the code and do it myself by recompiling). Actually, you don't even need to pay^W modify the code, because scripts take precedence over built-in SSIs. I've been using this trick for HOME for a while now, and I have just did the same for CREDITS. Thanks for the idea, Grant :) For those who aren't scripts experts like Paul (cf http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$71.nsd for his impressive collection), just open the Script editor, tap the new button (a note with little lines all around), tap Untitled, put something like "New Credits" for the name, CREDITS for the SSI, check activated and static value (unless you make some special script), then close the slip (not very easy). Below // Script Template put something like: "

Served By: NewtonOS Personal Data Sharing 3.0a1

" (escape all the " with a backslash) The version string is built-in, and there is no very simple way to retrieve it. However, there is a way. The idea is to retrieve the version from the NoteServ prefs. Uncheck the static box, and do: "

Served By: NewtonOS Personal Data Sharing " & GetAppPrefs( '|pHTML:MAVON|, nil ) & "

" Please note that this is untested, not particularly clean, it might not return the correct version, and this method to retrieve the version like this will very probably go away. In a nutshell, hardcode the version number :) BTW, Paul, just had a look at your clean up script. I think that the problem is that kAppSymbol is a constant only defined withing NTK (like kAppName) and on your Newton, it is an unknown global variable (I don't have any NewtonOS documentation here, but I bet it is the exception you get when you tap evaluate in the script editor). What you probably want is something like: func() begin // Remove every cache entry, whoever created it. // *The* soup. local cacheS := GetUnionSoup("NPDS:MAVON"); // Check that the soup exists (we never know). if (cacheS = nil) then return "The cache soup didn't exist."; // Let's count the number of entries removed. local int nbEntries := 0; local cacheQ := cacheS:query(nil); local theEntry := cacheQ:entry(); while( theEntry ) do begin // Let's actually remove it. EntryRemoveFromSoupXmit( theEntry, '|Cache cleanup script:NPDS| ); // Au suivant! theEntry := cacheQ:next(); nbEntries := nbEntries + 1; // Counting help you sleep. end; return nbEntries && "entry(ies) were removed."; end; // Bill Posters is innocent. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #33 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 15 08:17:07 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #34 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 14 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 034 In This Issue: [NPDS] Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:07:11 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Synchronizing server with another Newton? Hi all, Several of us use a dedicated Newton to serve web pages and I finally joined the ranks by setting up my spare (another 2100) for daily use. The server machine will in fact remain my development machine because it has the SER Board. Additionally, it will sit next to the keyboard for a while now and be used as a battery charging station until I put my hands on a US to Europe power plug adapter to use my new Power Adapter. What kind of synchronization methods are you using, fellow dedicated-Newton serving users? I haven't decided yet what to put on which Newton, but I like the idea of serving birthdays via Avi's BD and consequently, I'd like to have at least my Names DB mirrored. Do you have any suggestion? Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:09:31 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? >What kind of synchronization methods are you using, fellow >dedicated-Newton serving users? I suppose the simplest way is to make sure the newtons have the same owner name and then use NCU to load the names backup from our mobile/master newtons in to our server newtons on a regular basis. Of course this assumes that we don't want to enter that kind of data into our server newtons in the first place. If we want to put names/dates/notes into both newtons i suppose claris organiser synching is the only convenient route. can claris organiser synch with 2 newtons? To be honest, I can't get NPDS stable enough to really make this worthwhile. NPDS watcher seems to completely confuse my mp and cause a lot of errors. Without it NPDS only seems to run for a few hours. I might try a hard reset to see if I can improve things, but I am really looking forward to a more solid version. I don't know NewtonScript at all but I am very proficient at Javascript. How hard do you think it would be for me to get into NewtonScript programming? Are resources for this available on the net? What is the best development environment? Thanks for all you are doing for us Newtoneers. You are very appreciated. Regards Richard Braine ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:46:56 -0400 Original Message: ----------------- From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:09:31 +0100 To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? >I suppose the simplest way is to make sure the newtons have the same >owner name and then use NCU to load the names backup from our >mobile/master newtons in to our server newtons on a regular basis. Of >course this assumes that we don't want to enter that kind of data >into our server newtons in the first place. If we want to put >names/dates/notes into both newtons i suppose claris organiser >synching is the only convenient route. can claris organiser synch >with 2 newtons? I've gotta agree with Richard. Or you could maintain one master Newt and beam Names over to the server. With a little NS this could be automated nicely. I'm not sure how the Newton would handle duplicate names though... if it would overwrite them or make multiples. >To be honest, I can't get NPDS stable enough to really make this >worthwhile. NPDS watcher seems to completely confuse my mp and cause >a lot of errors. Without it NPDS only seems to run for a few hours. I >might try a hard reset to see if I can improve things, but I am >really looking forward to a more solid version. If you've got a lot of stuff loaded, it can cause problems generally with your Newt. I think I'm gonna be looking at a brain wipe and reload pretty soon (and now I have a real, working Mac with NCU so I can make Ethernet backups!) >I don't know NewtonScript at all but I am very proficient at >Javascript. How hard do you think it would be for me to get into >NewtonScript programming? Are resources for this available on the >net? What is the best development environment? Everything is there. The Development section of the FAQ has tons of resources: http://www.chuma.org/newton/faq/newton-faq-development.html But for a quick overview: Programming NewtonScript can be done either on the desktop (with Apple's NTK) or on the Newton (with Steve Weyer's NewtDevEnv). There is also NSBasic, which uses a BASIC (not Visual Basic, but BASIC) style syntax. Has extentions for Internet access and a GUI form designer. There is *also* Waba for the Newton. Waba is a portable Virtual Machine-based language for Palm, WinCE, Newton, and other platforms. You use a Java compiler on the desktop for development. If you already know Java or C, and don't need stable network sockets, serial support, or fast graphics drawing (since the Newton version is still lacking in these areas) then I would highly recommend it. -- Victor Rehorst - chuma@chuma.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 2002 10:45:36 EDT From: Charles.P.Daghlian@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles P. Daghlian) Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? --- You wrote: I'm not sure how the Newton would handle duplicate names though... if it would overwrite them or make multiples. --- end of quote --- It makes multiples, atleast on my machines. Chuck ******************************************** Charles P. Daghlian, Ph. D. Director, Rippel E. M. Facility 7605 Remsen Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 03755 603-646-1039 / FAX 603-650-1637 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~emczar/ http://www.dartmouth.edu/~daghlian/paleo/ ******************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:58:27 -0600 From: "Grant [Monoxygenized] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Actually, you don't even need to pay^W modify the code, because >scripts take precedence over built-in SSIs. I've been using this >trick for HOME for a while now, and I have just did the same for >CREDITS. Thanks for the idea, Grant :) Well, isn't that a slick way of doing it. Thank you very much for the mini-tutorial Paul. There were two things I just learned from this information: 1) That scripts take precedence over built-in SSI (this doesn't seem to be mentioned in the NPDS documentation, and; 2) I didn't realize that there even was a tag in addition to the tag, since isn't listed in the SSI portion of the documentation either. Are there any other undocumented tags that we should be aware of? >"

Served By: NewtonOS >Personal Data Sharing 3.0a1

" Version 3.0a1? You're just teasing us, aren't you Paul? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:05:51 -0600 From: "Grant [Monoxygenized] Hutchinson" In a previous message, richard@cyberphotographer.com typed vigorously: >To be honest, I can't get NPDS stable enough to really make this >worthwhile. NPDS watcher seems to completely confuse my mp and cause >a lot of errors. Without it NPDS only seems to run for a few hours. I >might try a hard reset to see if I can improve things, but I am >really looking forward to a more solid version. I found that the latest version of Watcher (012ac) actually caused my Newton to stop serving pages more often than a previous version (010ac). Although in principal, the newer version has a much better way of attempting to keep thing running (restarting the server process instead of forcibly rebooting the Newton), I found that NPDS didn't stay active nearly as consistently. If you are using Watcher 012ac, I suggest you go back to using 010ac and see if the server stays up longer, or at least keeps running after a reboot. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:01:19 -0400 Original Message: ----------------- From: Grant [Monoxygenized] Hutchinson grant@splorp.com Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:58:27 -0600 To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers >Well, isn't that a slick way of doing it. Thank you very much for the >mini-tutorial Paul. There were two things I just learned from this >information: 1) That scripts take precedence over built-in SSI (this >doesn't seem to be mentioned in the NPDS documentation, and; 2) I didn't >realize that there even was a tag in addition to the >tag, since isn't listed in the SSI portion of the documentation >either. > >Are there any other undocumented tags that we should be aware of? Other than these?: (long URL) http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearMedia/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/advanced.html#Table Oh, I guess that's the SSI documentation you're referring to. Isn't this tag spit out when you save the "default" home page to Notes? And of course, you can always sift through the source and play a rousing game of "find the SSIs". -- Victor (bored at work, can't wait to get home to upgrade the PM6100) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:14:21 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: A quick thought about note footers >There were two things I just learned from this >information: 1) That scripts take precedence over built-in SSI (this >doesn't seem to be mentioned in the NPDS documentation Indeed. Actually, I should admit I have just tried for HOME and since it worked, I deduced that it should be so. >and; 2) I didn't >realize that there even was a tag in addition to the >tag, since isn't listed in the SSI portion of the documentation >either. > >Are there any other undocumented tags that we should be aware of? Here is the full list of nHTTPd (the core). Each module can define its own SSIs. Please be aware that documented or not, these tags may go away in their current form (the whole tag processing feature will be optimized). Static: Dynamic:
ActiveServer NameLast Verified
) in my word list, but, annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags which I don't like. I was surprised to see that browsers don't accept tags written like so: < table >. It seems the parsers only look for /<[^\s]/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:57:59 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? From: Matt Vaughn I don't remember the name of it, but there was a Newton HTML authoring environment out there. The author and I at one time discussed integrating his package with NPDS (and vice-versa). Search around and you'll find it. Oh, wait.. I think it was called nHTML, but don't quote me on that. Cheers, Matt On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 03:59 AM, richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: >> > NPDS without it!)> > > I agree. does anybody recommend a Newton environment for writing HTML by > hand? I used to put tag expansions ( td -> ) in my word list, but, > annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags which I don't like. I > was surprised to see that browsers don't accept tags written like so: < > table >. It seems the parsers only look for /<[^\s]/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds- > request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? On Thu, 16 May 2002 richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: > > >with NPDS without it!)> > > I agree. does anybody recommend a Newton environment for writing HTML > by hand? I used to put tag expansions ( td -> ) in my word list, > but, annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags which I don't > like. I was surprised to see that browsers don't accept tags written > like so: < table >. It seems the parsers only look for /<[^\s]/ Check out nHTML. Download: http://www.tow.com/downloads/nhtml-1.1.sit ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:18:26 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> >> >with NPDS without it!)> >> >> I agree. does anybody recommend a Newton environment for writing HTML >> by hand? I used to put tag expansions ( td -> ) in my word list, >> but, annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags which I don't >> like. I was surprised to see that browsers don't accept tags written >> like so: < table >. It seems the parsers only look for /<[^\s]/ > >Check out nHTML. Download: >http://www.tow.com/downloads/nhtml-1.1.sit I also am working on a customzied version of nHTML which lets you specify uppercase or lowercase tags, and fully quoted attributes. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? I use a program called "Picky". This puts a little diamond at the top of the Newt and gives you a drop-down of lists that you can pick the word or combination of text you wish. I have things like "commands", "days", "events", "HTML"...and so on... The about for this is Picky 1.1 1994 S. Millman (stephenM35@aol.com) It's listed as freeware, so you might have some luck at UNNA. Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- Matt Vaughn wrote: > I don't remember the name of it, but there was a > Newton HTML authoring > environment out there. The author and I at one time > discussed integrating > his package with NPDS (and vice-versa). Search > around and you'll find it. > Oh, wait.. I think it was called nHTML, but don't > quote me on that. > > Cheers, > > Matt > > On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 03:59 AM, > richard@cyberphotographer.com > wrote: > > >> a pain working with > >> NPDS without it!)> > > > > I agree. does anybody recommend a Newton > environment for writing HTML by > > hand? I used to put tag expansions ( td -> ) > in my word list, but, > > annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags > which I don't like. I > > was surprised to see that browsers don't accept > tags written like so: < > > table >. It seems the parsers only look for > /<[^\s]/ ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] weird error when starting NPDS OK. Here is what I did. In an effort to test a synch capability, I made a backup of my main Newt's internal stores on a card. I then restored it to my NPDS server. All NPDS stuff (applications and notes) are on a seperate card. When I restored my newt, all my notes, names and dates were updated on my NPDS server. Now, whenever I startup the NPDS server, I get this error: "Server: InetGrabLink Internet Error -61001" then I get a bunch of -48XXX -8XXX and -61xxx errors (about 4-5 seperate dialog boxes popup with errors) and the NPDS will not start. If I restart the Newt, start the Watcher, THEN start NPDS, the server will start. But! If the Watcher initiates a reboot, the Newt will vicious cycle through reboot, startup watcher, reboot, startup watcher, reboot...you get the picture... So! What happened? I downloaded a new copy of NPDS just to make sure that that wasn't the problem. I am running NPDS 2.042 Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:40:53 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS I have been experiencing this for over a week. Exactly as you describe. Grant kindly enlightened me to go back to version 10 of the watcher, not 12, which has certainly helped. But i still get the inetgrablink error 61001 which means that when (not if) NPDS crashes it never comes up again, even with watcher. this is REALLY getting me down. >OK. Here is what I did. In an effort to test a synch >capability, I made a backup of my main Newt's internal >stores on a card. I then restored it to my NPDS >server. All NPDS stuff (applications and notes) are on >a seperate card. When I restored my newt, all my >notes, names and dates were updated on my NPDS server. >Now, whenever I startup the NPDS server, I get this >error: >"Server: InetGrabLink Internet Error -61001" > >then I get a bunch of -48XXX -8XXX and -61xxx errors >(about 4-5 seperate dialog boxes popup with errors) >and the NPDS will not start. If I restart the Newt, >start the Watcher, THEN start NPDS, the server will >start. But! If the Watcher initiates a reboot, the >Newt will vicious cycle through reboot, startup >watcher, reboot, startup watcher, reboot...you get the >picture... >So! What happened? I downloaded a new copy of NPDS >just to make sure that that wasn't the problem. I am >running NPDS 2.042 >Ed >web/gadget guru >http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) >http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) > >===== >Roll that beautiful bean footage! >- Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >http://launch.yahoo.com > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:55:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? Well...I did this. I backed everything up on a card. I made sure that my NPDS stuff was on the card in my server. Then I restored to the NPDS server all the stuff I backed up from my main Newton. The only problem is that any folder I had on my NPDS newton but not on my main Newt disappeared. The data was still there, just no folder. This was fixed by creating a folder of the same name and automagically everything that was in the folder previously appeared in that new folder. Now, if I can only find out what that inetgrablink error is all about... Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: > > NPDS puts the > >responses in. I tried to > do the "beaming" thing, but found that I could not > remember which > entries were recently added.> > > couldn't you keep the NPDS notes on one card, and > restore the master > newton's notes to the server's internal storage? You > would need to > make sure that all of the master newtons's notes > were on internal > before making the backup. IIRC the card backup > facility only backs up > data from internal. hang on let me think this > through: > > 1) set master newton to store all notes internally > 2) on server machine store NPDS notes on card > 3) back up master newton notes from internal to card > 4) restore card backup to servers internal - NPDS > notes on card > should be unaffected > > if you try this, let me know if it works ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #36 ************************* From ???@??? Sat May 18 09:28:24 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:11:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #37 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 17 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 037 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:57:55 -0700 From: Adam Tow Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? The source code to nHTML is available on my site. You may want to sync up with Grant, however, as he seems to be actively expanding the application. -adam ====== At 20:55 -0700 5/16/02, Grant Hutchinson wrote: >Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:18:26 -0600 >From: Grant Hutchinson > >In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: > >>> >>> >with NPDS without it!)> >>> >>> I agree. does anybody recommend a Newton environment for writing HTML >>> by hand? I used to put tag expansions ( td -> ) in my word list, >>> but, annoyingly, Newton puts spaces in between all tags which I don't >>> like. I was surprised to see that browsers don't accept tags written >>> like so: < table >. It seems the parsers only look for /<[^\s]/ >> >>Check out nHTML. Download: >>http://www.tow.com/downloads/nhtml-1.1.sit > >I also am working on a customzied version of nHTML which lets you specify >uppercase or lowercase tags, and fully quoted attributes. -- Adam Tow tow.com Tomorrow begins today. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS What makes this even weirder is that if I pop my card with all the NPDS stuff on it (applications and files) into my other (main) newt, NPDS fires up just fine! I suspect that perhaps on my NPDS Newt, there is a package that when it transferred over is no longer frozen and causing a problem...This will take quite a bit of time to determine the cause so I don't expect to find an answer before the end of next week. Becuase of this, my NPDS server will be down...after over 6,000 hits! Ed webgadget guru --- richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: > I have been experiencing this for over a week. > Exactly as you > describe. Grant kindly enlightened me to go back to > version 10 of the > watcher, not 12, which has certainly helped. But i > still get the > inetgrablink error 61001 which means that when (not > if) NPDS crashes > it never comes up again, even with watcher. this is > REALLY getting me > down. > > >OK. Here is what I did. In an effort to test a > synch > >capability, I made a backup of my main Newt's > internal > >stores on a card. I then restored it to my NPDS > >server. All NPDS stuff (applications and notes) are > on > >a seperate card. When I restored my newt, all my > >notes, names and dates were updated on my NPDS > server. > >Now, whenever I startup the NPDS server, I get this > >error: > >"Server: InetGrabLink Internet Error -61001" > > > >then I get a bunch of -48XXX -8XXX and -61xxx > errors > >(about 4-5 seperate dialog boxes popup with errors) > >and the NPDS will not start. If I restart the Newt, > >start the Watcher, THEN start NPDS, the server will > >start. But! If the Watcher initiates a reboot, the > >Newt will vicious cycle through reboot, startup > >watcher, reboot, startup watcher, reboot...you get > the > >picture... > >So! What happened? I downloaded a new copy of NPDS > >just to make sure that that wasn't the problem. I > am > >running NPDS 2.042 > >Ed > >web/gadget guru > >http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) > >http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new > subdomain) > > > >===== > >Roll that beautiful bean footage! > >- Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > >http://launch.yahoo.com > > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:37:05 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS ||What makes this even weirder is that if I pop my card with all the NPDS stuff on it (applications and files) into my other (main) newt, NPDS fires up just fine!|| Did you have your ethernet/wireless card in each? I have tried to locate software conflict with no success. Did you try installing the wavelan driver? It was after trying that that the problem occurred for me. I still haven't fixed it, but am working on locating it too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:29:38 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS ||What makes this even weirder is that if I pop my card with all the NPDS stuff on it (applications and files) into my other (main) newt, NPDS fires up just fine!|| OK Ed - I think I have fixed this cos my server stayed up all night for the first time in a week... I followed the instructions on how to use the NPDS Wiper to erase all preferences and problems haven't occurred since. To be fair the Wiper blurb explains all this to some extent. Wiper blurb is at http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/troubleshooting.html I am not sure if you have to save the css but notes remained fine. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #37 ************************* From ???@??? Sun May 19 08:16:54 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 03:10:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #38 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 18 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 038 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:18:00 -0600 From: "Grant [Acclimated] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Adam Tow typed vigorously: >The source code to nHTML is available on my site. You may want to sync up >with Grant, however, as he seems to be actively expanding the application. Syncing up source code is a good thing. And someday I may actually release what I've worked on so far... :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:27:10 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS From: Josh Burker I've always found that manually erasing the NPDS file from the Storage bin will get an unstable NPDS to run again, until the file corrupts again. Also, I leave caching off in NoteServ. Josh Burker On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 03:29 AM, richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: > ||What makes this even weirder is that if I pop my card with all the > NPDS stuff on it (applications and files) into my other (main) newt, > NPDS fires up just fine!|| > > OK Ed - I think I have fixed this cos my server stayed up all night for > the first time in a week... > > I followed the instructions on how to use the NPDS Wiper to erase all > preferences and problems haven't occurred since. To be fair the Wiper > blurb explains all this to some extent. Wiper blurb is at > http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/troubleshooting. > html > > I am not sure if you have to save the css but notes remained fine. > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #38 ************************* From ???@??? Tue May 21 07:03:58 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 03:10:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #39 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 20 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 039 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? [NPDS] /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another [NPDS] tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with an [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with anot [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with anot [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: tracker client [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:51:23 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? It looks like the tracker might have been one of the things making npds unstable on my 2100. Having frozen the tracker software, I am no longer listed but my 2100 is staying up. Is there a way for the tracker to hit my 2100 and verify that it is running at its fixed address (62.49.99.226:1993) even though it is not running the tracker module. It seems a shame not to list it now that it is a bit more reliable. Could the tracker continue to test addresses that regularly subscribe until they are consistently not found for a few days? That way we could subscribe an address and there would be no requirement for that machine to run extra modules, i.e. if it's up, it's up. Richard Braine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:04:45 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Synchronizing server with another Newton? NPDS seems not to support query strings. ok - let's not be ungrateful. but this means i have a problem making sure that the screen shot is up to date in a visitors browser. normally i would just add a random query string to the /screen/index.html URL. Is there another way to serve up the screen on a changing URL? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:11:46 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another >NPDS seems not to support query strings. ok - let's not be >ungrateful. but this means i have a problem making sure that the >screen shot is up to date in a visitors browser. normally i would >just add a random query string to the /screen/index.html URL. Is >there another way to serve up the screen on a changing URL? Actually, the GIF server will serve the screen with any URL of the form: /screen/ It is possible that NPDS core doesn't like query strings there. Now, normally, clients should reload the resource and NPDS will always say it changed. Of course, you can have some stupid proxy in the between. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:15:31 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another >It looks like the tracker might have been one of the things making >npds unstable on my 2100. Having frozen the tracker software, I am >no longer listed but my 2100 is staying up. Is there a way for the >tracker to hit my 2100 and verify that it is running at its fixed >address (62.49.99.226:1993) even though it is not running the >tracker module. It seems a shame not to list it now that it is a bit >more reliable. Could the tracker continue to test addresses that >regularly subscribe until they are consistently not found for a few >days? That way we could subscribe an address and there would be no >requirement for that machine to run extra modules, i.e. if it's up, >it's up. Tracker servers know that Newtons are up by accessing /traq/confirm.ns or something like this. If the tracker client is inactive, then NPDS will generate a 404. However, I don't think the problem is the tracker client. I think rather that it is repetitive requests of the tracker server plus requests at the same time from visitors that make NPDS unstable. Put NPDS on, unplug the ethernet cable and NPDS will be *very* stable :) The good news is that apparently, from C++, one can set an endpoint to listen and when an incoming request arrives, tell another endpoint to work on it while the first one is still listening. This might sound like chinese, but it will mean that no incoming request will be lost, unlike what we have now. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:35:24 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with >Tracker servers know that Newtons are up by accessing >/traq/confirm.ns or something like this. If the tracker client is >inactive, then NPDS will generate a 404. I was going to ask why you couldn't just check /index.html but I suppose that would be intrusive. But couldn't I tell the tracker server that I want to be tracked regardless of whether I am running traq? I suppose that would need some kind of authentication. >The good news is that apparently, from C++, one can set an endpoint >to listen and when an incoming request arrives, tell another >endpoint to work on it while the first one is still listening. This >might sound like chinese, but it will mean that no incoming request >will be lost, unlike what we have now. I am pretty ignorant about these things, but is that roughly analogous to apache spawning a new thread for each new HTTP connection (or rather, maintaining a few spare threads so that there is always one ready for incoming requests)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:56:15 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another > >>Actually, the GIF server will serve the screen with any URL of >the form: /screen/ thanks Paul. That has fixed my problem. I have a page which displays the screen in the middle. I wrote a little javascript in the body onload to change the img src name to '/screen/'+(new Date) so that browsers always load a new screenshot even if it's stored in cache. your help is much appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with On Mon, 20 May 2002 richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: > >Tracker servers know that Newtons are up by accessing > >/traq/confirm.ns or something like this. If the tracker client is > >inactive, then NPDS will generate a 404. That's exactly the URL it hits. It should return just 202 NPDS OK or something like that. It's in the spec. > I was going to ask why you couldn't just check /index.html but I > suppose that would be intrusive. But couldn't I tell the tracker > server that I want to be tracked regardless of whether I am running > traq? I suppose that would need some kind of authentication. Because when Matt wrote it, that's what it did, so we stuck with it :) It uses its own URL so that it doesn't skew the logs for other pages, I suppose. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:32:51 -0500 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: /screen/ (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another richard@cyberphotographer.com wrote: >>I have a page which displays the > screen in the middle. I wrote a little javascript in the body onload to > change the img src name to '/screen/'+(new Date) so that browsers always > load a new screenshot even if it's stored in cache. Could you possibly share that page code with us? -- ----------------- John Skinner Vanderbilt University john@johnskinner.net http://www.johnskinner.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:37:20 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with >But couldn't I tell the tracker server that I want to be tracked >regardless of whether I am running traq? I suppose that would need >some kind of authentication. Well, the confirmation process is made in such a way that you cannot try to convince the tracker server that you're up when you're not. We don't really want to change this because if a server says UP the newton should be available (at least, should have been up at last verification). Someone once figured out how to use Apache to fake confirmation pages. For weeks his Newton was listed as up and in fact wasn't at all. This is frustrating for visitors, isn't it? >I am pretty ignorant about these things, but is that roughly >analogous to apache spawning a new thread for each new HTTP >connection (or rather, maintaining a few spare threads so that there >is always one ready for incoming requests)? AFAIK, Apache 2.x does this but 1.x spawns a new thread. No, this isn't the same thing. When an incoming request arrives, if there is an endpoint listening on that port, it is sent an event saying that an incoming request arrived (NewtonOS architecture is based on XTI, like OpenTransport, btw). The normal operation then is to accept the incoming request. But until another endpoint is set to listen, incoming requests are told that the machine isn't listening. On NPDS 2.0, there was a single endpoint. This endpoing was listening, then a request arrived, it processed it, waited for the delay you can still set in the prefs, then torn down the link and re-listen after a while. So your Newton wasn't responsive for a long time. It was common to see Newtons marked as down on Matt's tracker (there was no such thing like Victor's tracker) just because they were serving a page when the tracker came and knocked in. On NPDS 2.x <= 2.43, there are multiple endpoints. An endpoint is listening, then a request arrives, another endpoint created and set to listen while the first one is told to accept the request. These two operations are asynchronous, so sometimes the endpoint told to listen fails to listen because the other one didn't accept the call yet. (you cannot have more than one endpoint listening). On NPDS 2.44, the second endpoint is set to listen only when the first one accepted the call. This makes a larger margin, and it's not technically more stable than 2.43. On NPDS 3, endpoints are native and there is one listening and many exchanging data (this isn't possible with NewtonScript endpoints). The Newton shall not lose any incoming requests, unless a limit of connections is set. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:40:11 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with >AFAIK, Apache 2.x does this but 1.x spawns a new thread. ^^^^^^^ Of course, one should have read process. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:59:35 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with another From: Matt Vaughn I used a custom verification protocol so that: 1) I was sure that only a small amount of data was transmitted back to the tracker server, as opposed to up to 4 kB for a regular note such as someone's index.html page. Remember, NPDS was written to be efficient on a MP130 and eMate-class machine and such things were important considerations. 2) You couldn't just point the tracker at a random web server and stay registered. I wanted NPDS servers only on the trackers. Hence, the 202 HTTP response code. I figured if you were going to spoof our trackers, you ought to have to work a little for it. Also, I intended to eventually include data in the confirm.ns file that is returned by the client, allowing dynamic updating of the server's comment field or any other thing we might want to transmit to the tracker. But, as usual, I didn't get around to it so confirm.ns just contains a little blurb of text. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:20:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with On Mon, 20 May 2002, Matt Vaughn wrote: > 2) You couldn't just point the tracker at a random web server and stay > registered. I wanted NPDS servers only on the trackers. Hence, the 202 > HTTP response code. I figured if you were going to spoof our trackers, you > ought to have to work a little for it. I did this for a while for testing though. I think you can still go to http://www.chuma.org/traq/confirm.ns :) > Also, I intended to eventually include data in the confirm.ns file that is > returned by the client, allowing dynamic updating of the server's comment > field or any other thing we might want to transmit to the tracker. But, as > usual, I didn't get around to it so confirm.ns just contains a little > blurb of text. Actually.... that would be a great way of extending the tracker the way we've been talking about for a while... to have it get the location of the Newton and display it on a map. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:22:59 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client >Actually.... that would be a great way of extending the tracker the way >we've been talking about for a while... to have it get the location of the >Newton and display it on a map. Definitely, this would allow to update the location of the Newton, although it's not really likely to change while serving :) I didn't think about using confirm.ns. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:34:09 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client From: Matt Vaughn Here's what I would do.. 1) Make the tracker sign-on extensible so you could send such things as temperature, location, etc. Send the sign-on data in some standard format, XML, perhaps. Now, rework the code that generates confirm.ns to call the same routine used to generate the sign-on ticket. Voila! 2) Re-work your server to accept the updated format and add a handler for the extended data. Then, you can do what you wish with it. If Paul wants to write a map handler module and Victor wants to write a little thermometer module for reading the Newt's temperature, you can both use the same data coming from the NPDS servers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:57:27 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS >Now, whenever I startup the NPDS server, I get this >error: >"Server: InetGrabLink Internet Error -61001" OK, I've just figured out what was happening here. There is a bug introduced in some new version of the watcher (the one that doesn't reboot the Newton all the time). The Show NIE connect slip prefs is disabled. So when you tap the start button, it tries to connect to the internet with the default setting. And I guess that the default setting isn't mapped with your card. Go to the prefs, choose Show NIE connect slip, tap the start button, select the proper configuration & card, then tap connect and it should make it. Optionally revert to an older version of the watcher. I can read on the website that currently supported version of the watcher is 008ac. It means what it says :) (should we update to 010ac?) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:27:36 -0600 From: "Grant [Acclimated] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Optionally revert to an older version of the watcher. I can read on >the website that currently supported version of the watcher is 008ac. >It means what it says :) > >(should we update to 010ac?) I certainly haven't had any complaints or noticed any issues with 010ac - other than the very odd version numbering scheme, which seems to afflict all watchers. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #39 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 22 12:39:07 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 03:11:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #40 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 21 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 040 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server wit [NPDS] Re: tracker client [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS [NPDS] Instability (was: Re: tracker client) [NPDS] Re: Instability (was: Re: tracker client) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:08:47 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS >I certainly haven't had any complaints or noticed any issues with 010ac - >other than the very odd version numbering scheme, which seems to afflict >all watchers. :) Heh, you don't like Adam's numbering system? :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:09:09 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client (was: Re: Synchronizing server with > >We don't really want to change this because if a server says UP >the newton should be available (at least, should have been up at >last verification)...Someone once figured out how to use Apache to >fake confirmation pages. For weeks his Newton was listed as up and >in fact wasn't at all. This is frustrating for visitors, isn't it? Not if the tracker checks only the submitted address. I mean, the tracker server only need test the submitted ip number/address to see if it serves index.html. As long as it serves a page, then the link in the tracker list will work. A tracker should be able to verify that the server serving up the sites index file is NPDS by looking at the environment variables/HTTP headers? If people want to spoof NPDS headers, let them (I think that would be rare!). In other words, I don't think it makes sense to test /confirm.ns to see if /index.html is available. I don't really see why the whole traq/confirm pkg is necessary in the first place. As regards logging, it is not hard to remove trackerbot hits from the log. It seems to me that a better way would be to make the logger (URLcop?) configurable so that the user could tell it not to log hits from certain servers, according to the user's needs. > >>analogous to apache spawning a new thread for each new HTTP connection... > >On NPDS 3, endpoints are native and there is one listening and >many exchanging data (this isn't possible with NewtonScript >endpoints). The Newton shall not lose any incoming requests, unless >a limit of connections is set. wow. thanks for that lengthy and informative response. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:46:10 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client >>Here's what I would do...1) Make the tracker sign-on extensible so >>you could send such things as... All these ideas are great, but i'm just trying to get NPDS to be stable. Turning off the tracker has brought a BIG improvement on my machine in the last few days. But sadly I am no longer listed. I will look into writing an alternative tracker that just looks once a day at the HTTP headers of the index page (the spoofers will be queuing up! ;-) Obviously I will need to make it 'opt-in' and will have a 'test/add to list now' button for the eager. Of course this may never happen... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:24:33 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS >(should we update to 010ac?) not imo. i downgraded to 10 from 12 and am still ahving some problems. will now go down to 8. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:25:45 -0500 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS Paul Guyot wrote: > Optionally revert to an older version of the watcher. I can read on the > website that currently supported version of the watcher is 008ac. It > means what it says :) > > (should we update to 010ac?) > > Paul You have my vote for 10ac! It is pretty solid on both of my Newtons that serve wirelessy. -- ----------------- John Skinner Vanderbilt University john@johnskinner.net http://www.johnskinner.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:53:53 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Instability (was: Re: tracker client) >Not if the tracker checks only the submitted address. I mean, the >tracker server only need test the submitted ip number/address to see >if it serves index.html. As long as it serves a page, then the link >in the tracker list will work. A tracker should be able to verify >that the server serving up the sites index file is NPDS by looking >at the environment variables/HTTP headers? If people want to spoof >NPDS headers, let them (I think that would be rare!). In other >words, I don't think it makes sense to test /confirm.ns to see if >/index.html is available. I don't really see why the whole >traq/confirm pkg is necessary in the first place. Richard, you seem to experience unstable issues we all have with NPDS (please blame the developers, cf http://npds.free.fr for the guilty ones) but I'm pretty sure you're charging the wrong module. Let me stress several points: - when properly configured, the watcher only does reboot the Newton when the server went down. I have quite aggressive settings, but you probably want something like check every 5 minutes and check NS Task is alive. The watcher is definitely an improvement. With the watcher, a Newton can be logged on the tracker server for weeks. - the server goes down mainly because of thread unsafety plus a couple of bugs left, although sometimes it's a -10061 and hadn't I taken part to NPDS, I would say that maybe NIE is guilty as well. Originally (NPDS 2.0), NPDS wasn't able to serve more than one request at the same time. So it hadn't to be thread safe. One of the first thing I've done with NPDS was to change that, but it was a big dirty hack. Although some parts have been reworked so it doesn't work too bad, there remain some thread unsafeness. It means that when several requests arrive at the same moment, bad things can happen. NewtonScript code is executed with cooperative threads (because the garbage collector itself isn't thread safe), but the problem is that NPDS is asynchronous and relies on global data here and there. This definitely explains why you think NPDS is more stable without the tracker client. When you're registered, the tracker server sends a request every 30 minutes. This increases the chance of having two requests colliding and causing the crash. Serving index.html will worsen the problem, because NPDS will take longer to serve your index.html than the very short confirm.ns. Personally, I gave up the idea of fixing the thread unsafeness problem since I've decided to rework the core with C++ code (this is known here as NPDS 3 project). I've been fixing bugs that I've introduced and others that were in NPDS 2.0, though, and sometimes I take a couple of hours browsing BugTrap's logs on Paul, Grant, Josh, John's and other's Newton websites and I try to fix bugs. At the moment I have to finish my two master's theses and find a director for my PhD of CS, so I definitely can't work on NPDS. Now, you have the following choices: - look in the change log about all the bugs I've fixed in 2.0 (some might not be listed, though) and start a new branch of NPDS that won't serve several pages at the same time but would be rock-solid. You don't need to port the Binary server since serving images embedded in pages won't work (as this is typically a case where multiple connections is required) - take the current NPDS source code and try to fix some of the thread unsafeness. But rewriting a new tracker server which you suggested in one of your messages would be a big waste of time, believe me. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:36:39 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Instability (was: Re: tracker client) > >Richard, you seem to experience unstable issues we all have with >NPDS (please blame the developers I don't blame anyone - I really appreciate what all you guys that have worked on it have done. Thanks for giving me such a detailed reply. > >Let me stress several points:... ...rewriting a new tracker server >which you suggested in one of your messages would be a big waste of >time, believe me. OK - understood. I will try to learn more from what's on line before posting any more questions. I guess you guys must feel a bit of pressure from those of us who are desperate to get their Newton's serving like apache/mysql! Thanks Richard ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #40 ************************* From ???@??? Thu May 23 09:17:10 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 03:11:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #41 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 22 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 041 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Instability (was: Re: tracker client) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: weird error when starting NPDS Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:28:04 -0600 From: "Grant [Acclimated] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I certainly haven't had any complaints or noticed any issues with 010ac - >>other than the very odd version numbering scheme, which seems to afflict >>all watchers. :) > >Heh, you don't like Adam's numbering system? :) It's not that I don't appreciate the numbering system, it's just that it doesn't match the versioning of the other modules. I'm guessing that "a" means "alpha"... but what does the "c" mean? Maybe I'm just confused. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Instability (was: Re: tracker client) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:34:13 -0600 From: "Grant [Acclimated] Hutchinson" In a previous message, richard@cyberphotographer.com typed vigorously: >OK - understood. I will try to learn more from what's on line before >posting any more questions. I guess you guys must feel a bit of >pressure from those of us who are desperate to get their Newton's >serving like apache/mysql! Richard, could you possibly post a couple of screen captures of your NPDS Watcher prefs and your Tracker Client prefs windows? I am curious as to what you are using for settings. It a long shot, but I may have an answer for you. Thanks. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:00:32 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Instability (was: Re: tracker client) >Richard, could you possibly post a couple of screen captures of your NPDS >Watcher prefs and your Tracker Client prefs windows? Well, my server has been up for about 4 or 5 days now without a hitch. My settings are simple: traq is frozen and watcher is frozen. As they say, whatever gets you through the night. Sadly it means I am not listed on the trackers. To be honest, I was having so many and such regular problems with the traq client and watcher enabled that I am loath to go back. It may well have been that I set it up wrongly - i am only suBhUMan after all - but I am a Mac kind of guy, 'I choose never to configgle' (to bastardise from Robert Browning's 'My Last Duchess' - http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/104.html). However, if I have a moment in the next few days I will go back to old unstable settings and capture screens. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #41 ************************* From ???@??? Sat May 25 09:52:15 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 03:11:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #42 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 24 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 042 In This Issue: [NPDS] InetGrabLink Error [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] InetGrabLink Error OK...After trying an experiment several days ago, My NPDS server is now no longer functioning reliably. Here is my setup: My secondary 2100 has all NPDS stuff on an external card. The Newt fires up, and the first thing it does is return an "InetGrabLink Error -61001" message. From here on, nHttpd is no longer stable. I reboot the Newt and it comes back to life. I am able to start nHttpd and it will run. Watcher will catch an error (or I can force an error) and when the Newt returns from a reboot, it will respond with the "InetGrabLink Error -61001" message again. I've wiped my Newt completly. Full brain wipes. Restored all NPDS stuff from my site http://newton.tek-ed.com/newnpds which has all of the latest stuff except for Watcher. (I believe it's 10ac) What causes that InetGrabLink error? Which module is throwing the error? Is there a way to circumvent this error? Ed web/gadget guru ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:51:47 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error >What causes that InetGrabLink error? Which module is >throwing the error? Is there a way to circumvent this >error? Ed, I think I found the cause of your problem, but your yahoo box box was full when I posted it to the list. The problem is the default Internet setup. To fix it, open NPDS, then prefs, then show NIE connection slip (in admin I think), start NPDS, select your proper setting with the proper card and voilà. Another cause might be that the ethernet driver and patches if any are not loaded early enough. Telling the watcher to wait for 5 seconds, moving some stuff to the internal store, all that could help. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:49:55 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error > >The Newt fires up, and the first thing it does is return an >"InetGrabLink Error -61001" message. >From here on, nHttpd is no >longer stable. This is exactly what I have been dealing with. I temporarily fixed it using the wiper module but this got boring as I had to keep on re-entering the css stylesheet. I have now made my 2100 stable by freezing the watcher and tracker modules. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:09:23 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: InetGrabLink Error >I have now made my 2100 stable by... whoops - i meant STABLER. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #42 ************************* From ???@??? Mon May 27 06:59:24 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 03:10:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #43 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 26 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 043 In This Issue: [NPDS] missing tracker client... [NPDS] missing tracker client... [NPDS] Re: missing tracker client... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: [NPDS] missing tracker client... Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:56:30 -0700 While messing with NPDS style sheets, I decided to un-check "register with tracker server" (or some such verbage) in the Tracker plug-in options to keep it from showing up on the tracker servers while I mess around. However, now that I've done that, Tracker no longer appears in NPDS's list of plug-ins, making it rather difficult to re-enable. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using nhttpd 2.042 and tracker 2.035. Any assistance appreciated... -Kris ------------------------------ From: "Kristoffer Lott" Subject: [NPDS] missing tracker client... Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 00:53:10 -0700 While messing with NPDS style sheets, I decided to un-check "register with tracker server" (or some such verbage) in the Tracker plug-in options to keep it from showing up on the tracker servers while I mess around. However, now that I've done that, Tracker no longer appears in NPDS's list of plug-ins, making it rather difficult to re-enable. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using nhttpd 2.042 and tracker 2.035. Any assistance appreciated... -Kris [Kris: you're registered on NPDS list as klott-npds@ptpenguin.net, not klott@ptpenguin.net. This list is closed so spam doesn't get in, but it also means that you need to post from klott-npds@ptpenguin.net or I'll have to approve your messages manually. -- Paul] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:03:13 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: missing tracker client... >While messing with NPDS style sheets, I decided to un-check "register >with tracker server" (or some such verbage) in the Tracker plug-in >options to keep it from showing up on the tracker servers while I mess >around. However, now that I've done that, Tracker no longer appears in >NPDS's list of plug-ins, making it rather difficult to re-enable. Has >anyone else experienced this? I'm using nhttpd 2.042 and tracker 2.035. >Any assistance appreciated... -Kris Yes, this is a design philosophy. You need to go to the Extras drawer and tap the Tracker client icon. Then select "register with tracker server" and it will be activated. Once activated, it is in the list of NPDS plug-ins. The plug-in registration scheme I've started to implement on NPDS 3 is totally different. The list pops up immediatly and unactive plug-ins are just shown between parentheses (I might take some code from alt.rec.... to show their names with a different font face). Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #43 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 29 07:32:59 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #44 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 28 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 044 In This Issue: [NPDS] Annuaire/phone number ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FRAVAL Jean-Pierre DDSP 69 CIC Subject: [NPDS] Annuaire/phone number Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:20:18 +0200 Bonjour, J'aimerai avoir accès à mon répertoire téléphonique, c'est possible avec NPDS ??? In english :) I would like to view my phone number with NPDS, it's possible ? Jean-Marc ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #44 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jun 01 06:55:23 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 03:11:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #45 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 31 May 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 045 In This Issue: [NPDS] Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... [NPDS] Re: Stability... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Stability... Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:06:54 -0400 Sacrilege to contradict Paul G. and Adam T., I know, but after freezing both Watcher and Tracker, my server survived the night for the first time in months. We'll see how it does over the week end. And I had visits from several folks who must have me bookmarked, or from existing links to me (like Paul G's!), since I'm obviously not tracked any more. Apologies for not being able to keep up w/ BugReps etc lately, the day job got really busy with travels, I'm moving house, and the World Cup will not help at all... at least I don't have exams... eh Paul, Victor? Oh! thanks for the T-shirt Victor - my cats were very interested in your cats.... ;-) Paul F. My Newton Server: http://newton.nsf.gov (yes, I finally got permission to call it that!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... Me too. I disabled Watcher and Tracker and my NPDS server stayed up all night for the first time in a while...I still got the inetgrablink error when I started the server, but the server started and has remaind up and running. We'll see how it fares this weekend as well. Ed web/gadget guru --- "Filmer, Paul E." wrote: > Sacrilege to contradict Paul G. and Adam T., I know, > but after freezing both > Watcher and Tracker, my server survived the night > for the first time in > months. We'll see how it does over the week end. > > And I had visits from several folks who must have me > bookmarked, or from > existing links to me (like Paul G's!), since I'm > obviously not tracked any > more. ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:37:19 -0600 From: "Grant [Primordial] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Ed Kummel typed vigorously: >Me too. I disabled Watcher and Tracker and my NPDS >server stayed up all night for the first time in a >while...I still got the inetgrablink error when I >started the server, but the server started and has >remaind up and running. We'll see how it fares this >weekend as well. These stability issues have really got me perplexed. Every so often my NPDS will completely freeze up without an error message, and I'll have to force a reset, but generally the server will stay up and running for nearly a week at a time. I have never had to resort to disabling Watcher, let alone the Tracker client. Very odd. I wonder what the difference in configuration of each system could be that would be causing this behavior. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:42:31 -0400 Well, I've finally decided (and found the money) to buy a spare 2100, which I intend to set up as a "permanent" NPDS server. It'll be very bare-bones, so I'll be able to tinker with the config and see if we can track this down to some conflict or another. -- Victor Original Message: ----------------- From: Grant [Primordial] Hutchinson grant@splorp.com Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:37:19 -0600 To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... In a previous message, Ed Kummel typed vigorously: >Me too. I disabled Watcher and Tracker and my NPDS >server stayed up all night for the first time in a >while...I still got the inetgrablink error when I >started the server, but the server started and has >remaind up and running. We'll see how it fares this >weekend as well. These stability issues have really got me perplexed. Every so often my NPDS will completely freeze up without an error message, and I'll have to force a reset, but generally the server will stay up and running for nearly a week at a time. I have never had to resort to disabling Watcher, let alone the Tracker client. Very odd. I wonder what the difference in configuration of each system could be that would be causing this behavior. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:06:26 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... >Well, I've finally decided (and found the money) to buy a spare 2100, which >I intend to set up as a "permanent" NPDS server. It'll be very bare-bones, >so I'll be able to tinker with the config and see if we can track this down >to some conflict or another. I had the stability problem on a _very_ bare bones 2100 so I don't think it is a conflict problem. I think npds and the NIE/Farallon packages were all I had installed. That is when I discovered that freezing watcher and tracker massively improved stability. It still freezes without an error message but it does so every few days instead of every few hours. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:38:33 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... >These stability issues have really got me perplexed. Could I please re-explain my theory? NPDS crashes because of several reasons, but mainly because of race conditions. Race conditions happen when a connection arrives while another one is being processed. Maybe there needs more than two connections for NPDS to crash. NPDS Watcher connects to the Newton on a periodical basis. NPDS Tracker Server connects to the Newton as well. You can only change the watcher's period (in the settings). If you disable both, probability of meeting the crashing race condition is much lower, although it can still happen (typically if you put plenty of Newton-served pictures in a page) If you disconnect the Newton by unplugging the ethernet card and you also disabled the watcher, probability is zero. (I'm not sure whether I'm using the "race condition" expression in a syntaxically correct way, computer scientists please correct me) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:57:21 -0400 A "Race Condition" is: A bug in a multithreaded process where the code of thread A relies on thread B to complete some action, but where there is no synchronization between the two threads. The process works if thread B wins the race by completing its action before thread A needs it, but the process fails if thread A wins the race. Paul, when I get my extra 2100 (probably after I get back from Europe, so July) would it be useful for me to run NPDS with Hammer on my Mac to see if we can catch this? I can just let it run all day until it crashes or fills my hard drive with logs :) -- Victor Original Message: ----------------- From: Paul Guyot pguyot@kallisys.net Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:38:33 +0200 To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... >These stability issues have really got me perplexed. Could I please re-explain my theory? NPDS crashes because of several reasons, but mainly because of race conditions. Race conditions happen when a connection arrives while another one is being processed. Maybe there needs more than two connections for NPDS to crash. NPDS Watcher connects to the Newton on a periodical basis. NPDS Tracker Server connects to the Newton as well. You can only change the watcher's period (in the settings). If you disable both, probability of meeting the crashing race condition is much lower, although it can still happen (typically if you put plenty of Newton-served pictures in a page) If you disconnect the Newton by unplugging the ethernet card and you also disabled the watcher, probability is zero. (I'm not sure whether I'm using the "race condition" expression in a syntaxically correct way, computer scientists please correct me) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:01:33 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... >Paul, when I get my extra 2100 (probably after I get back from Europe, so >July) would it be useful for me to run NPDS with Hammer on my Mac to see if >we can catch this? I can just let it run all day until it crashes or fills >my hard drive with logs :) Actually, no. The problem is rooted in NewtonScript asynchronous I/O plus a lot of globals. There is no native preemptive thread in NPDS yet (and with these threads, I know how to have semaphores) except those coming from NewtonOS and NIE. But I'm glad that you'll get a spare Newton and use it to serve web pages. My development Newton is serving web pages. It reboots quite often, but I think it's available most of the time. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:01:28 -0500 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... Filmer, Paul E. wrote: > Sacrilege to contradict Paul G. and Adam T., I know, but after freezing both > Watcher and Tracker, my server survived the night for the first time in > months. We'll see how it does over the week end. > This is strange. I am using the newest versions of NPDS except for Watcher is version 10ac. Both of my WIRELESS Newton NPDS servers stay up almost all of the time. They both have a lot of software installed on them, each with a different assortment. -- ----------------- John Skinner Vanderbilt University john@johnskinner.net http://www.johnskinner.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: Stability... I'm in the same boat ad Paul Filmer! I just stopped Watcher and Tracker last night and my NPDS server has been rock solid for 51 hits since last night! The really weird thing is that my NPDS server was running fine for the longest time! All of my NPDS stuff sits on a 6mb card (including the notes) in a seperate NPDS folder. The applications sit in an NPDS group (all the extensions are in the extensions group) and all the NPDS notes site in an NPDS folder. I backed up my main Newt to a card, then restored to my NPDS server (they are both exactly the same except my main Newt is running Dashboard and Action Names and my NPDS is not) When I did the restore, I had to recreate the NPDS folders and groups and that was when everything began to fail! I have since performed many brain wipes and downloaded fresh copies of NPDS from my webpage nttp://newton.tek-ed.com/newnpds Last night has been the longest my server has served pages since! Very weird! Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- John Skinner wrote: > Filmer, Paul E. wrote: > > Sacrilege to contradict Paul G. and Adam T., I > know, but after freezing both > > Watcher and Tracker, my server survived the night > for the first time in > > months. We'll see how it does over the week end. > > > > This is strange. I am using the newest versions of > NPDS except for > Watcher is version 10ac. Both of my WIRELESS Newton > NPDS servers stay up > almost all of the time. They both have a lot of > software installed on > them, each with a different assortment. > > -- > ----------------- > John Skinner > Vanderbilt University > john@johnskinner.net > http://www.johnskinner.net > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ===== Roll that beautiful bean footage! - Jay Bush (Bush's Baked Beans) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #45 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Jun 05 08:26:07 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 03:12:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #46 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 04 Jun 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 046 In This Issue: [NPDS] NPDS Scripts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] NPDS Scripts Well...I'm trying to get all my scripts back on my NPDS server. I've been to Paul Filmers page: http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$71.nsd and recovered some of the scripts I had...but one of the canned scripts that I had with the NPDS distribution is no longer there. It's called ROMVERS. Anybody have that? Thanks Ed web/gadget guru btw, my NPDS server is running OK, now...it still locks up about once every other day and that is solved by stopping and restarting NPDS. At least it's not looping with resetting the newton every 10 seconds like it does with Watcher enabled... ===== "I believe that viewers who skip television commercials are Thieves who are guilty of Stealing network programming" - Jamie Keller CEO/Chairman Turner Broadcasting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:33:59 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripts From: Josh Burker On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 08:30 PM, Ed Kummel wrote: > Well...I'm trying to get all my scripts back on my > NPDS server. I've been to Paul Filmers page: > http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$71.nsd > and recovered some of the scripts I had...but one of > the canned scripts that I had with the NPDS > distribution is no longer there. It's called ROMVERS. > Anybody have that? > Thanks > Ed > web/gadget guru > Ed: The script you are looking for is in the NPDS online documentation, as an example of the Simple Scripting Architecture: http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/ Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #46 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 07:22:14 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 03:11:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #47 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 06 Jun 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 047 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripts [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:36:34 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripts If i use my orinoco silver card to connect an npds server on an MP 2100 it always crashes when I go to the screen snapshot. Does anybody know why screen snapshots work fine with an ethernet card but not with the wireless card? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:25:00 +0200 From: "Darius Zendeh" Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripts I've got a Lucent WaveLan Silver. Works fine for me: http://crackman.dyndns.org/screen Regards, Darius. www.newtenlightment.de crackman.dyndns.org (powered by MP2100) All your Newton are belong to us. >If i use my orinoco silver card to connect an npds server on an MP >2100 it always crashes when I go to the screen snapshot. Does anybody >know why screen snapshots work fine with an ethernet card but not >with the wireless card? ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #47 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Jun 11 07:14:50 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:11:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #48 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 10 Jun 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 048 In This Issue: [NPDS] A neat way ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Lewis" Subject: [NPDS] A neat way Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:01:12 -0600 A cool way to see if NPDS is visible to the world. Just type in your servers address and see if it clicks. (If your not using Tracker of course) http://watson.addy.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #48 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Jul 23 03:24:46 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #49 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 22 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 049 In This Issue: [NPDS] -16013 woes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] -16013 woes Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:41:17 -0400 Was there ever a solution to the -16013 problem when registering w/ a tracker? I generate this error now whenever I register w/ the server. I have the following setup, which I have wiped, hard reset, loaded earlier releases and finally completely reloaded, to no avail... (problem on NIE side?) nHTTPd 2.043 Tracker Client 2.035 Watcher 1.0a12 NoteServ 2.045 Card Serv 2.01 DateServ 2.01 GIF Server 1.11 Web*Pager 2.023 Config 2.021 BTW, in cleaning up my NPDS packages spread over 3 computers, I noticed that the "Date Modified" and version numbers as shown on the Newton are pretty screwy for some of the pkgs... e.g. NoteServ showed as v2.045 (the last version loaded before wiping) even when I later loaded v2.01 -> is the version number stored somewhere else that does not get deleted along w/ the package? I'm finally up again, but I have stopped registering due to the above... Paul F, still hoping to again become an active Newtonian someday... --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul E. Filmer My Newton Server: http://newton.nsf.gov ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #49 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Jul 24 10:18:21 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:11:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #50 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 23 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 050 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:45:56 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >BTW, in cleaning up my NPDS packages spread over 3 computers, I noticed that >the "Date Modified" and version numbers as shown on the Newton are pretty >screwy for some of the pkgs... e.g. NoteServ showed as v2.045 (the last >version loaded before wiping) even when I later loaded v2.01 -> is the >version number stored somewhere else that does not get deleted along w/ the >package? I had this happen to me when uninstalling and reinstalling different version of some of the packages (specifically NPDS Watcher). I used Standalone's Prefs Cleaner to nuke all of the hidden NPDS pref information and it seemed to clear things up. g. ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:59:56 -0400 Yeh - I tried Matt's "Wipe" too. Now I have to find where the hit count is hidden again... Perhaps even SAI Prefs Cleaner is missing some of the prefs... After a reinstall and pref cleaning you have to be careful to follow Matt's original instructions to run nHTTPd first, so it can locate the stores where the plugins are located (re-filing later may cause problems). Matt's advice is to put everything on the same store if possible. Still suffering from "Connection aborted by disconnect" Sigh. > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Hutchinson [SMTP:grant@splorp.com] > > I had this happen to me when uninstalling and reinstalling different > version of some of the packages (specifically NPDS Watcher). I used > Standalone's Prefs Cleaner to nuke all of the hidden NPDS pref > information and it seemed to clear things up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:44:18 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes From: Matt Vaughn Wipe will only work reliably on the old (released by me last century) versions of NPDS. If Paul has made substantial changes to the preferences system, it may not remove all the stored data. Thus, I'd use prefs cleaner in place of Wipe. Cheers, Matt -- Matthew W. Vaughn, Ph.D. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory 1 Bungtown Road Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724 "Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia: If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it." ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #50 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Jul 25 03:14:49 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:11:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #51 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 24 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 051 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] [ANN] Wipe 1.02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:26:43 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes >Wipe will only work reliably on the old (released by me last >century) versions of NPDS. If Paul has made substantial changes to >the preferences system, it may not remove all the stored data. Thus, >I'd use prefs cleaner in place of Wipe. What I know is that there is some problem so there are several preferences entries, one per version or something like this. Paul, you should use some pref cleaner or soup editor (do a backup first) or something like this. In the meanwhile, I'll try to find the time to update Wipe. I definitely don't know what could be the cause of this -16013. Could you please provide BugTrap logs once you've had cleaned up the preferences? I don't promise anything. I just spend too much time on my work. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:25:34 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Wipe 1.02 Hi all (and especially Paul Filmer ;), I've found the time to update Wipe. This new version: - removes preferences from any NPDS version from 2.0 to 3.x (Core package only) - removes ghost entries (what I took for duplicate preferences) - removes duplicate preferences if any. Beware. This does things to the system soup. You probably want to do a backup first. It's on http://npds.free.fr/ website (under Utilities). Source code is provided. Paul, if you still have this error after cleaning your prefs with this new version of Wipe and resetting everything, please generate a BugTrap log if possible. Regards, Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #51 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Jul 26 03:24:24 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 03:11:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #52 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 25 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 052 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:02:45 -0400 Hmmm. Thanks Paul - however I get error -14100 ("No such error" !) on installation, and the icon appears X'ed out... Paul F. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:26 PM > To: npds@ml.free.fr > Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Wipe 1.02 > > Hi all (and especially Paul Filmer ;), > > I've found the time to update Wipe. > This new version: > - removes preferences from any NPDS version from 2.0 to 3.x (Core package > only) > - removes ghost entries (what I took for duplicate preferences) > - removes duplicate preferences if any. > > Beware. This does things to the system soup. You probably want to do > a backup first. > > It's on http://npds.free.fr/ website (under Utilities). Source code > is provided. > > Paul, if you still have this error after cleaning your prefs with > this new version of Wipe and resetting everything, please generate a > BugTrap log if possible. > > Regards, > > Paul > -- > Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ > Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:49:05 -0400 Bad form follows (replying to my own post...) Seems the -14100 resulted from changing dongles (who knew?). I successfully installed Wipe v1.02. I have activated Bug Trap, but the -16013 does not seem to generate a report. Grrr. > -----Original Message----- > From: Filmer, Paul E. [SMTP:pfilmer@nsf.gov] > > Hmmm. Thanks Paul - however I get error -14100 ("No such error" !) on > installation, and the icon appears X'ed out... > > Paul F. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > > ... > > > > Paul, if you still have this error after cleaning your prefs with > > this new version of Wipe and resetting everything, please generate a > > BugTrap log if possible. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #52 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Jul 31 03:11:59 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:10:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #53 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 30 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 053 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] [ANN] Tracker Server 0.1.31 [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Lewis" Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Wipe 1.02 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:00:27 -0600 Thanks Paul Your a groovy guy. Don't know what we'd do without you. CLewis > -----Original Message----- > From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr]On Behalf Of > Paul Guyot > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:26 PM > To: npds@ml.free.fr > Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Wipe 1.02 > > > Hi all (and especially Paul Filmer ;), > > I've found the time to update Wipe. > This new version: > - removes preferences from any NPDS version from 2.0 to 3.x (Core > package only) > - removes ghost entries (what I took for duplicate preferences) > - removes duplicate preferences if any. > > Beware. This does things to the system soup. You probably want to do > a backup first. > > It's on http://npds.free.fr/ website (under Utilities). Source code > is provided. > > Paul, if you still have this error after cleaning your prefs with > this new version of Wipe and resetting everything, please generate a > BugTrap log if possible. > > Regards, > > Paul > -- > Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ > Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:32:06 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Hi Paul, >Was there ever a solution to the -16013 problem when registering w/ a >tracker? > >I generate this error now whenever I register w/ the server. I've had a look at the code. Could you please tell me what the exact message of the error is? The tracker is based on a FSM and it shall tell you in which state the error occurred. I guess it happens with only nHTTPd and the tracker enabled (i.e. every other package frozen). Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:56:57 -0400 Two successive error messages after attempting registration w/ a tracker (can be generated by clicking the UP button): "Tracker Client Oops, the server returned an error:" (no error reported) and, after dismissal "Tracker Client An error occurred in Endpoint Connect: A communications problem occurred. Connection may have been dropped. Error=-16013" NPDS-related packages running (not frozen) are: nHTTPd Tracker Client NPDS Watcher Script Editor WebPager CardServ DateServ GIF Server NoteServ urlCop NPDS Setup NPDS Wiper all above latest versions Thanks Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:32 AM > To: npds@ml.free.fr > Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes > > Hi Paul, > > >Was there ever a solution to the -16013 problem when registering w/ a > >tracker? > > > >I generate this error now whenever I register w/ the server. > > I've had a look at the code. Could you please tell me what the exact > message of the error is? The tracker is based on a FSM and it shall > tell you in which state the error occurred. > > I guess it happens with only nHTTPd and the tracker enabled (i.e. > every other package frozen). > > Paul > -- > Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ > Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:09:11 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes >"Tracker Client >Oops, the server returned an error:" (no error reported) This is a long known bug in the tracker client. >"Tracker Client >An error occurred in Endpoint Connect: A communications problem occurred. >Connection may have been dropped. Error=-16013" OK. Do you have PT100? Can you try telnetting the tracker in your settings? e.g. if your tracker server is shakti.continuity.cx, can you connect to shakti.continuity.cx on port 2110 from your Newton? from a desktop computer next to it? I suspect a network problem. If I enter Matt's tracker addy in the settings, I get the -16013 exactly as you described, because Matt's tracker is down. So maybe something on your network is blocking the port/server. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:11:48 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes >OK. Do you have PT100? Can you try telnetting the tracker in your settings? ^^ I meant "with" here. >e.g. if your tracker server is shakti.continuity.cx, can you connect >to shakti.continuity.cx on port 2110 from your Newton? from a >desktop computer next to it? Once you're connected, try to type "ABOUT" followed by return (without the quotation marks). Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:57:23 -0400 Session times out immediately, and I can't get to them from desktop telnet either. Looks like I've been locked out from here... Thanks for the effort Paul -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:12 AM > To: npds@ml.free.fr > Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes > > >OK. Do you have PT100? Can you try telnetting the tracker in your > settings? > ^^ > I meant "with" here. > > >e.g. if your tracker server is shakti.continuity.cx, can you connect > >to shakti.continuity.cx on port 2110 from your Newton? from a > >desktop computer next to it? > > Once you're connected, try to type "ABOUT" followed by return > (without the quotation marks). > > Paul > -- > Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ > Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:31:01 -0600 From: "Grant [Medium Well] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Session times out immediately, and I can't get to them from desktop telnet >either. Looks like I've been locked out from here... That is definitely sounding like a firewall issue. Can you telnet to any other machines outside of your network? Is there any way of finding out what port traffic is allowed through the firewall. Perhaps there's an alternate port one of the trackers could run on. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:36:49 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson Paul, you mentioned the following: >Can you try telnetting the tracker in your settings? Can you explain how you would do this? You obviously can't telnet directly to the shakti box (for example) because the connection will be refused. How would you send the commands from a telnet session. Excuse my ignorance, but I'm still fumbling around with the basics of telnet. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Paul, you mentioned the following: > > >Can you try telnetting the tracker in your settings? > > Can you explain how you would do this? You obviously can't telnet > directly to the shakti box (for example) because the connection will be > refused. How would you send the commands from a telnet session. Excuse my > ignorance, but I'm still fumbling around with the basics of telnet. By using a telnet client to connect directly to the Tracker Server's port. Try this, for example: - grab a telnet client - open a connection to misato.chuma.org port 2110 - once the connection is established, type "ABOUT" and hit Enter the result will look something like this: [chuma@misato chuma]$ telnet misato.chuma.org 2110 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to misato. Escape character is '^]'. ABOUT 200 OK protocol: 1 period: 30 tries: 3 share: true about: NPDSTracker for Java version 0.1.29 running on Java 1.2.2 by Sun Microsystems Inc. Linux i386 2.2.19 Connection closed by foreign host. This way you can see that the tracker is alive, issue commands, access the admin console if you are the admin etc. ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:23 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Tracker Server 0.1.31 Hi all, I'm pleased to announce tracker server 0.1.31. What's new? ----------- Server is able to listen on several ports. Where can I get it? ------------------- http://npds.free.fr/ as usual. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:35:16 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes >Session times out immediately, and I can't get to them from desktop telnet >either. Looks like I've been locked out from here... OK. Can you telnet on shakti.continuity.cx on port 8080? If you can, set that setting into the tracker client. You can set the HTTP port to either 2110 or 8080. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:24:59 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson >[chuma@misato chuma]$ telnet misato.chuma.org 2110 Thanks Paul. This is what I was looking for. I couldn't remember the syntax for specifying a port number. Silly me. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #53 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Aug 01 03:21:50 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:11:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #54 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 054 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:48:42 -0400 That did the trick - port 8080 is accessible to me. Thanks. Now if only my work would let me concentrate on Newting... Paul F. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > > >Session times out immediately, and I can't get to them from desktop > telnet > >either. Looks like I've been locked out from here... > > OK. Can you telnet on shakti.continuity.cx on port 8080? > If you can, set that setting into the tracker client. You can set the > HTTP port to either 2110 or 8080. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:05:47 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes >That did the trick - port 8080 is accessible to me. Thanks. Now if only my >work would let me concentrate on Newting... Great! Now, you just have to update your tracker client settings page to add another possibility for shakti :) Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: -16013 woes Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:08:58 -0400 Well, I would, but now the Plug-ins drop down does not list the Tracker Client anymore (although I am being tracked...) Time to reboot yet again. Paul F. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Guyot [SMTP:pguyot@kallisys.net] > > >That did the trick - port 8080 is accessible to me. Thanks. Now if only > my > >work would let me concentrate on Newting... > > Great! > > Now, you just have to update your tracker client settings page to add > another possibility for shakti :) > > Paul ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #54 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Aug 03 08:00:39 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 03:11:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #55 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 02 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 055 In This Issue: [NPDS] Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Shakti's down... Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:07:56 -0400 taking it's 8080 port w/ it, my only access to a tracker from behind these damned walls but I bravely serve on at http://newton.nsf.gov regardless -- consider it my graffiti on my cell wall going insane -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:11:58 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... hey Paul: I've been trackerless for sometime now but am at least happy to have NPDS running in some fashion. While I don't get as many hits, I am showing my server as a link on my main web site and it still finds some, none newton user visits. Don't do too much cell time there. Dale >taking it's 8080 port w/ it, my only access to a tracker from behind these >damned walls > >but I bravely serve on at http://newton.nsf.gov regardless -- consider it my >graffiti on my cell wall > >going insane > >-- >Dr. Paul E. Filmer >Program Director, OAD/GEO >US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION >vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:17:25 -0400 Hmm. Is your IP address static? It may be useful to set up a "lost NPDS servers" page, broken links or not... -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Steele [SMTP:dtsteele@mac.com] > > hey Paul: > > I've been trackerless for sometime now but am at least happy to have > NPDS running in some fashion. While I don't get as many hits, I am > showing my server as a link on my main web site and it still finds > some, none newton user visits. > > Don't do too much cell time there. > > Dale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:52:25 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... I'm sharing my dsl line with ipnetrouter and using dyndns.org for my NPDS server. I like the idea of a lost NPDS server page... Dale "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org >Hmm. Is your IP address static? It may be useful to set up a "lost NPDS >servers" page, broken links or not... > >-- >Dr. Paul E. Filmer >Program Director, OAD/GEO >US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION >vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dale Steele [SMTP:dtsteele@mac.com] >> >> hey Paul: >> >> I've been trackerless for sometime now but am at least happy to have >> NPDS running in some fashion. While I don't get as many hits, I am >> showing my server as a link on my main web site and it still finds >> some, none newton user visits. >> >> Don't do too much cell time there. > > > > Dale > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Shepherd Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) > > I'm sharing my dsl line with ipnetrouter and using dyndns.org for my > NPDS server. I like the idea of a lost NPDS server page... > > Dale > "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" > Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org Dale, How are you updating your dynamic DNS? I am unaware of a Newton DYNDNS client. Thanks, -Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:01:32 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... I set things up so long ago I'll have to think about it a bit. I set up accounts on www.dyndns.org for my two newts. This has worked great. Let me know if I've left something out. Dale > > >> I'm sharing my dsl line with ipnetrouter and using dyndns.org for my >> NPDS server. I like the idea of a lost NPDS server page... >> >> Dale >> "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" >> Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org > > >Dale, > >How are you updating your dynamic DNS? I am unaware of a Newton DYNDNS >client. > >Thanks, > >-Jeremy > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:09:18 -0700 From: Jeremy Bond Shepherd Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... At 11:01 AM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I set things up so long ago I'll have to think about it a bit. I set up >accounts on www.dyndns.org for my two newts. This has worked great. Let me >know if I've left something out. Hmmm... do you have static IPs for the two newts? That would be one explanation... Or perhaps you are running a DYNDNS client on a PC on your network, and that is updating the dynamic DNS server, and you have some kind of port forwarding arrangement on a NAT router? Domains associated with dynamic IP addresses have to be updated whenever there is an IP change so either you have static IPs, or something else on your network is updating the DYNDNS server. I don't believe the Newts can do it. -Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:39:50 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Shakti's down... Jeremy: Without going and looking, I believe I set it up with port forwarding. This is all done sharing one static IP with ipnetrouter and an airport basestation. I have several macs and a newton or two connected at most times. The address I gave you went to a setup that no longer requires me log on every 30 days for updating the address. My newt just has the same fixed settings and I've been good to go that way for months. Hope that helps. Dale >At 11:01 AM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>I set things up so long ago I'll have to think about it a bit. I >>set up accounts on www.dyndns.org for my two newts. This has worked >>great. Let me know if I've left something out. > >Hmmm... do you have static IPs for the two newts? That would be one >explanation... > >Or perhaps you are running a DYNDNS client on a PC on your network, >and that is updating the dynamic DNS server, and you have some kind >of port forwarding arrangement on a NAT router? > >Domains associated with dynamic IP addresses have to be updated >whenever there is an IP change so either you have static IPs, or >something else on your network is updating the DYNDNS server. I >don't believe the Newts can do it. > >-Jeremy > > > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #55 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Aug 04 06:45:52 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 03:10:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #56 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 03 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 056 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Shakti's up... Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:31:53 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson Bill has obviously given the powers that be a vociferous earful. Shakti lives! End of line. g. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #56 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Aug 09 23:13:56 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #57 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 08 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 057 In This Issue: [NPDS] Tracker listings [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Tracker listings Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:01 -0400 Thanks to the kind folks who do the coding for the trackers, I was able to get around the blocking of port 2110 by our firewall with the addition of port 8080 to shakti. I just noticed that http://shakti.continuity.cx:2110 has a different list from http://shakti.continuity.cx:8080 in that while 8080 lists all the registered servers, 2110 lists only those coming in through 2110 (or so it seems, because my Newt only appears on 8080). "Just a simple complication" BTW - does anybody else on this list have a "lost server" that cannot register? I have started a little list of them, and have Dale Steele's server listed there... Thanks Paul F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:40:01 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings >I just noticed that > >http://shakti.continuity.cx:2110 > >has a different list from > >http://shakti.continuity.cx:8080 Er. You can access http://shakti.continuity.cx:2110 at work? I thought it was firewalled. >in that while 8080 lists all the registered servers, 2110 lists only those >coming in through 2110 (or so it seems, because my Newt only appears on >8080). Er. I really get the same list on both ports. And frankly, looking at the code, I really can't figure out how it could be different. There is a single list. Did you check that the counter on the page increased? Maybe your browser cached the version of the page. This is really weird because you got the page first, registered and then hit the page twice (I guess one per port): Thu Aug 08 16:43:30 CEST 2002-> Handling connection from /128.150.102.145 Thu Aug 08 16:43:30 CEST 2002-> Processing GET command Thu Aug 08 16:43:30 CEST 2002-> Closing connection from /128.150.102.145 Thu Aug 08 16:43:54 CEST 2002-> Handling connection from /128.150.4.33 Thu Aug 08 16:43:55 CEST 2002-> Processing REGUP command Thu Aug 08 16:43:55 CEST 2002-> Inserted "128.150.4.33 Filmer's Dedicated MP2100 Newton" into the list Thu Aug 08 16:43:55 CEST 2002-> 8 hosts now in the list Thu Aug 08 16:43:55 CEST 2002-> Closing connection from /128.150.4.33 Thu Aug 08 16:44:15 CEST 2002-> Handling connection from /128.150.102.145 Thu Aug 08 16:44:15 CEST 2002-> Processing GET command Thu Aug 08 16:44:15 CEST 2002-> Closing connection from /128.150.102.145 Thu Aug 08 16:44:47 CEST 2002-> Handling connection from /128.150.102.145 Thu Aug 08 16:44:47 CEST 2002-> Processing GET command Thu Aug 08 16:44:47 CEST 2002-> Closing connection from /128.150.102.145 I realize that a missing feature is putting the port in the log. Paul -- Home page: http://www.kallisys.com/ Newton-powered WebServer: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ ------------------------------ From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:31 -0400 You can blame / thank Paul mostly - he's been doing most of the Tracker server code lately, since I've had little time. I don't know where he finds the time either... -- V Original Message: ----------------- From: Filmer, Paul E. pfilmer@nsf.gov Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:01 -0400 To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Tracker listings Thanks to the kind folks who do the coding for the trackers, I was able to get around the blocking of port 2110 by our firewall with the addition of port 8080 to shakti. I just noticed that http://shakti.continuity.cx:2110 has a different list from http://shakti.continuity.cx:8080 in that while 8080 lists all the registered servers, 2110 lists only those coming in through 2110 (or so it seems, because my Newt only appears on 8080). "Just a simple complication" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:05:18 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings >BTW - does anybody else on this list have a "lost server" that cannot >register? I have started a little list of them, and have Dale Steele's >server listed there... i don't use tracker http://62.49.99.226:1993 ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:27:40 -0400 D'oh. "But I refreshed!" he squealed. And they are the same now. OK, my bad. ...who knows - I can browse web pages through 2110, but cannot regup nohow noway. Thanks Paul Paul F. > -----Original Message----- > > Er. You can access http://shakti.continuity.cx:2110 at work? > I thought it was firewalled. > > >in that while 8080 lists all the registered servers, 2110 lists only > those > >coming in through 2110 (or so it seems, because my Newt only appears on > >8080). > > Er. I really get the same list on both ports. And frankly, looking at > the code, I really can't figure out how it could be different. There > is a single list. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #57 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Aug 10 07:23:10 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:10:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #58 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 09 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 058 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 20:57:58 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings Hey, that's the idea Paul Filmer and I were discussing recently. I like the idea too but when I tried to visit just now, I didn't get a live page. Hmmm, maybe the lost server page is lost.... Dale "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org >>BTW - does anybody else on this list have a "lost server" that cannot >>register? I have started a little list of them, and have Dale Steele's >>server listed there... > >i don't use tracker >http://62.49.99.226:1993 > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:52:36 -0400 I know, it doesn't make mush sense to put the "lost servers" listing on an unstable page, but my Newt is what I've got handy... I'm up again after being out of the office this AM. I find my server lasts about an hour before it crashes into something the Watcher cannot recover from. Sigh. Probably something in the network here, given that I see others serving seemingly endlessly. Paul F. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Steele [SMTP:dtsteele@mac.com] > ... Hmmm, maybe the lost server page is lost.... > Dale > "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" > Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #58 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Aug 11 08:39:43 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:10:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #59 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 10 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 059 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:32:45 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker listings I was having the same type of problem so I just pulled the watcher and tracker functions and can go for up to a few days before things go down. Of course, I have a lot less traffic this way and miss the visits and exchanges of ideas. Dale >I know, it doesn't make mush sense to put the "lost servers" listing on an >unstable page, but my Newt is what I've got handy... I'm up again after >being out of the office this AM. > >I find my server lasts about an hour before it crashes into something the >Watcher cannot recover from. Sigh. Probably something in the network here, >given that I see others serving seemingly endlessly. > >Paul F. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dale Steele [SMTP:dtsteele@mac.com] >> > ... Hmmm, maybe the lost server page is lost.... > >> Dale >> "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" >> Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #59 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Aug 23 06:49:19 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:12:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #60 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 23 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 060 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] 30,000 hits and going strong! Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:57 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson Woo hoo! My NPDS server passed the 30,000 hit mark today. Not only that, but I think I've discovered a little trick to keeping NPDS Watcher doing its job properly. Up until now, I've had the Watcher automatically minimizing itself upon restart. On a hunch, I unchecked this preference three days ago. Since then I haven't had a freeze or a non-restart due to an error. It seems that as long as NPDS Watcher isn't minimized, it will work perfectly. It is much more inconsistent and will not catch all of crashes when it's minimized. Those of you who have had issues with the Watcher being unable to restart the Newt should check to see if this preference is active. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #60 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Aug 25 18:52:43 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:11:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #61 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 23 Aug 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 061 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 30,000 hits and going strong! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:18:02 -0700 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: 30,000 hits and going strong! Grant: Wow, that's a lot of hits, and I know I made a few of them... I didn't even realize there was a minimize feature with the watcher so perhaps I was using an older version. I haven't used it for a while and have not been registering with a tracker. That helped for a while but now things seem to be down again anyway. I'm going to try and check this out this weekend. Thanks for the tip. Dale p.s. I think my two newton NPDS servers might add up to 11,000 hits combined. >Woo hoo! > >My NPDS server passed the 30,000 hit mark today. > >Not only that, but I think I've discovered a little trick to keeping NPDS >Watcher doing its job properly. Up until now, I've had the Watcher >automatically minimizing itself upon restart. On a hunch, I unchecked >this preference three days ago. Since then I haven't had a freeze or a >non-restart due to an error. It seems that as long as NPDS Watcher isn't >minimized, it will work perfectly. It is much more inconsistent and will >not catch all of crashes when it's minimized. > >Those of you who have had issues with the Watcher being unable to restart >the Newt should check to see if this preference is active. > >g. > >...................................................................... > >Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys > >Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ >Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ >Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ >Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ > > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- "Defy Graviity, err Gravity!" Now (often) serving newton pages at http://rufa.dyndns.org ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #61 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Sep 08 07:22:39 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 03:11:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #62 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 07 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 062 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 0013ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:18:01 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 0013ac Hi all, I'm pleased to announce NPDS Watcher 0013ac. This new watcher no longer has the 5 seconds wait option on reboot before starting the server. Instead, it will wait until NIE is fully loaded and start the server in that case. It looks 15 times separated by 5 seconds each and display a dialog if NIE isn't active then. You can find it on the npds website. I've developed that change because I moved NPDS to the internal store and the watcher failed with an error -48808. BTW, I'm working on a workaround for the Listen CB -60049. It seems to be fine so far. I'll see how stable my Newton is. Don't hesitate to come and visit it. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #62 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Sep 09 19:35:20 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 03:10:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #63 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 08 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 063 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0013ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:34:54 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0013ac >I'm pleased to announce NPDS Watcher 0013ac... thanks for all your work paul. richard http://braine.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #63 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Sep 10 08:38:17 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:11:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #64 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 09 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 064 In This Issue: [NPDS] Watcher 013ac behaviour [NPDS] Re: Watcher 013ac behaviour [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 0014ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Watcher 013ac behaviour Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:34:51 -0400 The cast of characters: MP2100 Farallon PN895 Rev A (top slot) 16Mb card (bottom slot) nHTTPd 2.034 (all pkgs on internal, index.html & all notes on the card (a problem?)) Tracker 2.035 (registering to shakti:8080) Watcher 1.0a13 (launch, no min, 5, check, no reboot dialog, 60 sec) The behaviour: (enter, stage left) Reboot countdown executes properly. "Closing open connections" dialog remains up. (dismissible) Error floater - "Sorry, a problem has occurred: -48803" (dismissible) nHTTPd reads "Disconnected" LED on Ethernet card is out. No BugCatcher note was generated. No reboot occurs. nHTTPd serves fine after manual restart (no reboot). EXEUNT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:01:48 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Watcher 013ac behaviour >Error floater - "Sorry, a problem has occurred: -48803" (dismissible) > >nHTTPd reads "Disconnected" I got that problem this morning, with a bug trap log. I wondered if it was latest nHTTPd or latest watcher. Thanks for the report. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:55:57 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Hi all, I'm pleased to announce NPDS Watcher 0014ac. This new build hopefully fixes the bug that triggerred a -48803 error as reported by Paul Filmer (Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:34:51 -0400). You can find it on the npds website: http://npds.free.fr/NPDS%20Watcher/ Regards, Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #64 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 11 21:31:32 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #65 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 10 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 065 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:10:57 -0600 From: "Grant [Sparkle] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I'm pleased to announce NPDS Watcher 0014ac. Thanks Paul. I'm going to give this a try tonight. By the way, I noticed that you're running nHTTPd 2.044 - what new with this unreleased version? Curious minds want to know... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:50:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Grant [Sparkle] Hutchinson wrote: > By the way, I noticed that you're running nHTTPd 2.044 - what new with > this unreleased version? Curious minds want to know... If you hung out in EFNet #newton, you'd see that the new features include stack overflows: -------- <-- has a stack overflow issue . bunch/#newton hands Zarby a bucket -------- :) -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:29:46 -0600 From: "Grant [Sparkle] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> By the way, I noticed that you're running nHTTPd 2.044 - what >> new with this unreleased version? Curious minds want to know... > > If you hung out in EFNet #newton, you'd see that the new features > include stack overflows: If I hung out on IRC, I'd have even less of a social life. Mmmm. Stack overflows... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:23:25 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac > > By the way, I noticed that you're running nHTTPd 2.044 - what new with > > this unreleased version? Curious minds want to know... > >If you hung out in EFNet #newton, you'd see that the new features include >stack overflows: > >-------- > <-- has a stack overflow issue >. bunch/#newton hands Zarby a bucket >-------- LOL. Er, no, this was my SQL optimizer and it was a java issue. Fortunately, I replaced it with a null pointer issue which, you'll agree, is much better. I'll have to fix that tomorrow at work. The good news is that my internship ends on Friday, so I'll have time (not this week-end because I'll go to the country) to work on some Newton projects for three weeks, before starting my two PhDs :-/ New features include mostly a workaround for the -60049 problem. I'm also doing various experiments to increase the stability. Hence the uptime on my server (the second one, in DD:HH:MM:SS format, which is a new feature as well -- the first uptime is when the Newton was last restarted and is provided by a script plus a simple package I've written). Once I'll be happy with it, I'll post it, I promise. Apparently, there are two choices: - listening just after having said to the TCP/IP stack to accept the incoming connection - listening just when the TCP/IP told us it accepted the connection The first one makes the Newton more receptive to incoming requests while the second one seems a little bit more stable (avoiding bad restarts of the Newton thanks to the NS Task Watcher). I want to investigate a little bit further. Of course, the best choice would be: - listen as soon as the TCP/IP stack accepted the connection but before it tells the NewtonScript task about it (aka C++ Internet). Or maybe there is a way to have an endpoint that always listens and client endpoints, as in most TCP/IP stacks (both socket and endpoint based). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:01:13 -0600 From: Christian Fiutak (by way of Grant Hutchinson, ) Am 18:29 10.09.2002 schrieben Sie: >In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: > > >> By the way, I noticed that you're running nHTTPd 2.044 - what > >> new with this unreleased version? Curious minds want to know... > > > > If you hung out in EFNet #newton, you'd see that the new features > > include stack overflows: Should I reinstall ChatBuddy...??? It's a long time ago since I used my Newton the last time on IRC. A long time ago we had something called "Virtual Newton Stammtisch".... (German for Virtual Newton Meeting) CU, Christian P.S. Saturday, 16:00 h CEST : Newton Meeting in Duesseldorf. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Christian Fiutak, Mainstr. 56, D-47051 Duisburg Email : cfiutak@fiutak.de , http://www.fiutak.de/newton/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #65 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Sep 12 19:38:35 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #66 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 11 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 066 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:31:01 -0600 From: Grant [Smuggle] Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >If you hung out in EFNet #newton Speaking of which... what EFNet server do you use as a default? I may just have to try this here relay chat thing. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ From: "Gary Moody" Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:20:11 +0000 Grant, the appropriate nomenclature/inflection in context is "thang", spoken with a long "A", i.e. "I may just have to try this here relay chat thang." :) Regards from Oklahoma, Gary ----Original Message Follows---- From: Grant [Smuggle] Hutchinson To: "NPDS" Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:31:01 -0600 In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >If you hung out in EFNet #newton Speaking of which... what EFNet server do you use as a default? I may just have to try this here relay chat thing. g. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:41:58 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Gary Moody typed vigorously: >Grant, the appropriate nomenclature/inflection in context is "thang", spoken >with a long "A", i.e. "I may just have to try this here relay chat thang." My apologies. I occasionally have difficulty typing certain regional inflections with this 'dang' Canadian keyboard. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:50:53 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey Paul. >>I'm pleased to announce NPDS Watcher 0014ac. > >Thanks Paul. I'm going to give this a try tonight. Well, after installing 014ac last night, my server rebooted once and that was all. Right now, it's sitting at home, not receiving any connections. I'll double check whether or not it generated a BugTrap report when I get home tonight, but I would guess it didn't. In order to test this new Watcher, I did minimize it. The previous version I was running (010ac) was able to keep rebooting when necessary for nearly three weeks straight prior to me upgrading to 014ac. I was running it unminimized. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #66 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Sep 13 07:15:22 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:11:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #67 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 12 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 067 In This Issue: [NPDS] holy cow! [NPDS] Re: holy cow! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] holy cow! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:41:54 -0400 I'm getting hammered! My server have been mentioned in some discussion list. Well Paul, we'll see how 014ac holds up... Paul F. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: "walter kwaan" Subject: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! ahh.. so your newton was the one featured in /. >I'm getting hammered! My server have been mentioned in some discussion >list. > >Well Paul, we'll see how 014ac holds up... > >Paul F. > >-- >Dr. Paul E. Filmer >Program Director, OAD/GEO >US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION >vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:55:35 -0600 From: Grant [Smuggle] Hutchinson In a previous message, Grant Hutchinson typed vigorously: >Well, after installing 014ac last night, my server rebooted once and that >was all. Right now, it's sitting at home, not receiving any connections. >I'll double check whether or not it generated a BugTrap report when I get >home tonight, but I would guess it didn't. In order to test this new >Watcher, I did minimize it. The previous version I was running (010ac) >was able to keep rebooting when necessary for nearly three weeks straight >prior to me upgrading to 014ac. I was running it unminimized. I'll just answer my own question here... It seems that the reason my server wasn't accepting connections was because it wasn't started. At any rate, I nuked the Watcher prefs just to be on the safe side, reset all the settings, and we seem to be in business. I do get the odd dialog box stuck on the screen after Watcher does a soft-restart on the server: http://www.splorp.com//junk/screenclosing020912.gif It just sits there and sits there. Any one else getting this? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:03:09 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, walter kwaan typed vigorously: >> I'm getting hammered! My server have been mentioned >> in some discussion list. > > ahh.. so your newton was the one featured in /. Slashdotted! I both a bit jealous *and* absolutely glad that it wasn't my server... :) Here's the thread: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/12/1745253 g. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #67 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Sep 14 07:58:25 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 03:11:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #68 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 13 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 068 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac [NPDS] Re: holy cow! [NPDS] Tech: server endpoint, client endpoints [NPDS] Re: holy cow! [NPDS] Down for the count ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:50:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > I both a bit jealous *and* absolutely glad that it wasn't my server... > > :) > > Here's the thread: > > http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/12/1745253 One can read: > "I wonder if the /. effect could drain the batteries of this Newton > quickly?" > Seeing as I don't get a response, I'd say *yes* Great. They don't think it's NPDS :) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:16:35 -0400 Yes, quite commonly. Sometimes dismissible, sometimes not... Paul F. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 8:56 PM It seems that the reason my server wasn't accepting connections was because it wasn't started. At any rate, I nuked the Watcher prefs just to be on the safe side, reset all the settings, and we seem to be in business. I do get the odd dialog box stuck on the screen after Watcher does a soft-restart on the server: http://www.splorp.com//junk/screenclosing020912.gif It just sits there and sits there. Any one else getting this? g. ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:18:17 -0400 Thanks Grant! Yow - this is quite amazing -- I might even catch up to Paul G.'s 50,000 count at this rate... Paul F. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:03 PM Slashdotted! I both a bit jealous *and* absolutely glad that it wasn't my server... :) Here's the thread: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/12/1745253 g. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:00:53 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Tech: server endpoint, client endpoints Hi all, I'm posting here the technical details about server endpoint and client endpoints. This is actually to prepare yourself to the not so stable nHTTPd 2.044 (to be released on Monday). With a serious TCP/IP stack, you have a socket or an endpoint (depending on its being based on sockets or endpoints) that listens for incoming requests and many other sockets/endpoints that process the requests. This is how NewtonOS communication layer works, and I expect NIE to work likewise. Except that to access this communication layer, the current only stable way is via the NewtonScriptEndpointClient. And this stupid class tells the lower layer to use the listening endpoint for handling requests. Consequently, nHTTPd will *always* miss incoming requests between the moment the connection arrived and the moment another endpoint is told to listen. We can have mainly symptoms: - if a request arrives before nHTTPd has accepted another connection, that request will never be told that it failed. - if a request arrives after nHTTPd has accepted another connection but before the new endpoint is setup and listening, that request will be told that the port isn't open. nHTTPd 2.044 currently attempts to create tell the other endpoint to listen before it received the confirmation that the previous one was accepted. It seems quite stable and we get more requests like this, although we are missing a lot of them. So folks, for a perfectly stable nHTTPd that receives many requests, you'll need NIL. This is called NPDS 3.x and it's definitely not ready for production. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: holy cow! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:26:56 -0400 Well, some observations about high hit rates: Seems quite stable, considering. A few -60049s, one -16003, and several total freezes so far. The log gets overwhelmed (I had it at 32/720) so I eventually stopped logging and gave up on resolving DNS. Have at it, slashdotters. I have my "Steve-Jobs-as-target" backdrop up for all those who take screenshots. Nyah-nyah-nyah. I'm even considering having nHTTPd not click on hits, and making the GIFServer silent so that I can get some work done - but extended silence has been a good sign that something is actually wrong. Apparently pudge of /. is a Newton user, given some of his comments regarding other's posts. Hmm. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Down for the count Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:03:54 -0400 It was a valiant struggle, but... The clicker could not keep up with it, and now the Newt refuses to launch NPDS properly, regardless of resets or NPDS wipes. It's stuck with an open connection immediately on launch, so I am giving up on trying to keep my website going. Thanks slashdot - you fried my website. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #68 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Sep 15 08:20:54 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:10:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #69 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 14 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 069 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Down for the count Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:44:35 -0600 From: Grant [Smuggle] Hutchinson In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Thanks slashdot - you fried my website. My deepest condolences Paul. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 0014ac Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:44:43 -0600 From: Grant [Smuggle] Hutchinson Paul, Since the change you made to the Watcher back in version 011ac, where it attempts to restart the server process rather than rebooting the device, I've had the problem with freezing and requests not being accepted. This is exactly what was happening this past week while I was running and testing 014ac. I have gone back to using Watcher 010ac (unminimized) and I have not had any freezing or serving issues. If something goes wrong, the Newton reboots and everything start running again the way it should. Would it be possible to add another preference to the Watcher that let's you choose between restarting the server process and rebooting the Newton? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:34:02 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.044 Hi all, I've finally got rid of the old TCP Server and I replaced it with something based on what I started for late NPDS 2.1. It seems very stable so far. It uses a pool of endpoints instead of creating one when required. This pool is initialized with two endpoints and will grow if more are required. It fixes a big problem in the old server that leaded to the closing connection dialog that doesn't go away. Please note that you can install it but this is not for the faint hearted. Please get BugTrap running if you use it. You can help by coming by my Newton and trying to crash it. Check the uptime on the first page to know if you succeeded. ;) If you read my technical explanation earlier on this list, you'll know that it's normal if some connection fail. I think that this server is better than previous ones (because in fact, endpoints in the pool are already bound, I only need to tell them to Listen while previous versions of NPDS did the full instantiate/bind/listen series). BTW, this new release also includes the . Consider that as an undocumented feature. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #69 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Sep 16 06:25:41 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 03:10:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #70 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 15 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 070 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.044 [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripting question [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripting question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:31:39 +0100 From: richard@cyberphotographer.com Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.044 >I've finally got rid of the old TCP Server and I replaced it... I am really looking forward to a more solid nhttpd. keep up the good work, and thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:35:51 +0200 Subject: [NPDS] NPDS Scripting question From: Ron Schemen Hello, I tried to write a NPDS script to access the fortunes application. I followed the info on Paul's site and on the NPDS site, but it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong ??? The error I get when I test the script is : ---- NewtonScript Error : evt.ex.fr.intrp;type.ref.frame ---- script : ---- func(NullVar) begin local theOut := |Fortunes:Kallisys| : GetRandomFortune(); return theOut; end ---- I tried different syntaxes for the GetRandomFortune(), but same results. Thnx Ron Schemen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:27:45 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripting question À (At) 16:35 +0200 15/09/02, Ron Schemen écrivait (wrote) : >---- >func(NullVar) >begin >local theOut := |Fortunes:Kallisys| : GetRandomFortune(); >return theOut; >end >---- There is a problem in your script. To access the fortunes application (or any application), you need to do: GetRoot(). If includes any special caracter such as a column, you need to put the vertical bars: e.g. GetRoot().|Fortunes:Kallisys| So your script should work by just adding 'GetRoot().' I think I shall have mentioned that on my website. Now, I am using Fortunes as well on my NPDS website (which has a 17 hours uptime, i.e. the watcher hasn't restarted the application for 17 hours which is approximatively when I built the non debug version of 2.044. Apparently, Ron is running it. Anyone else tried?). My script adds two things. First, I return an empty string if the fortunes application isn't present. This can be done the following way: func(foobar) begin local frame fortunesApp := GetRoot().|Fortunes:Kallisys|; if (fortunesApp) then begin ... ... return theOut; end else return ""; end Additionally, I replace < by <, > by >, & by &, \n by
\n and \t by "  " This is done by five lines like: StrReplace(theOut, " ", "  ", nil); Before return theOut; Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:29:43 +0200 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripting question From: Ron Schemen Thanks Paul, I reread the NPDS documentation and the GetRoot() is mentioned there. It now works fine. I must say that version 2.044 with the latest version of the NPDS watcher runs more stable than the previous versions. The only 'bug' I found so far is that the log is empty when I access it via the /cfg URL. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:40:21 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Scripting question >I reread the NPDS documentation and the GetRoot() is mentioned there. Actually, I mentioned the Fortunes API documentation on my website. I've just updated it. >I must say that version 2.044 with the latest version of the NPDS >watcher runs more stable than the previous versions. >The only 'bug' I found so far is that the log is empty when I access >it via the /cfg URL. This is a known bug, but it's not very likely that I will fix it. Indeed, NPDS was written for a single connection at the same time. I have hacked it so it processes the connection more or less thread safely until it generates the statistics. Fixing that would require refounding NPDS entirely. And many many parts should be replaced by native code. Now that I should make a couple of NPDS users happy, let's focus on ATA Support beta 14. Please folks show your uptime as mine is going to be lost with restarts caused by ATA Support tests and installs and debugging sessions with that stupid Hammer Debugger. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #70 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Sep 17 08:29:20 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 03:11:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #71 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 16 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 071 In This Issue: [NPDS] 2.044 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs [NPDS] [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:36:43 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] 2.044 bugs Hi folks, I'm pretty happy with 2.044 and if I don't see any major problem, it will become the recommended version. Nevertheless, I found two bugs. Feel free to give me more details about them if you experience them as well. a/ the communication problem occurred dialog. This dialog appears under some circumstances I can't reproduce, and a bug trap log is generated. However, the server is still serving. I think I should simply catch this exception and ignore it. b/ a big number error just appeared on my Newton and it stopped serving. Here the big number probably comes from NIE weirdeness. However, the bug is that I got the alert saying that the server wasn't up anymore because the error was fatal and the server actually didn't stop. Plus the watcher will probably not recognize these alerts as NPDS alerts/restart the server if it stops too nicely. However, the other test of the watcher (listen test) will succeed and it shall reboot the Newton (yes, I'm aware of the restart/reboot issue on the watcher). Paul Filmer apparently runs 2.044. Paul, can you please post a feedback in a couple of days? If the (b) problem is very rare (like I said, I got a bus error while nHTTPd doesn't include a single line of native code, so it must be NIE), nHTTPd should be the recommended one. It will remain more stable than previous versions. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:52:38 -0600 From: "Grant [Sparkle] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I'm pretty happy with 2.044 and if I don't see any major problem, it >will become the recommended version. > >Nevertheless, I found two bugs. Feel free to give me more details >about them if you experience them as well. I'll try to load this one up tonight. >However, the other test of the watcher (listen test) will succeed and >it shall reboot the Newton (yes, I'm aware of the restart/reboot >issue on the watcher). So, do you recommend that I use Watcher 014ac with this version of nHTTPd in order to test everything the same way as you and Paul F.? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:50:23 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs > >However, the other test of the watcher (listen test) will succeed and >>it shall reboot the Newton (yes, I'm aware of the restart/reboot >>issue on the watcher). > >So, do you recommend that I use Watcher 014ac with this version of nHTTPd >in order to test everything the same way as you and Paul F.? Considering that Paul's Newton is currently down, I don't recommend anything. At least, you might want to stay with the watcher you have that reboots the Newton until Paul tells us why his Newton went down. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:01:37 -0400 Well, I have the same problem as always, now only more so. :) Reboot-relaunch occurs, but without a connection to the net. This has been a problem since the beginning of Watcher. The new twist is that Watcher is somehow detecting something is wrong, and rebooting at the NS task check frequency, whereas before it was perfectly happy to sit and wait for requests that never came. Unfortunately I cannot seem to reproduce the crash that causes this cycle to start. However, once I realize this is happening, I can hit "Stop" (which generates the only BugRep available), and try to relaunch or reset manually. For you to see the BugRep, I'll have to get NPDS up and running... (I may have to reload 043) Then there's also the fact that I am not sure I got rid of all the /. fallout... I know /.ers were deliberately trying to crash the server since there is no other reason for the 15-20 consecutive screenshots I got for the last few days. Grr. Glad I had a backup of the site. Pudge did apologize though. -- Paul F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:51:21 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) >a/ the communication problem occurred dialog. This dialog appears >under some circumstances I can't reproduce, and a bug trap log is >generated. However, the server is still serving. I think I should >simply catch this exception and ignore it. In fact, there was a real problem. Fixed. >b/ a big number error just appeared on my Newton and it stopped >serving. Here the big number probably comes from NIE weirdeness. It was in fact some old reference to the old tcp server. Fixed. Plus a couple of others I don't recall of. There is now a fixed size of the EP pool (reason: NIE won't create more than 16 anyway). You can set this limit with Setup 2.022 in Admin panel. Please note that I'm not entirely sure that you don't need to set the value before running 2.045. Default is 8. I suggest to not set it over 12. Apache equivalent settings' default is 200. All that is on the website. Enjoy ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.044 bugs Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:06:50 -0600 From: "Grant [Off Broadway] Hutchinson" In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Then there's also the fact that I am not sure I got rid of all the /. >fallout... I know /.ers were deliberately trying to crash the server since >there is no other reason for the 15-20 consecutive screenshots I got for the >last few days. Grr. Glad I had a backup of the site. Paul, Have you considered changing the default port on the server? Some of the issues you were experiencing prior ot being /.-ed sound awfully like the same things that happened to my server after the Code Red virus started propagating way back when. Coudl some of instability be coming from malformed requests? As an added bonus, it might confuse the /.-ers for a while if you switch ports, especially if some dipwad has set up a automatic script to hit your /screen/ directory non-stop. I know that switching my server to a non-default HTTP port stopped most of the problems with crap requests coming from Code Red and its kind. Just a thought. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:09:40 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >There is now a fixed size of the EP pool (reason: NIE won't create >more than 16 anyway). >You can set this limit with Setup 2.022 in Admin panel. >Please note that I'm not entirely sure that you don't need to set the >value before running 2.045. Default is 8. I suggest to not set it >over 12. Apache equivalent settings' default is 200. I don't have a EP pool field in the Admin panel. I installed 2.022 and even wiped my prefs (and my hit count along with them :P) but no additional setting appears in NPDS setup. What's up with that? On a related topic, how hard would it be to edit the soup entry where the hit count is stored? I'd really like to get my hits back up to the 36,500 level again... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson wrote: > On a related topic, how hard would it be to edit the soup entry where the > hit count is stored? I'd really like to get my hits back up to the 36,500 > level again... It's not hard. It's stored in the nHTTPd:AllPen entry in your System soup. Or some other entry with nHTTPd as the tag. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #71 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 18 03:13:26 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:11:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #72 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 17 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 072 In This Issue: [NPDS] misato tracker back up [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) [NPDS] 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs [NPDS] Re: Latest versions loaded - no server ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:12:46 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> On a related topic, how hard would it be to edit the soup entry where the >> hit count is stored? I'd really like to get my hits back up to the 36,500 >> level again... > >It's not hard. It's stored in the nHTTPd:AllPen entry in your System >soup. Or some other entry with nHTTPd as the tag. Ok, I found the entry using SBM Utilities, but it won't let me edit it without registering. I think I'll go ahead and pay the $39, but is there another soup editor that will let me edit the entry now? Stewpot can't see that particular entry... hmmm. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:04:47 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson In a previous message, Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson typed vigorously: >>It's not hard. It's stored in the nHTTPd:AllPen entry in your System >>soup. Or some other entry with nHTTPd as the tag. > >Ok, I found the entry using SBM Utilities, but it won't let me edit it >without registering. I think I'll go ahead and pay the $39, but is there >another soup editor that will let me edit the entry now? Stewpot can't >see that particular entry... hmmm. Nevermind... SoupKitchen did the job. My hit counter is back where it's supposed to be. Thanks for the info Victor. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: [NPDS] misato tracker back up Misato's tracker was down this evening because I was replacing Misato with a bigger, beefier machine. All should be well now. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:33:28 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) >I don't have a EP pool field in the Admin panel. I installed 2.022 and >even wiped my prefs (and my hit count along with them :P) but no >additional setting appears in NPDS setup. > >What's up with that? Can you please make a screen shot of the admin panel? Thanks in advance. BTW, apparently, I still have some communication problem occurred dialogs. But it seems that it's because there is a conflict in the number of EPs with: a/ tracker b/ watcher c/ resolver (for stats) I'll study that later. There is no hurry since it serves nevertheless. Please give me as many details to help me debugging 2.045 as you can. Thanks. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:19:13 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) >>What's up with that? > >Can you please make a screen shot of the admin panel? BTW, the setting is called Max Clients (this is the name of Apache's equivalent setting). There is a popup with 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16. I have issues with the tracker (when it connects to the server regularly) at 12. There seem to be a bug with the code that downsize the number of EPs so if you downsize it, you'll need to stop the server and restart it. 8 (the default value) seems to be what you want. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] 2.045 bugs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:49:17 -0400 Can't set Prefs on most of the plug-ins. They appear in nHTTPd pick list, but generate errors (listed below) when they are selected. Watcher will pop up, but error is generated when Prefs is selected from within Watcher itself. Tracker and GIFServ plug-ins seem OK. CardServ, NoteServ -48204 argh, can't get this to generate a BugRep again. DateServ, WebPager -48200 http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=48200&Submit=Search Some of it seems to be linked to the default store choice - I have the pkgs installed on Internal, and all the content stored on a card. When I upgraded, I stored to Internal, then forgot to check the store on card box. After checking the store on card box, I could get the plug-ins to appear once only, but immediately got errors on picking Prefs in two of them. Each generates a BugRep. CardServ OK DateServ, Watcher -48406 http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=48406&Submit=Search NoteServ OK WebPager OK Paul F. -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:59:59 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs >Can't set Prefs on most of the plug-ins. They appear in nHTTPd pick list, >but generate errors (listed below) when they are selected. Watcher will pop >up, but error is generated when Prefs is selected from within Watcher >itself. Tracker and GIFServ plug-ins seem OK. > >CardServ, NoteServ -48204 argh, can't get this to generate a BugRep again. >DateServ, WebPager -48200 >http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=48200&Submit=Search > >Some of it seems to be linked to the default store choice - I have the pkgs >installed on Internal, and all the content stored on a card. When I >upgraded, I stored to Internal, then forgot to check the store on card box. >After checking the store on card box, I could get the plug-ins to appear >once only, but immediately got errors on picking Prefs in two of them. Each >generates a BugRep. > >CardServ OK >DateServ, Watcher -48406 >http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=48406&Submit=Search >NoteServ OK >WebPager OK This seems to be a problem with the preferences that cannot be found or something like that. Did you wipe anything? I don't think this is a 2.045 issue but rather an existing problem in the way preferences are handled by NPDS (there is some update mechanism shared among the plug-ins). Do you experience the problems after a reboot? Also, I read about your issues to watcher successfully restart the web server on Newton reboot. Which version of the watcher are you running? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:23:56 -0400 >This seems to be a problem with the preferences that cannot be found >or something like that. Did you wipe anything? Yes, I ran Wiper. >I don't think this is a 2.045 issue but rather an existing problem in >the way preferences are handled by NPDS (there is some update >mechanism shared among the plug-ins). >Do you experience the problems after a reboot? Hmm. I did not actually reboot, and the system hadn't crashed yet :-) I will reboot manually...(generates a BugRep, 9:18 AM). OK, now I can bring up the Prefs on all of them. Off to the races! >Also, I read about your issues to watcher successfully restart the >web server on Newton reboot. Which version of the watcher are you >running? Watcher 1.014ac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:11:16 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs From: Matt Vaughn You always have to reboot after trashing the NPDS preferences. They are rebuilt to default settings when the packages are installed after a reboot. I know the mechanism gets picked on a bit in this discussion group, but I tend to think it's actually rather elegant :-) Matt > Hmm. I did not actually reboot, and the system hadn't crashed yet > :-) I will reboot manually...(generates a BugRep, 9:18 AM). OK, now I > can > bring up the Prefs on all of them. Off to the races! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:13:51 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs > Yes, I ran Wiper. > Hmm. I did not actually reboot, and the system hadn't crashed yet >:-) I will reboot manually...(generates a BugRep, 9:18 AM). OK, now I can >bring up the Prefs on all of them. Off to the races! Okay. Now, I understand. If you wipe the prefs, a reboot is mandatory (I suspected the wipe because your Newton says 45K hits since today!). This is because of the way preferences are handled through NPDS. However, I never do wipes myself and I try to do my best so you don't have to do any either (the only reason might be instabilities or switching back to an older version). > >Also, I read about your issues to watcher successfully restart the >>web server on Newton reboot. Which version of the watcher are you >>running? > > Watcher 1.014ac Gah. This update was specifically designed to address issues like the one you are experiencing. What about putting the watcher on the memory card (and just the watcher)? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:16:36 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs >You always have to reboot after trashing the NPDS preferences. They >are rebuilt to default settings when the packages are installed >after a reboot. I know the mechanism gets picked on a bit in this >discussion group, but I tend to think it's actually rather elegant >:-) It is Matt, the only problem is exactly what you describe plus that it took me time to understand under which circumstances the prefs were actually reset. I recall the discussions here when Paul was fighting to keep his 5 or 10K counter then. Since I don't know which version, the prefs are never reset on package update. Instead, they are updated: slots that no longer exist are removed and slots that are new are added. I'm not sure my code is very reliable there. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:24:27 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I don't have a EP pool field in the Admin panel. I installed 2.022 and >>even wiped my prefs (and my hit count along with them :P) but no >>additional setting appears in NPDS setup. >> >>What's up with that? > >Can you please make a screen shot of the admin panel? Done. (You gotta love Daniel Padilla's Screen Shooter!) http://www.splorp.com/junk/screenadminpanel020917.gif By the way, I also woke up this morning to find this Communications error message on the screen. It occurred sometime last night. The Newton was still serving, so I just dismissed the message. The process hasn't been restarted yet either. I've have nearly thirteen hours uptime so far. http://www.splorp.com/junk/screencomunications020917.gif I think the error message corresponds to this BugTrap report: http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$688.nsd g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:53:34 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) >Done. (You gotta love Daniel Padilla's Screen Shooter!) It's nice and it uses NPDS technology ;) > http://www.splorp.com/junk/screenadminpanel020917.gif Grant, this is Setup 2.021 I guess you took the .sit archive with the source code. I did a mistake and the 2.022 archive on the website was actually the 2.021 source code (what is weird is that you didn't notice when expanding it as the folder is called 2.021). Anyway, I've uploaded the correct archive. The package seems to be the right version. >By the way, I also woke up this morning to find this Communications error >message on the screen. Yes, I got it as well. I can't reproduce it. Unlike another cause for that error that was a bug in my code, I think here it's that the client actually disconnected before or while the Newton disconnects. >The process hasn't been restarted yet either. I've have nearly >thirteen hours uptime so far. It now says 14 hours. Isn't that new version soooo stable? You don't need to stop the server to install Setup 2.022. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:02:29 -0400 Damn. I really thought putting it on the card might work, delaying the boot until the card had finished reloading (since my connection always seems to drop during card package loading). But I just went through a reboot cycle with no luck - up and serving, but without a connection. > >Also, I read about your issues to watcher successfully restart the >>web server on Newton reboot. Which version of the watcher are you >>running? > > Watcher 1.014ac Gah. This update was specifically designed to address issues like the one you are experiencing. What about putting the watcher on the memory card (and just the watcher)? Paul ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] 2.045 (was: Re: 2.044 bugs) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:18:32 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson Hi Paul. >I guess you took the .sit archive with the source code. I did a >mistake and the 2.022 archive on the website was actually the 2.021 >source code (what is weird is that you didn't notice when expanding >it as the folder is called 2.021). This is exactly what I did. >Anyway, I've uploaded the correct archive. >The package seems to be the right version. Got it. Loaded it. Now things are looking the way they should. >>The process hasn't been restarted yet either. I've have nearly >>thirteen hours uptime so far. > >It now says 14 hours. Isn't that new version soooo stable? Very stable. I'm up to nearly 17 hours now. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:32:45 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Latest versions loaded - no server From: John Skinner Preface: Paul, I know that you are updating things, I'm just trying to help figure out issues :) I just backed up one of my 2100s and brianwiped it. I figured it would be a good time to try out all the new updates from Paul Guyot on a fresh Newton! I installed all parts from the 2100 CD for NIE 2.0 and Paul's "NIE update 3", my Farallon and 3Comaddon, and 802.11 WaveLAN registered version 1.05. Then, I downloaded and installed all the newest packages on to a Pretec 32MB card (everything else is on internal), and now I have some strange things to add to the ongoing discussions. I hadn't noticed that the Setup, once expanded, was version 2.021. Thanks for pointing that out Paul, as I would not have noticed having downloaded all the latest version at once. When I open nHTTPd and tap on start, I get the connection slip O.K. Then the TrackerClient seems to connect to the Tracker server and register O.K. The problem is nHTTPd still says "Not Connected" at the top, but the main button says "Stop" and there is no x box to quit. Now that nHTTPd is in this state it will not answer any requests, but halfway acts like it is running. This is where I'm at so far. I will download Setup 2.022 and install it when I get home tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:52:36 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Latest versions loaded - no server >This is where I'm at so far. I will download Setup 2.022 and install it when >I get home tonight. This won't change anything. Setup is just a GUI for the settings. What would be helpful is to install BugTrap to see if anything is generated. Something else would be to connect the Newton to the internet by other means (for example with an internet application like SimpleMail, Newtscape or Internet Setup Apple's NIE tool) and to run the server afterwards, to see if it improves things. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:59:42 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Latest versions loaded - no server From: Josh Burker On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 11:32 AM, John Skinner wrote: > The problem is nHTTPd still says "Not Connected" at the top, but the > main > button says "Stop" and there is no x box to quit. Now that nHTTPd is > in this > state it will not answer any requests, but halfway acts like it is > running. > I too am experiencing pretty much the same behavior as John. I need to get the new Setup on my Newton, but it was late last night when I updated everything. I'll keep at it though. Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #72 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Sep 20 06:56:32 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 03:11:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #73 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 19 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 073 In This Issue: [NPDS] Note listing - hidden? [NPDS] Re: Note listing - hidden? [NPDS] Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 02:35:45 -0500 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Note listing - hidden? I was wondering if you could have a working link to a note that you could hide from being listed in the default section "Notes in my notepad"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:42:45 +0200 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Note listing - hidden? À (At) 2:35 -0500 19/09/02, John Skinner écrivait (wrote) : >I was wondering if you could have a working link to a note that you could >hide from being listed in the default section "Notes in my notepad"? Yes. "Notes in my notepad" ( I guess) is the list of notes that weren't posted and that are in the Posts folder. "Posts" () is the list of notes that were posted and that are in the Posts folder. The notes in the "Folder" Folder are also accessible with NPDS. If you specify two different folders (labels) in the NoteServ preferences, you can have notes that can be linked to that don't appear in the notes list. The link format is either: /html/ or /html/<virtual ID of the note> Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:05:50 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize Hi all, First, even if there is that disconnecting bug (btw, it actually disables an endpoint), I consider that the new nHTTPd is stable enough to work as it for a while. So I can focus on NPDS 3.x. I would like to summarize the features of NPDS 3.x. I had a colleague at INRIA who was convinced that HTTP-based personal data sharing for PDAs is the way to go. And in fact, he convinced me as well. So I would like to work towards Matt's initial idea, which is making NPDS a web interface for the data on the Newton, instead of stressing the pure web serving part which I was more interested it. I think that NPDS shall allow us to view and modify data on the Newton. But not like on the Newton itself, it should rather be a publish mechanism with some update mechanisms whenever a keyboard and a big screen are more suitable than pen. My problem with that was that I don't really want to publish my card file on the web. Some of us do it but I think that most don't. I don't want to publish my agenda either, etc. Therefore we come to the core of NPDS features: - it shall have a user login/logout interface that must be optional (guest mode). I hate it when I have to login on Apple's website. This means handling cookies. This also means that there should be permissions within the plug-ins. For example people in some group could see your card file and only you can modify it. This login thing will replace the Notes post/web pager identity. - it shall have a website aspect that can be customized with themes. We can all customize the web pages but plug-ins shall be customizable. Using CSS might be sufficient, however it means that plug-ins must rely much more on CSSes. For that part, I wish the talented web designers on the list make some mock NPDS 3.x websites with various themes so the layman Newton user could just pick one in a popup. I think we discussed that already. I trust the CSS experts to tell me what should define a given theme. - the notes server will be merged with works and splitted in several parts: * web structure (including error documents, etc.) and themes notes (which could be in works) will be merged into the core module. They are always required. This also means that there will not be a default module on the contrary to 2.x. I don't think anyone doesn't use Notes as the default module. This module will include admin posting feature (i.e. something that let you add notes to the Newton with permissions). * there could be a bulletin board module (replacing posting notes/listing of owner's notes). * there should be a Wiki module. * there might be a blog-like module. - the gif server module shall be splitted in two parts: * the gif encoder shall go into the core (and could be used to serve themes picture elements). I might add png and jpeg encoding. * the screen module will display the screen content and let you (with permissions) click on it. Like VNC but via HTTP with authentication. - the dates and card file modules shall let you modify/add entries - the binary module will be merged into core because it is required for themes pictures. - the tracker will stay as a separate module. Some people here don't use it and it's not because it brings instability, it's because they don't want/can't share their Newton. - the watcher shall be merged into the core. The part that checks that NPDS is still serving is mainly a workaround for bugs. But it has two other interesting features that we might want to keep: (a) it restarts NPDS on reboot (except at Paul Filmer's) and (b) it reboots if the NS task seemed to crash (this can happen if some other software crashed it). - there shall be some mechanism (probably HTTP based) to update pages and content remotely. This will go into Core. So in the end, we'll have: - Core - BB - Wiki - Blog - Screen - Tracker - Dates - Card File - Pager What did I forget? Is there any feature that you would like to see? And the next question: do you want to help and how? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:46:51 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Need a home for LightyearDesign web site From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> Hi all. With the discontinuation of free mac.com web pages, I am in need of a home for the Lightyear Design web site, totalling around 6 M in size. My first instinct is to move it to a subdirectory of the npds.free.fr site, but this of course would require Paul's assent and cooperation. Cheers, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:52:31 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> Now that I think about, potential providers of assistance wouldn't be hosting my entire site, only the Newton software part. So that's even smaller than 6 M. Matt On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:46 AM, Matt Vaughn wrote: > Hi all. With the discontinuation of free mac.com web pages, I am in > need of a home for the Lightyear Design web site, totalling around 6 M > in size. My first instinct is to move it to a subdirectory of the > npds.free.fr site, but this of course would require Paul's assent and > cooperation. > > Cheers, > > Matt > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: chuma@misato.chuma.org Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Matt Vaughn wrote: > Now that I think about, potential providers of assistance wouldn't be > hosting my entire site, only the Newton software part. So that's even > smaller than 6 M. Matt, we can host your site on dev.newtontalk.net, which is specifically for people doing Newton development. Mail webmaster@newtontalk.net (I don't handle it, someone else does) and ask. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:39:49 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I think it would be nice to be able to reply to a "Pager" message, like invoking a form of instant messaging. For example; If I had my Newton running (the future) NPDS 3 and someone sent me a Pager" message.. I would have the choice to dismiss the message window (like WebPager), OR, I could tap a "Reply" button (that might even load a third-party messaging program, i.e. Chatbuddy, NewtCQ, NewtJabber etc.) and start a chat session. I know that not everyone might want this type of functionality from NPDS 3, but it's just my 2 cents! >> From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> >> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr >> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:05:50 +0200 >> To: npds@ml.free.fr >> Subject: [NPDS] Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize >> > <snip> >> So in the end, we'll have: >> - Core >> - BB >> - Wiki >> - Blog >> - Screen >> - Tracker >> - Dates >> - Card File >> - Pager >> >> What did I forget? Is there any feature that you would like to see? >> >> And the next question: do you want to help and how? >> >> Paul > > ----------------- > John Skinner > Computer Systems Administrator > Vanderbilt University > john.skinner@vanderbilt.edu > Got Problems?... click on the link below and fill out a request. > http://kls.kirkland.vanderbilt.edu/ ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: chuma@misato.chuma.org Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, John Skinner wrote: > I think it would be nice to be able to reply to a "Pager" message, like > invoking a form of instant messaging. > > For example; > If I had my Newton running (the future) NPDS 3 and someone sent me a Pager" > message.. > > I would have the choice to dismiss the message window (like WebPager), > OR, > I could tap a "Reply" button (that might even load a third-party messaging > program, i.e. Chatbuddy, NewtCQ, NewtJabber etc.) and start a chat session. Yes. This would probably mean that the alternative messaging method would have to be sent along with the message, which means that the sender would have to have the info entered somewhere - most logically, in their owner's card. I actually used to have something like this running on a webpage a long time ago. I could send someone a webpager message from a special form I had (entering their IP address), and then when they replied they would go to another form (not on an NPDS server) where they could send an SMS in reply. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ From: "Gary Moody" <nospam_gmoody_at_hotmail_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:40:26 +0000 Hi Matt, Have you checked with Grant Hutchinson [grant@newted.dyndns.org] yet? He saved Stacey Tennen's Newted Community and now has the server. He could probably help. There might be a tiny one-time fee... Regards, Gary ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:52:31 -0400 Now that I think about, potential providers of assistance wouldn't be hosting my entire site, only the Newton software part. So that's even smaller than 6 M. Matt On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:46 AM, Matt Vaughn wrote: >Hi all. With the discontinuation of free mac.com web pages, I am in need of >a home for the Lightyear Design web site, totalling around 6 M in size. My >first instinct is to move it to a subdirectory of the npds.free.fr site, >but this of course would require Paul's assent and cooperation. > >Cheers, > >Matt _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:09:37 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Gary Moody typed vigorously: >Have you checked with Grant Hutchinson [grant@newted.dyndns.org] yet? He >saved Stacey Tennen's Newted Community and now has the server. He could >probably help. There might be a tiny one-time fee... Thanks for the recommendation Gary, but I think I'll defer to Victor's developer hosting offer on the NewtonTalk server. I think that makes more sense. Of course, as much as I'd like to see the older NPDS information archived for reference and posterity, we also need to start think about revamping and consolidating all of the documentation into one place. Maybe the npds.free.fr site is a more logical choice of venue. Naturally, if the sites don't work out, I'd be happy to host it on the Newted server. I'll even reserve 'npds' as an account username. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #73 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Sep 21 08:56:10 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #74 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20020921011115.314A872EAA_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 20 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 074 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: chuma@misato.chuma.org Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Paul Guyot wrote: > * there might be a blog-like module. I would put a blog-like module over a Wiki, personally. > - the gif server module shall be splitted in two parts: > * the gif encoder shall go into the core (and could be used to serve > themes picture elements). I might add png and jpeg encoding. But this would mean that people who use Screen Shooter would have to keep an old version of GIF server around, or have NPDS core installed... or am I misunderstanding you? Why not just make the GIF encoder a library like zlib? > - the dates and card file modules shall let you modify/add entries Dates/Names should import/export vCalendar/vCard. > - the tracker will stay as a separate module. Some people here don't > use it and it's not because it brings instability, it's because they > don't want/can't share their Newton. The tracker and the tracker server should also implement the stuff that we've dreamed about it doing: sending lon/lats for map graphing, possibly other cool stuff. I forget now, it's been so long since we talked about it. Maybe x-face images, for fun? > What did I forget? Is there any feature that you would like to see? Web*Pager could be so much cooler, as was already noted. > And the next question: do you want to help and how? I mentioned the tracker stuff. I'm not sure how else I can help... -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:04:31 -0600 From: Grant [Chop House] Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >What did I forget? Is there any feature that you would like to see? I need more time to chew through all the options and possibilities, but I think we've already got about 90% of my wish list covered already. >And the next question: do you want to help and how? I've already mentioned in previous threads that I'd like to be involved in renovating the documentation, as well as designing a series of html/xhtml/css compliant templates or perhaps something called NPDS SiteSkins(tm). In order to work on the latter, I'd like to start compiling a list of pages and web interfaces that each module would use, the various levels of information hierarchy on those pages, and so forth. Oh, I'm so excited... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:00:53 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize > > * there might be a blog-like module. > >I would put a blog-like module over a Wiki, personally. Sorry for this question that might seem dumb, but you mean that you prefer that to Wiki or you want to run it on Wiki? > > - the gif server module shall be splitted in two parts: >> * the gif encoder shall go into the core (and could be used to serve >> themes picture elements). I might add png and jpeg encoding. > >But this would mean that people who use Screen Shooter would have to keep >an old version of GIF server around, or have NPDS core installed... or am >I misunderstanding you? Why not just make the GIF encoder a library like >zlib? Oh yeah, I forgot Screen Shooter. 'Kay, it should be a library-like separate module. I'll have to discuss with Daniel. (and the png encoder will actually be part of the ZLib because of their relationship). > > - the dates and card file modules shall let you modify/add entries > >Dates/Names should import/export vCalendar/vCard. Noted. > > - the tracker will stay as a separate module. Some people here don't >> use it and it's not because it brings instability, it's because they >> don't want/can't share their Newton. > >The tracker and the tracker server should also implement the stuff that >we've dreamed about it doing: sending lon/lats for map graphing, possibly >other cool stuff. I forget now, it's been so long since we talked about >it. Maybe x-face images, for fun? Great, a new dream-like idea for the tracker: x-faces. >Web*Pager could be so much cooler, as was already noted. Yes. In fact, we discussed about these improvements a while back on that list. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:03:04 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Towards NPDS 3, let's summarize >In order to work on the latter, I'd like to start compiling a list of >pages and web interfaces that each module would use, the various levels >of information hierarchy on those pages, and so forth. Indeed, this is what to start with. Please don't forget error pages (with permissions, we'll have at least 404, 403 and 500). Everything should wear the SiteSkin. >Oh, I'm so excited... All that is reasonable. Nobody asked for PHP support yet. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:09:19 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site Grant: >Maybe the npds.free.fr site is a more logical choice of venue. I gave the keys to Matt. And if anyone wants to work on the website, contact me, I'll give you the keys as well. Matt, tell me what you chose between the offers I made or Victor's or Grant's or whatever. >Matt, we can host your site on dev.newtontalk.net, which is specifically >for people doing Newton development. Mail webmaster@newtontalk.net (I >don't handle it, someone else does) and ask. Yup, I forgot this option. I checked, this address goes to Victor, Bill and me. And I'm responsible for dev and nug websites. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #74 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Sep 23 07:21:44 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 03:10:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #75 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20020923011052.4873872EBA_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 22 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 075 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:41:04 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Need a home for LightyearDesign web site From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> I think the best option is to host the NPDS portion of the old Lightyear Design site on npds.free.fr. I'll upload it soon and change the various redirects around the net to point to the new location. Thanks for all the great offers, guys. Matt On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 02:09 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Grant: >> Maybe the npds.free.fr site is a more logical choice of venue. > > I gave the keys to Matt. And if anyone wants to work on the website, > contact me, I'll give you the keys as well. > > Matt, tell me what you chose between the offers I made or Victor's or > Grant's or whatever. > >> Matt, we can host your site on dev.newtontalk.net, which is >> specifically >> for people doing Newton development. Mail webmaster@newtontalk.net (I >> don't handle it, someone else does) and ask. > > Yup, I forgot this option. I checked, this address goes to Victor, > Bill and me. And I'm responsible for dev and nug websites. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #75 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Sep 25 07:28:26 2002 X-Authentication-Warning: parked.vds2000.com: parked owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:11:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #76 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20020925011127.2F0BA72E2D_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 24 Sep 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 076 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: ProtoTCPServer Error 208148436 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] ProtoTCPServer Error 208148436 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:21:17 -0600 From: Grant [Unterminated] Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hi Paul. Here's an error I've never run across before. I'm assuming that it's part of the newer TCP code. The following message was on the screen this morning. The server was open, but not started. See screen dump: http://www.splorp.com/junk/screenprototcperror020924.gif I believe that these two BugTrap reports correspond to the error. Both are timestamped the same, so they occurred consecutively. http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$706.nsd http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$707.nsd I hope this helps. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:50:00 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: ProtoTCPServer Error 208148436 >Here's an error I've never run across before. I'm assuming that it's part >of the newer TCP code. Indeed. You shouldn't see that. ;) >I hope this helps. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to figure out what the problem was from your screen shots. This sounds like a bus error within NIE code. There was similar errors because of a bug but it was triggerred by a NewtonScript error that I saw in BugTrap logs. I'll try to find^Wmake the time to update the watcher so it reboots the Newton when it finds this kind of error messages that you're not supposed to see. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: ProtoTCPServer Error 208148436 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:22:15 -0600 From: "Grant [Off Broadway] Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Here's an error I've never run across before. I'm assuming that it's part >>of the newer TCP code. > >Indeed. You shouldn't see that. ;) Although there's a certain charm to having your error messages appear in French. :) >>I hope this helps. > >Unfortunately, I haven't been able to figure out what the problem was >from your screen shots. This sounds like a bus error within NIE code. >There was similar errors because of a bug but it was triggerred by a >NewtonScript error that I saw in BugTrap logs. >I'll try to find^Wmake the time to update the watcher so it reboots >the Newton when it finds this kind of error messages that you're not >supposed to see. I do not know whether it is applicable or not, but keep in mind that I am still using version 010ac of the Watcher and not the latest one. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #76 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Oct 05 18:44:48 2002 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #77 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021005011112.3AB9772E39_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 04 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 077 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.045 bugs Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:31:08 -0400 >What about putting the watcher on the memory card (and just the watcher)? > >Paul G. Humph. No - same thing. Reboots, but the inet cxn is dropped during the card pkg loading, and NPDS is up & running but w/o cxn, and then never reboots after that because there are no incoming queries to change its state. Paul F. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #77 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 08 07:31:44 2002 Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 03:11:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #78 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021008011143.79A5973119_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 07 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 078 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Package listing script with versions? [NPDS] Re: Package listing script with versions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:22:04 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Package listing script with versions? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Is it possible to include the version number of packages when using the package listing script? If so, what do you add to the script? -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:58:36 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Package listing script with versions? >Is it possible to include the version number of packages when using the >package listing script? > >If so, what do you add to the script? I haven't seen that script, but you can get the version integer slot from a package. There are two options. The package script iterates on the icons with the Extras Drawer. In that case, you don't have a package ref, but you have the package symbol. You need to figure out for each package on which store they are. And then, you get the reference to package ref with: local frame thePkgRef := GetPkgRef("symbol as string", <store>); Then you get the information about that package with: GetPkgRefInfo(thePkgRef); But this option is probably not what happens. If it is, it's not very easy to figure out which store the icon is on. The most probable design of the package list script is via GetPackages() method. This method returns pkgref info structures (what GetPkgRefInfo returns). And there is a slot called version. Now, please note that the version slot very rarely reflects the public version of the package. The first reason is that the version slot is an integer, not a float. The second reason is that one easily forgets to update the version slot, when one knows about it. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:44 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Package listing script with versions? À (At) 22:58 +0200 7/10/02, Paul Guyot écrivait (wrote) : [snip] mostly rubish gibberish. John, the documentation is in Prog. Ref. manual, pages 16-90 & 16-91 and 9-18 to 9-21. Feel free to post the script if you need help. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #78 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 09 08:02:09 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 03:11:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #79 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021009011127.948F272EA8_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 08 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 079 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:15:15 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Package listing script with versions? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Great! Thanks! I will post the script if I can get it working right! On 10/7/02 4:05 PM, "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: > À (At) 22:58 +0200 7/10/02, Paul Guyot écrivait (wrote) : > > [snip] mostly rubish gibberish. > > John, the documentation is in Prog. Ref. manual, pages 16-90 & 16-91 > and 9-18 to 9-21. > > Feel free to post the script if you need help. > > Paul -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:41:25 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I just received a "WebPage" from Paul Filmer and tried to reply to it. Nothing. This feature has been broken for a while now. Would it be hard to fix, or should this just wait until NPDS 3? -- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3? Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:10:20 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >I just received a "WebPage" from Paul Filmer and tried to reply to it. > >Nothing. > >This feature has been broken for a while now. Would it be hard to fix, or >should this just wait until NPDS 3? First we should determine whether WebPage appears broken because there's an installation or package problem, or if it appears broken because Paul Filmer's Newton went offline right after the sent the page. I've received recent WebPages and have been able to reply without a problem. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:02:16 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I haven't been able to reply to a web page in about a year. In that time I have rebuilt each of my Newtons several times. Oh course I always put NPDS, NetHopper and Newt's Cape on them. What version are you using of WebPager Grant? On 10/8/02 3:10 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > > First we should determine whether WebPage appears broken because there's > an installation or package problem, or if it appears broken because Paul > Filmer's Newton went offline right after the sent the page. > > I've received recent WebPages and have been able to reply without a > problem. > > g. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:09:14 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3? John Skinner wrote: > I haven't been able to reply to a web page in about a year. > > In that time I have rebuilt each of my Newtons several times. > > Oh course I always put NPDS, NetHopper and Newt's Cape on them. > Web*Pager requires urlCop to be installed in order for replies to work. See the Web*Pager documentation: http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/webpager.html Get urlCop here: http://www.rahul.net/flasheridn/urlcop/ -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] 40,000 hits and still ticking... Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:38:09 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Sometime last night, my NPDS sever hit the 40,000 mark. (I'm catching up to Paul and Paul...) That's 10,000 new hits in the past 6 weeks alone. Whoa! Just thought I'd share. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:49:52 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Reply to a "WebPage" is broken! - Maybe in NPDS 3? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Once again, I tell myself,... RTFM! Thanks Victor! On 10/8/02 4:09 PM, "Victor Rehorst" <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> wrote: > John Skinner wrote: >> I haven't been able to reply to a web page in about a year. >> >> In that time I have rebuilt each of my Newtons several times. >> >> Oh course I always put NPDS, NetHopper and Newt's Cape on them. >> > > Web*Pager requires urlCop to be installed in order for replies to work. See > the Web*Pager documentation: > > http://homepage.mac.com/LightyearDesign/NPDS/Manuals/docs202/english/webpager. > html > > Get urlCop here: > > http://www.rahul.net/flasheridn/urlcop/ > -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #79 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Oct 11 08:34:14 2002 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:11:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #80 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021011011127.B659E72E35_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 10 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 080 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS via SLIP [NPDS] Re: new and improved! [NPDS] Re: new and improved! [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:05:20 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] NPDS via SLIP From: March Hare <nospam_marchie_at_mac_dot_com> I'm trying to set up a Newton 130 via a Serial Line IP to my G4, to the internet. Does anyone have any experiance with this, or have suggestions? I'm setting up Jaguar (Mac OS X 10.2) as the SLIP server. ~Donald ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:27 +0200 From: "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS via SLIP On Jeu 10 oct 2002 March Hare wrote: >I'm trying to set up a Newton 130 via a Serial Line IP to my G4, to the >internet. > >Does anyone have any experiance with this, or have suggestions? Start with connecting to the internet via SLIP, then setup NPDS. The public IP field in the tracker client must be your G4's and you need to enable port forwarding from the G4 to the Newton. Paul -- This wirelessly-sent message was pen-written. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:57:00 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] new and improved! From: Claessens <nospam_lt_dan_at_alltel_dot_net> http://www.mymacs.net:2110 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:55:54 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Re: new and improved! Claessens wrote: > http://www.mymacs.net:2110 > Hey! Nice new template! I'm impressed! -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: new and improved! Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:04:19 -0400 Eye candy in an otherwise 16-bit green world -----Original Message----- Claessens wrote: > http://www.mymacs.net:2110 ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:31:02 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hey Paul. What did you end up doing to get your NPDS server back up and running decently? It's nice to see you listed on the trackers again. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:36:21 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? À (At) 13:31 -0600 10/10/02, Grant Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >What did you end up doing to get your NPDS server back up and running >decently? It's nice to see you listed on the trackers again. Yes, I was about to ask this as well. You seem to have nHTTPd 2.045 as mentioned here: http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$48.nsd And you mention the latest watcher. Did the problems disapear, or I should make one or two hours to work on it? (right now, I need to make time to sleep). Anyway, glad to see you back. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:19:58 -0400 Umm... err... well... shuffle. I left it alone for a while. I am actually in the office today, so I can sit here and reset manually, so that is why you can see the site. If I step out (to the bathroom) it is alive but unconnected when I return. I do have the latest modules installed. I simply de-activated Watcher, and that obviously solved the frequent resets. BTW, the search function seems to generate the "fin du serveur" - or at least searching for "virii" on mine does... Hmm. I see a white van with a sniper rifle sticking out, so I better put my flak jacket on. DUCK! -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Guyot [mailto:pguyot@kallisys.net] À (At) 13:31 -0600 10/10/02, Grant Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >What did you end up doing to get your NPDS server back up and running >decently? It's nice to see you listed on the trackers again. Yes, I was about to ask this as well. You seem to have nHTTPd 2.045 as mentioned here: http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$48.nsd And you mention the latest watcher. Did the problems disapear, or I should make one or two hours to work on it? (right now, I need to make time to sleep). Anyway, glad to see you back. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel <nospam_tech_ed_at_yahoo_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? You know...it's interesting that you say that... I too was having problems with my NPDS server crashing on a regular basis. At least once per day, often more... it got so bad that all I could run was just the NPDS server. The Watcher and the Tracker caused '61 errors. Now? All of a sudden it works! I didn't change ANY of the files...they are all the same versions...but I am now able to run the NPDS and the Watcher! I still can't run the Tracker, but my server's been serving smoothly for almost a week! (of course, it's going to crash now...) One thing though...now when it crashes...it crashes HARD! It crashes so hard, that a reboot will not work. I've got to remove all power for about 5 minutes...then, and only then will it come back to life. Oh well, weekly maintenance is better than daily! PS, I'm in Ashburn...on one of the main roads that goes between MD and Manassas! You know for a fact that the shooter drove past the AOL and Worldcom campus's on his way to Manassas! I guess he's not bothered by corporate greed! Ed (Happy October Fest!) web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> wrote: > Umm... err... well... shuffle. > > I left it alone for a while. I am actually in the > office today, so I can > sit here and reset manually, so that is why you can > see the site. If I step > out (to the bathroom) it is alive but unconnected > when I return. I do have > the latest modules installed. > > I simply de-activated Watcher, and that obviously > solved the frequent > resets. > > BTW, the search function seems to generate the "fin > du serveur" - or at > least searching for "virii" on mine does... > > Hmm. I see a white van with a sniper rifle sticking > out, so I better put my > flak jacket on. DUCK! > > -- > Dr. Paul E. Filmer ===== "Bush, himself the most intellectually backward American president of my political lifetime, is surrounded by advisers whose bellicosity is exceeded only by their political, military and diplomatic illiteracy," - Gerald Kaufman, a lawmaker from the governing British Labor Party __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:04:32 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: So, how'd you do it Mr Filmer? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I had problems too when I first installed all of the newest packages from the http://npds.free.fr/ website. It wouldn't connect or nHTTPd Would run but it wouldn't answer requests. Now, I everything works great and I haven't touched either of my Newtons for days and they stay up! I have all the latest versions of everything installed and everything works! The Tracker, the Watcher everything! On 10/10/02 2:31 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > Hey Paul. > > What did you end up doing to get your NPDS server back up and running > decently? It's nice to see you listed on the trackers again. > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys > > Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ > Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ > Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ > Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #80 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 23 07:58:56 2002 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:11:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #81 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021023011124.152C072E18_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 22 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 081 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Listing most recent whiteboard notes? Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:11:56 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> What is the easiest way to create a list of the most recent notes posted using the whiteboard? I'd like to show the 5 or 10 newest notes on my NPDS home page and move the full <POST_LIST> to another page. Is there any way to script this in order to create an SSI function? Or do I have to manually edit a separate note to refer to the individual posts? g. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:25:38 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? >What is the easiest way to create a list of the most recent notes posted >using the whiteboard? I'd like to show the 5 or 10 newest notes on my >NPDS home page and move the full <POST_LIST> to another page. Is there >any way to script this in order to create an SSI function? Yes. It's exactly what I do on my Newton. >Or do I have >to manually edit a separate note to refer to the individual posts? Pfff. You've got time to waste. The Newton almost sleeps the whole day and you want to do it yourself? You need to replace '|NPDSBoard| by the actual symbol of your posted notes folder. You might also change count to 4 and 3 (as in len < 3) to 5. // Récupère la liste des 3 derniers messages. func(NullVariable) begin // 1-Récupération de la liste des messages. // Tableau avec les entrées. local array entrées := []; // Curseur sur la soupe. local frame curseur := GetUnionSoup("Notes"):query({tagspec: {equal: ['|NPDSBoard|]}, indexPath: 'timestamp}); // On cycle parmi les entrées. local frame entrée := curseur:entry(); while( entrée ) do begin // On l'ajoute. addarrayslot(entrées, entrée); // Au suivant! entrée := curseur:next(); end; // 2-Extraction des plus récents. // Je ne vais quand même pas trier à la main, non? entrées:= sort(entrées, '|>|, 'timestamp); // Par défaut, pas de note disponible. local string theResult := "<p><b>No post present.</b></p>\n"; // Combien en ai-je? local int len := length( entrées ); if (length( entrées ) > 0) then begin // Zoli entête. theResult := "<p><b>Most recent posts:</b></p>\n<ul>\n"; // Je peux en avoir moins de 3. local int count := 2; if (len < 3) then count := len - 1; for index_p := 0 to count do begin // Je récupère l'entrée. entrée := entrées[ index_p ]; // J'ai besoin de son titre. local string titre := entrée.title; // Si le visiteur a été flemmard, il faut générer // un titre bidon. if not StrFilled(titre) then titre := "Note:" && ShortDate(entrée.timeStamp); // Et hop, un élément de plus dans la liste. theResult := theResult & " <li><a href=\"/html/" & NumberStr(EntryStore(entrée).signature) & "$" & NumberStr(entrée._uniqueID) & ".nsd\">" & titre & "</a>\n"; end; // Fin de la liste. theResult := theResult & "</ul>"; end; end Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #81 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 24 17:46:49 2002 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #82 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021024011139.1B67272E14_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 23 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 082 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:50:50 -0600 From: Grant [Self Inflating] Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >> Or do I have to manually edit a separate note to refer to the >> individual posts? > > Pfff. You've got time to waste. The Newton almost sleeps the whole > day and you want to do it yourself? A guy has got to have a hobby... > You need to replace '|NPDSBoard| by the actual symbol of your posted > notes folder. You might also change count to 4 and 3 (as in len < 3) > to 5. > > // RÈcupËre la liste des 3 derniers messages. > func(NullVariable) > begin > ... Yep, this is exactly what I needed to play with... except for all that foreign language stuff. Je ne vais, indeed! ;) Thanks Paul. I'll give it a try. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #82 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 27 08:49:43 2002 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:10:54 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #83 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021027021054.E699D72E12_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 26 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 083 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:48:02 -0600 From: Grant [Self Inflating] Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >You need to replace '|NPDSBoard| by the actual symbol of your posted >notes folder. You might also change count to 4 and 3 (as in len < 3) >to 5. Ok, I've been playing with this script, but I'm stuck. Is the "actual symbol" of the posted notes folder simply the name of the folder? Or am I missing something? When I replace '|NPDSBoard| with '|Whiteboard| I get a NewtonScript error: "evt.ex.fr.type,type.ref.frame". Do I need to specific or reference something else? I've tried all sort of variations attempting to reference my Whiteboard folder. Still trying to learn NS... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:00:49 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? > >You need to replace '|NPDSBoard| by the actual symbol of your posted >>notes folder. You might also change count to 4 and 3 (as in len < 3) >>to 5. > >Ok, I've been playing with this script, but I'm stuck. Is the "actual >symbol" of the posted notes folder simply the name of the folder? Usually, yes. In fact, if you have accents, it would have unicode escape sequences. And if it was created with a name and then renamed, it might keep the old name, I don't recall exactly. Sorry, this script was quickly written when I used to take my webserver with me during half-boring classes. >Or am I >missing something? When I replace '|NPDSBoard| with '|Whiteboard| I get a >NewtonScript error: "evt.ex.fr.type,type.ref.frame". You found a problem with the script editor. It doesn't give much information about the exceptions. I thought, let's fix that. So I opened the editor project. I then thought, ok, let's start with the fact that it doesn't cover the full screen. I fixed that. (you can find it on the npds website, it's script editor 2.01). And then I realized that showing more information was in fact the matter of the core. So I've updated nHTTPd to 2.046 as well. Please note that if you put a wrong symbol in there, there shouldn't be any exception. If you update and try evaluate, we'll know more about your issue. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Listing most recent whiteboard notes? Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:13:48 -0600 From: Grant [Self Inflating] Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Sorry, this script was quickly written when I used to take my >webserver with me during half-boring classes. Well, it looks like the problem wasn't your script, but my translation of your French variable and array names into something more English. I obviously mistyped something because your original script works fine. >You found a problem with the script editor. It doesn't give much >information about the exceptions. Well, I do get them now. And the error was a -48401 (expected an array). This pointed me to the fact that my translated array names weren't as exact as they should have been. >I thought, let's fix that. So I opened the editor project. I then >thought, ok, let's start with the fact that it doesn't cover the full >screen. I fixed that. (you can find it on the npds website, it's >script editor 2.01). And then I realized that showing more >information was in fact the matter of the core. So I've updated >nHTTPd to 2.046 as well. The only other thing that's a problem with the script editor is that you can't scroll down all the way to the end of long scripts (like the recent post script). I have to copy and paste the script between notes in order to properly edit it. Having a select all button would be useful too. Or else being able to reference a script that exists in a note. Anyway, things are working now and I can go ahead a customize the script a bit. Thanks Paul. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #83 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 29 06:40:23 2002 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:11:44 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #84 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021029021144.6E9D473159_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 28 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 084 In This Issue: [NPDS] Misato tracker might be going down this aft. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Misato tracker might be going down this aft. As I left home after lunch today, the cable guy was out messing with a street box right in front of my house. He said they were burying a new line for my neighbours next door, and while they were at it were going to replace the line to my house as well. (Thanks for the notice!) As a consequence, misato.chuma.org and guelph.unna.org might be down for a while this afternoon. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #84 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Oct 30 07:06:00 2002 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #85 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021030021122.D25D572E00_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 29 Oct 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 085 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: FW: Package version listing script problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:35:59 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] FW: Package version listing script problems From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I know that this list isn't a training course for newbie NewtScript programmers, but I wanted a hint. I'm working on trying to learn NewtScript (I'm far behind Grant). As my first project I've taken on adding a version number for the package listing script. If any of you could go to my "Node 2" NPDS server and click on the Installed Packages" link you'll see the error that I get. Does anyone know what this error means? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:38:34 -0500 (EST) From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Re: FW: Package version listing script problems On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Skinner wrote: > I know that this list isn't a training course for newbie NewtScript > programmers, but I wanted a hint. > > I'm working on trying to learn NewtScript (I'm far behind Grant). As my > first project I've taken on adding a version number for the package listing > script. > > If any of you could go to my "Node 2" NPDS server and click on the Installed > Packages" link you'll see the error that I get. That really doesn't tell you anything. (Actually, it just tells you that the NewtonScript compiler couldn't compile it. Duh.) Post the script and then we can have a go at it. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: FW: Package version listing script problems Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:09:46 -0700 From: "Grant [Save Changes] Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >I'm working on trying to learn NewtScript (I'm far behind Grant). >As my first project I've taken on adding a version number for the >package listing script. Oh, if you only knew how little I actually know about NewtonScript... I was actually trying to do the same thing last, but keep running into a problem where the script didn't know how to handle the version data. IIRC it had something to do with integer variables trying to access array elements. I'll see if I can dig up my version of the script too. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #85 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Nov 24 03:15:14 2002 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 03:11:08 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #86 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021124021108.559EA72F40_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 23 Nov 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 086 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Now that's a package reporting script! Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:12:05 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Thank to Paul G., this thing kicks package butt. http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/packages g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:05:34 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Where to find NPDS source now? From: Jim Witte <nospam_jswitte_at_bloomington.in_dot_us> Where is the NPDS source mirrored, as the Lightyeardesign page is gone (Apple decided it didn't really want Newton web server software hosted on it's pages??) Jim ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Where to find NPDS source now? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:31:29 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Jim Witte typed vigorously: >Where is the NPDS source mirrored, as the Lightyeardesign page is >gone (Apple decided it didn't really want Newton web server software >hosted on it's pages??) The source is where its been for quite a while now... on the site the Paul, Victor, and Adam Tow set up: http://npds.free.fr/ As for the old Lightyear site, here is what Matt Vaughn had to say about it disappearing back in September: >Hi all. With the discontinuation of free mac.com web pages, I am in >need of a home for the Lightyear Design web site, totalling around 6M >in size. My first instinct is to move it to a subdirectory of the >npds.free.fr site, but this of course would require Paul's assent and >cooperation. Eventually, all of the original content from Matt's NPDS site will be hosted on npds.free.fr - it's just a matter of time for Matt to get things moved over. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:52:38 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! À (At) 20:12 -0700 22/11/02, Grant [Cut Here] Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >Thank to Paul G., this thing kicks package butt. > >http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/packages Whether it is the id or the pssid, this id depends on the store on your Newton. I even think that if you do a backup/restore cycle, this ID will change. The creation date or compression rate would be more interesting ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:01:40 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/packages > >Whether it is the id or the pssid, this id depends on the store >on your Newton. I even think that if you do a backup/restore cycle, >this ID will change. The creation date or compression rate would >be more interesting ;) Of course, you're right again. :) I decided to get rid of the version number (which is fairly useless) and the id number (which, as you mentioned will change) and added the creation date instead. One thing I have noticed with the creation date, is that certain packages (specifically backdrops with the 'drds' copyright string) have a 6 digit value in the creation date frame. All of the other packages use an 8 digit value. You'll notice that the creation dates for those packages all say that they were created in the year 2005 (or is that 1905?). Is there an easy way to pick out these shorter values and convert them using DateNTime() differently? Another observation: Some of the copyright strings use high-ASCII characters, but they do not appear correctly on the page served up in NPDS. For example: '©1998 Softwarebüro Müller. All rights reserved.' Appears as: '©1998 Softwarebro Mller. All rights reserved.' Is there a simple function that will escape these characters in the string prior to writing them out as html? Thanks again for your help Paul. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:43:27 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> Grant (and all others interested in using those funny high-ASCII characters with NPDS), This is happening because the newton character set is Unicode while the standard for the web is ISO-8859-1. Try using a soup editor to change the 'mime' slot of the NPDS preferences frame from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 or UTF-7 and see if that helps. Explanation: When NPDS was first developed, IE 4 was the most advanced browser and had only basic unicode support. Netscape 4.7 was a train wreck, by comparison. I set the encoding to ISO-8859-1 because for the most part, it worked to display high ASCII characters. One thing I was planning on was developing a translator that would convert Unicode characters to their HTML-escaped forms but that approach, I believe, is obsolete. Now that we have HTML 4.0-compliant browsers such as Mozilla, Netscape 7, Chimera, Opera, and various IE flavors, you should be able to view Newton's Unicode characters by altering the encoding in the HTTP header. Updating the mime slot will (or should at least) do that. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:52:22 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! À (At) 12:43 -0500 23/11/02, Matt Vaughn écrivait (wrote) : >Grant (and all others interested in using those funny high-ASCII >characters with NPDS), > >This is happening because the newton character set is Unicode while >the standard for the web is ISO-8859-1. Try using a soup editor to >change the 'mime' slot of the NPDS preferences frame from ISO-8859-1 >to UTF-8 or UTF-7 and see if that helps. Actually, NPDS uses NIE string transfer. NIE converts Unicode to MacRoman. Tell NPDS to do MacRoman (this is in the preferences). It will only fail with NetHopper. It's what I do on my own Newton, so dates in French appear properly. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:56:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! À (At) 10:01 -0700 23/11/02, Grant Hutchinson écrivait (wrote) : >I decided to get rid of the version number (which is fairly useless) and >the id number (which, as you mentioned will change) and added the >creation date instead. One thing I have noticed with the creation date, >is that certain packages (specifically backdrops with the 'drds' >copyright string) have a 6 digit value in the creation date frame. I think they're books, aren't they? So I first thought it was the date the user put in NewtonPress. But it may instead be some kind of bug in NewtonPress or that we don't interpret this properly. I don't know any other Newton format that would give us 6 digits dates. There are many formats of dates, but only two are usable in NewtonScript: seconds since 1993 or something like this minutes since 1904 Other formats are internal (because they span on more than 28 bits). >Is there an easy way to pick out these shorter values >and convert them using DateNTime() differently? I don't know what these values actually mean. I'll try to look at what GNUE's package info says about these packages. >Is there a simple function that will escape these characters in the >string prior to writing them out as html? If you write éèçà in a Note, you'll get that problem as well. Set the encoding to x-mac-roman, either in NPDS or in your package page. >Thanks again for your help Paul. My pleasure. Will you share the full script with us? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:46:49 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> What? I had no idea NIE did that conversion! That explains a lot of issues I encountered. I suppose a good reading of the NIE docs would have helped me in this respect but it never occurred to me that the network layer would alter the stream of data being sent. In a perfect world, I guess one would call this a design flaw, but if you consider that Unicode was NOT a widely accepted standard on the Internet as recently as 2.5 years ago, it's actually a nice bit of Apple genius to have included that functionality. Regarding x-mac-roman encoding, do you find that this approach works with Windows and X-windows based browsers? If not, then the proper thing to do would be to try to force NIE to NOT do the conversion, send raw unicode characters, and set the encoding to UTF-8. The end result SHOULD be perfect character display of even non-Roman fonts (such as Cyrillic, Big5 Chinese, Japanese, and so on). Matt On Saturday, November 23, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Paul Guyot wrote: >> This is happening because the newton character set is Unicode while >> the standard for the web is ISO-8859-1. Try using a soup editor to >> change the 'mime' slot of the NPDS preferences frame from ISO-8859-1 >> to UTF-8 or UTF-7 and see if that helps. > > Actually, NPDS uses NIE string transfer. NIE converts Unicode to > MacRoman. Tell NPDS to do MacRoman (this is in the preferences). It > will only fail with NetHopper. It's what I do on my own Newton, so > dates in French appear properly. -- Matthew W. Vaughn, Ph.D. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory 1 Bungtown Road Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724 "Reisner's Rule of Conceptual Inertia: If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it." ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:58:48 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >> One thing I have noticed with the creation date, is that certain >> packages (specifically backdrops with the 'drds' copyright string) >> have a 6 digit value in the creation date frame. > >I think they're books, aren't they? So I first thought it was the >date the user put in NewtonPress. But it may instead be some kind of >bug in NewtonPress or that we don't interpret this properly. I don't >know any other Newton format that would give us 6 digits dates. It must be a bug. At first I though it may have been the format I used to enter the date in the books I created, but then I recalled that NewtonPress wouldn't allow different formatting in the field other than what was specified in the manual (MMM, DD YYYY). Likewise, books created by other folks seem to have the same issue. >> This is happening because the newton character set is Unicode while >> the standard for the web is ISO-8859-1. Try using a soup editor to >> change the 'mime' slot of the NPDS preferences frame from ISO-8859-1 >> to UTF-8 or UTF-7 and see if that helps. > >Actually, NPDS uses NIE string transfer. NIE converts Unicode to >MacRoman. Tell NPDS to do MacRoman (this is in the preferences). It >will only fail with NetHopper. It's what I do on my own Newton, so >dates in French appear properly. I forgot that I could globally set the encoding in NPDS. Thanks for the tip. The characters display fine in Mac IE 5.x, NS 6.x, NS 7.x, Mozilla, and NS 4.x (although the CSS is completely fux0rd in NS 4 anyway...) Window IE 5 under Win98 doesn't handle the new encoding properly, neither does IE 6 under WinXP. I was reading a bit on UTF encoding, and switching to it could cause even more issues with folks browsing on platforms that do not support Unicode at the OS-level. In fact, setting the NPDS to UTF-7 or UTF-8 makes no difference in IE 6. In fact, the character display as undefined boxes. Yikes. See, this is why I'd like to convert the high-ASCII characters to entities on the fly... what a mess. I think I'll stick with MacRoman encoding so at least things look good for Mac OS users. >Will you share the full script with us? Indeed. I'll post it in a separate message. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] getPackageExtras script Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:28:31 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> The formatting is a bit off, but you get the idea. http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/getPackageExtras g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #86 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Nov 25 06:32:30 2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:11:24 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #87 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021125021124.E13D072F48_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 24 Nov 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 087 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:14:41 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Now that's a package reporting script! À (At) 13:46 -0500 23/11/02, Matt Vaughn écrivait (wrote) : >What? I had no idea NIE did that conversion! That explains a lot of >issues I encountered. I suppose a good reading of the NIE docs would >have helped me in this respect but it never occurred to me that the >network layer would alter the stream of data being sent. In a >perfect world, I guess one would call this a design flaw, but if you >consider that Unicode was NOT a widely accepted standard on the >Internet as recently as 2.5 years ago, it's actually a nice bit of >Apple genius to have included that functionality. Actually, you have to recall that NIE uses NewtonOS communication layer which was fundamentally designed to hook a Newton to a Mac. >Regarding x-mac-roman encoding, do you find that this approach works >with Windows and X-windows based browsers? If not, then the proper >thing to do would be to try to force NIE to NOT do the conversion, >send raw unicode characters, and set the encoding to UTF-8. The end >result SHOULD be perfect character display of even non-Roman fonts >(such as Cyrillic, Big5 Chinese, Japanese, and so on). Matt, NewtonOS doesn't do UTF-8. It does UCS-2 (today replaced by UTF-16) which is 16 bits per character. You need to transform the data back and forth to 8 bits per character with UTF-8. We can't force NIE to not do the conversion. If we could anyway, we give NIE Unicode 16 bits strings and the client expects 8 bits strings. If NIE just truncates the words and keep the lower byte, we get ISO-8859-1. SimpleMail transfers data as an array of integers to avoid NIE's conversion. NewtsCape does the same for other reasons when the data's size isn't known. Anyway, NIE has a lot of design flaws because of the bad use of the communication layer. The best would be to replace that by native calls. With native calls, you don't have conversion at all. So you can take the unicode data, look if it is pure ISO-8859-1 or not, if it's not convert it to UTF-8 and send it to the client. This is called NPDS 3.x. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #87 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 07 03:26:56 2002 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 03:12:17 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #88 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021207021217.D5CB472F6C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 05 Dec 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 088 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:03:49 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] nHTML 1.2 beta 1 -- 12/5/2002 From: Adam Tow <nospam_adam_at_tow_dot_com> Everyone: I've been experimenting again with NPDS now that I've finally got my Ethernet and wireless cards working on my Newtons. Since I do quite a bit of web design these days, I thought that I'd revisit nHTML. I took a version that was slightly modified by Ken Hagler and updated it this evening. ===================== What's New or Changed ===================== 1) Smaller screen real-estate used. If you edit HTML in landscape mode, you can "replace" the Button Bar with nHTML by moving it over the Button Bar. nHTML will fit exactly over the Button Bar, allowing you to see the entire screen when in Notes or Works. 2) Added preference to close singular tags with the " />". This is good if you're coding to any of the XHTML document types. 3) Added DocumentType button. Choose from XHTML 1.1, XHTML 1.0 Transitional, XHTML 1.0 Frameset, XHTML 1.0 Strict, HTML 4.01 Transitional, HTML 4.01 Frameset, HTML 4.01 Strict, HTML 3.2, or Compact HTML 2.0. 4) Removed the "http://" from the base element input line in the Document slip. 5) Tags are now in lowercase. 6) Added <div> and <span> buttons. 7) Added class, id, and style elements for <p>, <div>, <span>. 8) Added NPDS picker to input special tags like <pager>, <note_list>, <calendar>, etc. 9) Cleaned up the toolbar, removing features that never worked (i.e. FTP, Convert to HTML), or that people shouldn't be using anymore (i.e. <blink>). 10) Added id element to <img> tag. 11) nHTML no longer minimizes when you open a dialog. Now that the app is much smaller, it didn't make sense anymore to constantly be minimizing and expanding. 12) Other minor fixes and additions. ========== Next Steps ========== I'm planning on revising the List, Table, Form, and Style forms next, making them inline with most of the functionality of the HTML Palette in BBEdit 7.01. I'm also planning on making it possible to add your own tags to the list (i.e. changed the Entity popup to Custom). This way, you can extend the functionality of nHTML without having to update the application itself. ======== Download ======== Here's the non-public page for the application. I'll make it live when the software is released to the public, but you can download it now to test it out. http://www.tow.com/software/nhtml/ Let me know what you think of the new version or if you have suggestions on making the application better! Thanks and enjoy! -adam -- Adam Tow <nospam_adam_at_tow_dot_com> tow.com <http://www.tow.com> Tomorrow begins today. ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTML 1.2 beta 1 -- 12/5/2002 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:08:17 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hey Adam. >I've been experimenting again with NPDS now that I've finally got my >Ethernet and wireless cards working on my Newtons. Since I do quite a >bit of web design these days, I thought that I'd revisit nHTML. I took >a version that was slightly modified by Ken Hagler and updated it this >evening. This rocks. You've implemented all of the changes I had been gradually adding to my version of the nHTML source, as well as a whole pile of other standards-compliant loveliness. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I start playing with it and let you know if there are any glitches. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #88 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Dec 13 03:23:19 2002 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:12:20 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #89 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021213021220.677E372E34_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 12 Dec 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 089 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] http://come.to/lightyear_media Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:06:40 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hey Matt. Would you be able to change the redirect on your http://come.to/lightyear_media account to point to the npds.free.fr server for the time being? It would be great if we could have all those footer links in NPDS point to the development site instead of the defunct homepage.mac.com page for the time being. Just wondering. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:31:16 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: http://come.to/lightyear_media From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> Grant, I had forgotten about that link in all the NPDS-generated pages. However, it's taken care of now -- the changes should manifest within a few hours. Let me know if there are further problems with it. In fact, I could transfer ownership of that redirect to someone more involved in NPDS development. Matt ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: http://come.to/lightyear_media Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:52:29 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Matt Vaughn typed vigorously: >I had forgotten about that link in all the NPDS-generated pages. >However, it's taken care of now -- the changes should manifest within a >few hours. Let me know if there are further problems with it. In fact, >I could transfer ownership of that redirect to someone more involved in >NPDS development. I'd be more than happy to handle that for now. I'm going to be updating the NPDS dev site (cleaning out the dead links and mirroring some related information) and doing general maintenance. Paul gave me the keys to the car this week... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: http://come.to/lightyear_media From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" <nospam_chuma_at_misato.chuma_dot_org> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:03:51 -0500 Awesome. Please re-write the awful page I made - about the only thing it's got going for it is that it's valid HTML 2.0 :) I wrote it in an hour at work this summer.... -Victor Original Message: ----------------- From: Grant Hutchinson grant@splorp.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:52:29 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: http://come.to/lightyear_media I'd be more than happy to handle that for now. I'm going to be updating the NPDS dev site (cleaning out the dead links and mirroring some related information) and doing general maintenance. Paul gave me the keys to the car this week... ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #89 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 14 03:23:20 2002 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:12:18 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V3 #90 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20021214021218.1E3C3730CA_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 13 Dec 2002 Volume: 03 Issue: 090 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@BinarySer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: http://come.to/lightyear_media Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:51:52 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, chuma@misato.chuma.org typed vigorously: >Awesome. Please re-write the awful page I made - about the only thing >it's got going for it is that it's valid HTML 2.0 :) I wrote it in an >hour at work this summer.... And it's a lovely, functional page. Other than a bit of sprucing up and cleaning out the dead links, I'm probably not going to do too much to it for a few weeks yet. Well... maybe a bit of XHTML and CSS sprinkled here and there. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:14:19 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary Server" store? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Hey, A while back I had messed with this and figured it all out. Now I've lost all my old email messages back and forth with Paul Guyot about this. I had even created a little "cheat sheet" on how to do this (lost also). Does anyone have notes on how to add another binary to the "Binaries@Binary Server" store? If not, anyone willing to type one up? Any help would be greatly appreciated! ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@Binary Server store? From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" <nospam_chuma_at_misato.chuma_dot_org> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:03:10 -0500 I was once writing a program to automate transferring things to the Binaries soup via Sloup. I'll dig it up this weekend.. -Victor Original Message: ----------------- From: John Skinner john@johnskinner.net Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:14:19 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary Server" store? Hey, A while back I had messed with this and figured it all out. Now I've lost all my old email messages back and forth with Paul Guyot about this. I had even created a little "cheat sheet" on how to do this (lost also). Does anyone have notes on how to add another binary to the "Binaries@Binary Server" store? If not, anyone willing to type one up? ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:47:44 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@Binary From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 12/13/02 11:03 AM, "chuma@misato.chuma.org" <nospam_chuma_at_misato.chuma_dot_org> wrote: > I was once writing a program to automate transferring things to the Binaries > soup via Sloup. I'll dig it up this weekend.. > Wow! That would be a great tool Victor! Might even be able to tweak the packages to save it's binary to the "Binary Server" store! -- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary Server" stor Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:54:37 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > Does anyone have notes on how to add another binary to the "Binaries@Binary > Server" store? If not, anyone willing to type one up? Once we document processes and NPDS tips like this, I want to make sure we post them to the NPDS dev site. This way we can start maintaining a repository of help files and tutorials supporting the fruits of out labor. Of course, all the documentation will change once NPDS 3.0 comes out... ;) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:00:34 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 12/13/02 11:54 AM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > Once we document processes and NPDS tips like this, I want to make sure > we post them to the NPDS dev site. This way we can start maintaining a > repository of help files and tutorials supporting the fruits of out > labor. Of course, all the documentation will change once NPDS 3.0 comes > out... ;) Yeah, but it would give a good history for anyone else to be able to read. P.S. Is there already a NPDS dev site that has help files (other that the temp defunct Lightyear site)? -- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary Server"store Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:15:01 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >Is there already a NPDS dev site that has help files >(other that the temp defunct Lightyear site)? Nope. Not that I know of. However, I'm going to start moving all of Matt's old documentation over to npds.free.fr for the time being. Stay tuned for some groovy dev site updates. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@BinaryServer store? From: "chuma@misato.chuma.org" <nospam_chuma_at_misato.chuma_dot_org> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:14:56 -0500 Before you get your hopes up, let me state that I wrote it in Visual Basic, so this ain't gonna be running on a Mac anytime soon. And serial-only, of course. But IIRC it did work on most small files. Automatically set the MIME type slot in its entry and everything. -Victor Original Message: ----------------- From: John Skinner john@johnskinner.net Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:47:44 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@BinaryServer store? Wow! That would be a great tool Victor! Might even be able to tweak the packages to save it's binary to the "Binary Server" store! ------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been posted from Mail2Web http://www.mail2web.com/ Web Hosting for $9.95 per month! Visit: http://www.yourhosting.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:42:32 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 12/13/02 2:14 PM, "chuma@misato.chuma.org" <nospam_chuma_at_misato.chuma_dot_org> wrote: > Before you get your hopes up, let me state that I wrote it in Visual Basic, so > this ain't gonna be running on a Mac anytime soon. And serial-only, of > course. But IIRC it did work on most small files. Automatically set the MIME > type slot in its entry and everything. > If it does what you say, then that is awesome! It doesn't matter to me whether it is on Mac, PC or Linux. I have all those and it would beat copying and pasting by hand all that hex code! P.S. Did it not work on large files (what do you consider small)? -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:44:34 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to "Binaries@Binary From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 12/13/02 12:15 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >> Is there already a NPDS dev site that has help files >> (other that the temp defunct Lightyear site)? > > Nope. Not that I know of. However, I'm going to start moving all of > Matt's old documentation over to npds.free.fr for the time being. Stay > tuned for some groovy dev site updates. > Great! I've been following the dialogs between you and Matt about a home for the old lightyear site. I miss being able to do my regular browsing of the NPDS manual! -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:56:51 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: How-to for adding binaries to Binaries@BinaryServer À (At) 15:42 -0600 13/12/02, John Skinner écrivait (wrote) : >P.S. Did it not work on large files (what do you consider small)? NPDS binary server currently sends the whole binary to the network at once. So if you have a too large binary, it will fail anyway. John, I probably have the messages we exchanged if Victor doesn't find his tool. Grant, I also have the archives of the NPDS mailing list. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V3 #90 *************************