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Thu Jan 30 03:12:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 29202 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2003 02:11:47 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 30 Jan 2003 02:11:47 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id CB317BCE; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:13:04 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A07BBA for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:13:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7B73115; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #14 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 29 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 014 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:19:16 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson I'm starting to think we need a catchier tagline for the NPDS site. The current one is just something I spat out while in the throws of tweaking and editing the existing NPDS home page. "Putting a web server in the palm of your hand." It's a bit bland, if you ask me. Matt used the phrase "Serve different." on the original NPDS documentation pages, but this is really just a continuation of the old Maxum Development program back in the mid-90's evangelizing the running of Mac-based web servers. http://tinyurl.com/513v We need our own thing. Something that will not only look good as the tagline for the website, but something that will look equally stunning (not to mention intelligent) on a t-shirt, for example. How about... "Yes, that is a web server in my pocket." Any other bright ideas? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:48:40 -0800 From: Dale Steele Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? How about "Newton, serve differently!" or "NPDS, Newton web serving to go!" Now if I could only get mine going again..... Dale > > > "Yes, that is a web server in my pocket." > >Any other bright ideas? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:49:24 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? From: Jim Witte > "Yes, that is a web server in my pocket." I like it.. When was NPDS's first version done? How about, "Serve a webpage from the palm of hand.. In 1998 (or whatever)." This would only work really well if the date was before Palm came out (at least before any webserver for Palm came out, if there even is one). In any case, it might be a little obscure. It would be nicer if you could say "Serve a webpage from inside your pocket. In 1998." Except that the WaveLan driver didn't come along until recently (I assume NPDS will work over WaveLan). But anyway, "Serve a webpage from inside your pocket" would be good with the 'inside' in italics. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:42:14 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change From: Claessens Mymacs.net updates to port 3680 29 JAN 03 On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 05:08 PM, Victor Rehorst wrote: > > Since the IANA saw fit to give us our own TCP port, I've moved the > misato tracker onto this port as well as upgrading to the latest > tracker server version (0.1.31). > > Grant, if you could make this minor change to the NPDS home page that > would be peachy. > > Everyone, change your tracker clients to connect to port 3680! > > -- > ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | > chuma@chuma.org------ > ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: > http://www.unna.org ---- > -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org > ------------- > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:06:55 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? From: Matt Vaughn "Turn your Newton into a mean, green, web-serving machine." On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 11:19 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > I'm starting to think we need a catchier tagline for the NPDS site. The > current one is just something I spat out while in the throws of > tweaking > and editing the existing NPDS home page. > > "Putting a web server in the palm of your hand." ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:28:54 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey Dan. >Mymacs.net updates to port 3680 29 JAN 03 I've updated the URLs on the NPDS development site. Thank you. By the way, there seems to be a bunch of broken images on your tracker page. Did you remove images from your www.mymacs.com server? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:53:00 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change À (At) 1:42 -0800 29/01/03, Claessens écrivait (wrote) : >Mymacs.net updates to port 3680 29 JAN 03 Great. Could you please update your .ini file to tell your tracker to share records with (i.e. to go and retrieve records from) npds-tracker.continuity.cx, port 3680 instead of shakti.continuity.cx port 2110 as it currently does? Thanks. Shakti is expected to be shut down soon. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:59:53 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Matt Vaughn typed vigorously: >"Turn your Newton into a mean, green, web-serving machine." "The server is always greener on the other side." Unless you've splurged on a Frozen Newton. Heh. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #14 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jan 04 03:25:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 29637 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 02:11:22 -0000 Received: from musique.teaser.net (213.91.2.11) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 02:11:22 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8CC7252A for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id 8195320F46; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 4180.070; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:11:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874FE72529 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:11:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id A56C6175EF; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:11:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268E6175E9 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AB972F30; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:11:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 04 Jan 2003 03:11:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 03:11:13 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #1 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 03 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 001 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: XML-RPC and POST with NPDS [NPDS] Re: (No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:55:55 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] XML-RPC and POST with NPDS From: Adam Tow Everyone: I'm working on an XML-RPC Client/Server for the Newton that I'd like to interface with NPDS. Does NPDS support receiving POST requests? Where's the best place to look for documentation on the plug-in architecture of NPDS modules? I looked over the npds.ml.free site but couldn't find anything there other than the source code to the modules? If there isn't any documentation, I'll start pouring over modifying one of the existing modules. In the meantime, the application currently can encode and decode NewtonScript objects and XML blobs formatted for XML-RPC calls. The next step is to make the application install a routing transport for easy transmission of XML-RPC calls over the Internet. Should be pretty cool :) -adam -- Adam Tow tow.com Tomorrow begins today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:58:40 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] unset npds digest From: Adam Tow ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: XML-RPC and POST with NPDS Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:55:46 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey Adam. >I'm working on an XML-RPC Client/Server for the Newton that I'd >like to interface with NPDS. Too sweet. I'm palpitating. >Where's the best place to look for documentation on the plug-in >architecture of NPDS modules? I looked over the npds.ml.free site >but couldn't find anything there other than the source code to the >modules? If there isn't any documentation, I'll start pouring over >modifying one of the existing modules. There's definitely nothing that specific in the documentation that was posted from Matt's original site. Maybe he has some inside information. My guess is that Paul will be a source. >In the meantime, the application currently can encode and decode >NewtonScript objects and XML blobs formatted for XML-RPC calls. The >next step is to make the application install a routing transport for >easy transmission of XML-RPC calls over the Internet. Paul and I started working on this under the project name of nBlogger. It shows up as a routing option, but that's about it. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] What ever happened to the NPDS Cookbook? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:58:20 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey Matt... I'm sure that I paid my Kagi donation way back (if I didn't actually pay it and just plain forgot, my sincere apologies...), but I never received the infamous NPDS Cookbook that you mention here: http://npds.free.fr/docs/english/donation.html Does this document still exist? If it does, would you mind if we posted it to the development site? Cheers. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:34:00 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: XML-RPC and POST with NPDS À (At) 9:55 -0800 3/01/03, Adam Tow écrivait (wrote) : >Does NPDS support receiving POST requests? Unfortunately, no(t yet). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:17:44 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: What ever happened to the NPDS Cookbook? From: Matthew Vaughn The static 'NPDS cookbook' became '4AA magazine'. Originally, it was going to run quarterly and feature advanced scripting news, cutting edge development builds of NPDS, and profiles of NPDS users, and anything else we could toss in. But I couldn't get contributors and I also started getting a lot of pressure from my advisor to focus on my Ph.D. work, so it only ran for an issue. You can find Issue 1 at http://genetrap.cshl.org/~vaughn/NPDS/4AAMagazine/ (temporary site only, don't bookmark) and a zipped tarball of it at http://genetrap.cshl.org/~vaughn/NPDS/4aa.tar.gz Matt [Not using your registred address to the NPDS mailing list requires human intervention and slows down propagation of messages - but I filter out some spams ;) - Paul] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:28:38 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: XML-RPC and POST with NPDS From: Matthew Vaughn Unless Paul has implemented it, NPDS does not explicitly support POST. I know, it should in order to be HTTP 1.0 compliant, but I was just never able to implement it. As for the plugin architecture, the best thing to do it rip the code from one apart and ask me questions as you go. I suggest the Card or Name servers as they are both substantially simpler than the Notepad server, yet they use all the standard interfaces. Back in the day, I had a template for modules that I distributed that was better documented, but I can't seem to find it (that was 4 computers ago so perhaps it has been lost in the bitbin of history). Here's a VERY brief overview of the module architecture... http://genetrap.cshl.org/~vaughn/NPDS/4AAMagazine/npdsintro.html The Calls plugin was never written explicitly as a module. Instead, I implemented it at a user group meeting one evening using the scripting architecture to demonstrate the power of dynamically executed Newtonscript. Matt On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 01:55 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > > >> Where's the best place to look for documentation on the plug-in >> architecture of NPDS modules? I looked over the npds.ml.free site >> but couldn't find anything there other than the source code to the >> modules? If there isn't any documentation, I'll start pouring over >> modifying one of the existing modules. > > There's definitely nothing that specific in the documentation that was > posted from Matt's > original site. Maybe he has some inside information. My guess is that > Paul will be a source. [Not using your registred address to the NPDS mailing list requires human intervention and slows down propagation of messages - but I filter out some spams ;) - Paul] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:40:11 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: (No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format À (At) 22:29 +0100 3/01/03, npds-owner@ml.free.fr écrivait (wrote) : >[Not using your registred address to the NPDS mailing list requires >human intervention and slows down propagation of messages - but I >filter out some spams ;) - Paul] Plus I always forget how to do that nicely. Or maybe that old copy of Listar has some issue. Sorry folks. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: What ever happened to the NPDS Cookbook? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:25:37 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, vaughn@cshl.org typed vigorously: >The static 'NPDS cookbook' became '4AA magazine'. Originally, it was >going to run quarterly and feature advanced scripting news, cutting >edge development builds of NPDS, and profiles of NPDS users, and >anything else we could toss in. But I couldn't get contributors and I >also started getting a lot of pressure from my advisor to focus on my >Ph.D. work, so it only ran for an issue. Thanks for the link Matt. I seem to recall seeing it in amongst the news items on your old Lightyear NPDS site. Good to see that you've still got all the Lightyear bits around too. I'll post a copy of 4AA on the development site as part of the additional resources. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #1 ************************ From ???@??? Sun Jan 05 03:19:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 14846 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 02:11:26 -0000 Received: from musique.teaser.net (213.91.2.11) by mrelay1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 02:11:26 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003DF72531 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:11:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id 37D7220F01; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:11:24 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from math.teaser.net (math.teaser.net [213.91.2.4]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 62788.104; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00D96C814 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 1F694175D8; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:11:22 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBEE175C2 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 21:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC8E72E29; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 05 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #2 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 04 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 002 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:30:12 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Base64 Encoder/Decoder? From: Adam Tow Is there a library for the Newton that performs Base64 Encoding and Decoding? I want to be able to convert binary objects (like packages) into Base64 for transmission via my XML-RPC Transport. Thanks. -adam On Friday, Jan 3, 2003, at 15:25 US/Pacific, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > In a previous message, vaughn@cshl.org typed vigorously: > >> The static 'NPDS cookbook' became '4AA magazine'. Originally, it was >> going to run quarterly and feature advanced scripting news, cutting >> edge development builds of NPDS, and profiles of NPDS users, and >> anything else we could toss in. But I couldn't get contributors and I >> also started getting a lot of pressure from my advisor to focus on my >> Ph.D. work, so it only ran for an issue. > > Thanks for the link Matt. I seem to recall seeing it in amongst the > news > items on your old Lightyear NPDS site. Good to see that you've still > got > all the Lightyear bits around too. I'll post a copy of 4AA on the > development site as part of the additional resources. > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys > > Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ > Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ > Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ > Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > > -- Adam Tow tow.com Tomorrow begins today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:28:55 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Base64 Encoder/Decoder? From: Matt Vaughn If you find one or write one, please let the group know. If i recall, implementing POST support in NPDS will require the ability to decode a Base64 stream. This may have been one the stumbling blocks that kept me from implementing it. Matt On Friday, January 3, 2003, at 10:30 PM, Adam Tow wrote: > Is there a library for the Newton that performs Base64 Encoding and > Decoding? I want to be able to convert binary objects (like packages) > into Base64 for transmission via my XML-RPC Transport. > > Thanks. > > -adam > ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Base64 Encoder/Decoder? Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:26:24 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Matt Vaughn typed vigorously: >If you find one or write one, please let the group know. If i recall, >implementing POST support in NPDS will require the ability to decode a >Base64 stream. This may have been one the stumbling blocks that kept me >from implementing it. I don't know if this will help you out Adam, but there's this C library for Base64 that was ported to UserLand Frontier and HyperCard: http://www.scripting.com/midas/base64/ Interestingly enough, LunaSuite did Base64 email and the source code is available for tinkering. http://lunasuite.lunatech.com/ g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #2 ************************ From ???@??? Tue Jan 07 03:21:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 16863 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 02:11:34 -0000 Received: from math.teaser.net (213.91.2.4) by mrelay1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 02:11:34 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47F96C817 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:11:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id 3AF3F20F45; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:11:33 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 33409.114; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20697250B for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 122D0175D4; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:11:22 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75C0175CD for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADA272F42; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #3 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 06 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 003 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 06:16:25 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] nBlog, XML-RPC, and nHTML -- 1/6/2003 From: Adam Tow Everyone: [ this message has also been cross-posted to the Newtontalk mailing list ] Happy New Year to all Newton owners around the world. 2003 is shaping up to be a very green year! I noticed a thread on the list for people trying to organize a Newton gathering at MacWorld SF this week. I've posted a poll on my website forums: http://www.tow.com/forums/ under Newton->General->MacWorld Gathering Poll. If you are planning on attending, please cast your vote for what day(s) you want to meet and watch for future announcements on the exact time and location. As many of you know from reading the list, I've been working this past month on some exciting new applications for the Newton, including: 1) nHTML 2.0: nHTML is the most powerful, portable web editing tool. nHTML lets you create tags, dialog boxes, popups, and scripts to make your web development experience more efficient and productive. 2) XML-RPC for the Newton: A unit (i.e. shared library) that implements an XML-RPC client on the Newton. The package allows third-party developers to send and receive remote procedure calls over the Internet. It also installs a system-wide transport that lets the user send virtually any Newton soup object over the Internet, such as a Name, Date, Note (and in the future, a package!). 3) nBlog: An application that makes use of XML-RPC and nHTML that allows a user with a Newton connected to the Internet to update a blog in real-time. If you're wirelessly connected (think showfloor at MacWorld), you can update your web site instantly! You can get a sneak peak at three of them on my temporary weblog: http://www.tow.com/weblog/ If you are interested in using nBlog, XML-RPC, and nHTML during MacWorld, please contact me. I'm looking to creating a community weblog for the duration of the MacWorld conference. -adam -- Adam Tow tow.com Tomorrow begins today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:54:01 +0100 Subject: [NPDS] Re: nBlog, XML-RPC, and nHTML -- 1/6/2003 From: Pascal Mass=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=n Adam, A happy new year from over the great pond to you too. I'm looking forward to all those great Newton projects. With the purchase of an ethernetcard last week, I started exploring NPDS. After all those years of using my mp21k, NPDS opened up yet another fascinating world of this gem ! Just waiting for a backup-restore and package installer tool on MacOSX over ethernet to make it complete. Best regards, Pascal Massün @ Oostende Belgium IT Projectmanager, KBC Bank&Insurance "My taste is very simple, I'm always satisfied with the best" http://users.skynet.be/ePM op 06-01-2003 15:16 schreef Adam Tow op adam@tow.com: > Everyone: > Happy New Year to all Newton owners around the world. 2003 is shaping > up to be a very green year! > ... ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #3 ************************ From ???@??? Wed Jan 08 03:17:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 17732 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from math.teaser.net (213.91.2.4) by mrelay1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 02:11:27 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223976C828 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id D89DB20F01; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:11:25 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 46722.026; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:11:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8857250B for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:11:15 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 50538175DA; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:11:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DCC175C2 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 21:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDA972E12; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #4 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 07 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 004 In This Issue: [NPDS] Someone crashed my NPDS server... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:02:05 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Someone crashed my NPDS server... ...while it was plugged to Hammer! (I was finalizing my port of TidyLib). Apparently, it crashed in the debug code of the GIFLib. It displayed the Proto error dialog with a big number (normal since it crashed with a bus error). After all, the only suspect native code that is executed in NPDS at the moment (only native code can generate bus errors) is the GIFLib and NIE. I've removed the debug code, so we'll see if the error happens again. The new package is on the NPDS website. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #4 ************************ From ???@??? Thu Jan 09 03:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21843 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 02:11:42 -0000 Received: from musique.teaser.net (213.91.2.11) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 02:11:42 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431027250E for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:11:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id EF5FF20F5A; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:11:40 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from math.teaser.net (math.teaser.net [213.91.2.4]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 72910.004; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:11:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C1D6C806 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:11:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 61825175D9; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:11:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9379175C2 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D3B72E37; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 03:11:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:11:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:11:30 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #5 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 08 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 005 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To draft 2 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To draft 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:11:57 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To Hi folks, I've written a documentation explaining how to setup the NPDS in a private LAN context. It is available here: http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/NPDS-Network-Setup-How-To.html Oh, I just realized I didn't mention that one can do the trick with an Apache server instead of a regular router, since an NPDS user did this in the past. But this requires extended Apache knowledge anyway. [I hope it is clear enough to help you Karl-Heinz. Your last mistake, if I understood properly, was to use the router's private IP.] Could you please comment on this and complete it with screen shots and explanations for your own router hardware/software? This is the most difficult part when using NPDS and unfortunately, we cannot really simplify it. I hope I haven't made too many mistakes. Grant, would you agree to be responsible for editing this how-to page? Also, feel free to move it anywhere on the website, of course. Regards, Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:19:56 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To draft 2 Hi folks, Nicolas showed the way and sent me the setup details for his NetBSD router. So I've updated the page. http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/NPDS-Network-Setup-How-To.html Other setup configuration details are welcome. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Charles Lewis" Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To draft 2 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:49:33 -0700 Thanks again Paul, for all your diligent work!!! CLewis Pueblo, CO -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr]On Behalf Of Paul Guyot Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:20 PM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To draft 2 Hi folks, Nicolas showed the way and sent me the setup details for his NetBSD router. So I've updated the page. http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/NPDS-Network-Setup-How-To.html Other setup configuration details are welcome. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Network Setup How-To Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:26:12 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I hope I haven't made too many mistakes. Grant, would you agree to be >responsible for editing this how-to page? Also, feel free to move it >anywhere on the website, of course. Yes, I will play editor and mover for these types of articles. I'll probably get to it laster this week. Thanks Paul! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #5 ************************ From ???@??? Mon Jan 13 03:15:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 32457 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 02:11:29 -0000 Received: from math.teaser.net (213.91.2.4) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 02:11:29 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A696C8A5 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id 4424E20F4B; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 34101.074; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029207256B for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 479E9175D7; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:11:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297B0175C2 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7B472F37; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #6 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 12 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 006 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] Tracker move ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:27:50 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Tracker move Hi folks, Shakti tracker will soon no longer be shakti tracker (it's moving to another box, just like NewtonTalk if ever you wonder). So please update your bookmarks and tracker servers/clients by changing: shakti.continuity.cx by npds-tracker.continuity.cx The full URL is: http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:2110 Port 8080 also works. http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:8080 For some reasons related to the new server, I'll update the tracker server code in the next days. Thanks. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #6 ************************ From ???@??? Tue Jan 14 03:12:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 25709 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 02:11:50 -0000 Received: from math.teaser.net (213.91.2.4) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 02:11:50 -0000 Received: from philo.teaser.net (philo.teaser.net [213.91.2.6]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41A26C845 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by philo.teaser.net (Postfix, from userid 110) id 6C79420F4B; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:47 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mailody.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by philo.teaser.net (lmtpd) with LMTP id 51784.030; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (hermes.guns-media.com [209.212.89.132]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DE4725A0 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 72AE372F4; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:11:45 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD8F71DD for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:11:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F291D72E67; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #7 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 14 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 007 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] Newton Tracker Official Port Number ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:38:56 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Newton Tracker Official Port Number Hi folks, IANA gave us an official port number for NPDS tracker server. It's 3680. Please update your tracker server and tracker client accordingly. If ever you use shakti, let me remind you the URL: http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680/ Put npds-tracker.continuity.cx into the server and 3680 into both ports. Continuity tracker also listens on 2110 and 8080. I'll disable 2110 at some point. There will be a new version of the tracker server that defaults to port 3680. We also got udp although I didn't ask for it. Also, if ever you want to add it to your /etc/services file, the official name is npds-tracker (comment is NPDS Tracker). Regards, Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #7 ************************ From ???@??? Sat Jan 18 03:12:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 2413 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 02:11:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (209.212.89.132) by mrelay1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 02:11:29 -0000 Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 0390E741D; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:11:29 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE897418 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:11:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707C3730C8; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 03:11:27 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #8 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 17 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 008 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Site Updated Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:38:10 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Well, I've finally started tweaking a few things over at the NPDS development site. The look and feel haven't changed much (yet), but lot of things have been tuned up under the hood. I've created a changelog on the site if you feel the need to keep tabs on what's changing: http://npds.free.fr/changelog.txt Since Paul Guyot has graciously handed over the keys to the car, there'll be more improvements coming soon. Please let me know if you find anything out of place or would like to have documents added to the site. *** Note: I am going to be standardizing all of the directory names and removing the superfluous spaces. If you've previously linked to specific module directories, these will be changing in the near future. Stay tuned. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #8 ************************ From ???@??? Tue Jan 21 03:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21453 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 02:11:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (209.212.89.132) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 02:11:39 -0000 Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 850247658; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:11:38 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443BA7657 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:11:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE2672F2F; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #9 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 21 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 009 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Site Updated ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:01:53 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Site Updated On 1/16/03 10:38 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" wrote: > Well, I've finally started tweaking a few things over at the NPDS > development site. The look and feel haven't changed much (yet), but lot > of things have been tuned up under the hood. You da Man Grant! ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #9 ************************ From ???@??? Wed Jan 22 03:15:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 27292 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 02:11:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (209.212.89.132) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 02:11:35 -0000 Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 482A176D6; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:11:35 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B3C76D5 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:11:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3829172E16; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:11:34 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:11:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:11:34 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #10 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 21 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 010 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Yoichi Takezawa's NPDS Uni Branch Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:41:42 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson I've managed to locate copies of Yoichi Takezawa's pages for his Unicode-based branch of the NPDS code. I already had copies of the packages and his version of the source code, but the mac.com-hosted pages were hosed by Apple a while ago and proved hard to find in the bowels of the Internet Archive. Since I have not been able to contact Yoichi, I am going to go ahead and tidy up his Japanese version of the pages and then Babelfish an Engrish-manglation of the information. Both of these pages, plus copies of the source and packages will be posted to the NPDS site sometime this week. I think it is within our mandate to make sure that this information gets archived. NPDS Uni also requires Makoto Nukui's (GNUE) Japenese Encoding packages based on the NTEncoding SDK. GNUE and his site have also disappeared, so I think it would be beneficial to mirror those related files as well. For those not familiar with the work that Yoichi did on NPDS Uni, some of the new features are: * Browse, search and post to Notepad in Japanese. * Browse and search Names in Japanese. * Browse Dates in Japanese. * Post to Names. * Post to Newton Works. I'll notify the list when this information is available on the NPDS site. Naturally, any and all comments are welcome. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #10 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Jan 23 06:09:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 17869 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2003 02:12:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.guns-media.com (209.212.89.132) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 02:12:22 -0000 Received: by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) id 5098573EE; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:12:21 +1000 (EST) Delivered-To: paul@guns-media.com Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by hermes.guns-media.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F78273EC for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:12:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0489172E69; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:12:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:12:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:12:19 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #11 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Sender: npds-owner@ml.free.fr ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 22 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 011 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Yoichi Takezawa's NPDS Uni Branch Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:43:15 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Grant Hutchinson typed vigorously: >NPDS Uni also requires Makoto Nukui's (GNUE) Japenese Encoding packages >based on the NTEncoding SDK. GNUE and his site have also disappeared, so >I think it would be beneficial to mirror those related files as well. Oh, nevermind... I found GNUE's relocated site with all of his NTEncoding stuff: http://www.geocities.jp/gnue_x/ Pardon me, while I think out loud during the redesign. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #11 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Jan 27 03:13:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 23560 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2003 02:11:09 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 27 Jan 2003 02:11:09 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 14DB9913; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:12:15 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDD28FD for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:12:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B61773159; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:11:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:11:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 03:11:02 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #12 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 27 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 012 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] Continuity NPDS tracker move [NPDS] [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:40:43 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Continuity NPDS tracker move Hi folks, I'm pleased to announce that Continuity NPDS tracker is moving. The URL is: http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680/ For a while, both the old tracker and the new one will be running. I guess it will be the case until the old box is shut down. They're both setup to share their own records. No need to register on both. The TTL is quite big but NIE doesn't see TTLs smaller than one day anyway (and there is a bug that makes it 60 days, it can be fixed with my NIE patch). Until the name propagates (and afterwards), you can use the IP. It's 64.141.71.230. The port is 3680. There is an alternate port for firewalled browser, 8080. The old port, 2110, is not supported. I'll make a screen shot of my configuration tomorrow and maybe an update of the tracker server software. BTW, if you're running an NPDS tracker (hint hint), please update the configuration so it accesses npds-tracker.continuity.cx (or 64.141.71.230) on port 3680. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:08:59 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Since the IANA saw fit to give us our own TCP port, I've moved the misato tracker onto this port as well as upgrading to the latest tracker server version (0.1.31). Grant, if you could make this minor change to the NPDS home page that would be peachy. Everyone, change your tracker clients to connect to port 3680! -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #12 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Jan 28 03:12:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 18909 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 02:11:18 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 02:11:18 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C2C089B8; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:28 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50984229 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:12:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0571472E29; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:11:17 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #13 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 27 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 013 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:00:43 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >Grant, if you could make this minor change to the >NPDS home page that would be peachy. Done. I also added a link to the official IANA port numbers document and mentioned the alternate 8080 port number for the Continuity tracker. (See the site change log) Does Misato run on 8080 as well? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:24:30 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change À (At) 20:08 -0500 26/01/03, Victor Rehorst écrivait (wrote) : >Since the IANA saw fit to give us our own TCP port, I've moved the >misato tracker onto this port as well as upgrading to the latest >tracker server version (0.1.31). What about updating the template.html page so it refers to npds-tracker.continuity.cx instead of shakti.continuity.cx? You don't need to restart the tracker for that purpose. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:54:45 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Grant Hutchinson wrote: > In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: > > >>Grant, if you could make this minor change to the >>NPDS home page that would be peachy. > > > Done. I also added a link to the official IANA port numbers document and > mentioned the alternate 8080 port number for the Continuity tracker. (See > the site change log) > > Does Misato run on 8080 as well? Nope. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:19:55 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> Done. I also added a link to the official IANA port numbers document and >> mentioned the alternate 8080 port number for the Continuity tracker. (See >> the site change log) >> >> Does Misato run on 8080 as well? > >Nope. Well, there you go. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #13 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Jan 31 03:12:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 31442 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 02:11:52 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 02:11:52 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 367BFC69; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:13:13 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9D4C65 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:13:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB0D72F4D; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:11:50 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:11:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:11:50 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #15 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 30 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 015 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:23:00 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change From: Claessens I did move the server to a new machine but I still only have mymacs.net , mymacs.com is run by another. There were broken images because I forgot to move them to the new server. On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:28 AM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Hey Dan. > >> Mymacs.net updates to port 3680 29 JAN 03 > > I've updated the URLs on the NPDS development site. Thank you. > > By the way, there seems to be a bunch of broken images on your tracker > page. Did you remove images from your www.mymacs.com server? > > g. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:03:45 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? From: Jim Witte > "The server is always greener on the other side." > Unless you've splurged on a Frozen Newton. Heh. Or the Great White Newt.. (A whale like logo for that one would be neat) JIm ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] misato tracker upgrade and port change Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:26:12 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Claessens typed vigorously: >I did move the server to a new machine but I still only have mymacs.net >, mymacs.com is run by another. There were broken images because I >forgot to move them to the new server. Oops, sorry for the confusion... I meant mymacs.net Looks like everything is back working now. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:01:12 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Thoughts around an NPDS tagline? From: David Abramowitz "The only handheld with Web-bed feet" On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:06 AM, Matt Vaughn wrote: > "Turn your Newton into a mean, green, web-serving machine." > > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #15 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Feb 01 03:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 6839 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2003 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 1 Feb 2003 02:11:44 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 13AEE8B2; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:13:09 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62425786 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:13:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3238B72F2D; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 01 Feb 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #16 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 31 Jan 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 016 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] NPDS list archives -> hypermail? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:47:37 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey boys. Would it be possible to run Paul's .mbox archives of the NPDS list through hypermail, so I could post an HTML version of the list archives? I'd try to do this myself on my Qube, but I'm already up to my elbows in UBB upgrades, CPAN config, DB_File installation and noddling with Movable Type. Is there a way to automate a hypermail archive, like we have for NewtonTalk? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #16 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Feb 03 03:14:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 28182 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2003 02:11:19 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 3 Feb 2003 02:11:19 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id E8D06352; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:11:24 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FC0307 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3360E72F2A; Mon, 3 Feb 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 03 Feb 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #18 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 02 Feb 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 018 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives -> hypermail? Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 21:21:48 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Would it be possible to run Paul's .mbox archives of the NPDS list >>through hypermail, so I could post an HTML version of the list archives? > >This would be doable. However, my archives are archives of digests. >So the result won't look like NTLK's Hypermail's output. We should be able to convert from archive to individual messages. I know I can do that through Emailer. It's just that Emailer doesn't import .mbox format directly. The only reason I brought this up is that the .mbox formatted archives aren't that readily usable by folks wanting to extract a specific bit of wisdom out of the data. >However, I'm pretty sure we can gather all the mails that went in >individually. I still have most of them. I have every message (as far as I can tell) since October 10, 2002. In case we need to do a compare against yours... >>Is there a way to automate a hypermail archive, like we have for >>NewtonTalk? > >Er. Well, we could do that by subscribing some fake account to the >list and get it making hypermail archives. Maybe we should look into this too. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #18 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Feb 05 03:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 25514 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2003 02:11:24 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 5 Feb 2003 02:11:24 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 5D42D41E; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:11:38 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0831767 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3E87353F; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:11:22 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #19 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 04 Feb 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 019 In This Issue: [NPDS] Post the known scripts on npds web site? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 00:13:26 -0600 From: John Skinner Subject: [NPDS] Post the known scripts on npds web site? > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_paLdpUCfazMojAXE/94Ffw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all & Grant, What about putting all the known/used SSI scripts up on the NPDS developmen= t site? For example, the client, package listing, backlight and etc from Paul Filmer, Matt Vaughn I don=B9t think that they should be a =B3secret=B2 or hard-to-find. There could b= e something pointing to the documentation on the site to help people get them installed and working! What are your thoughts, everyone? --Boundary_(ID_paLdpUCfazMojAXE/94Ffw) Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Post the known scripts on npds web site? Hey all & Grant,

What about putting all the known/used SSI scripts up on the NPDS development site?

For example, the client, package listing, backlight and etc from Paul Filmer, Matt Vaughn

I don’t think that they should be a “secret” or hard-to-find. There could be something pointing to the documentation on the site to help people get them installed and working!


What are your thoughts, everyone? --Boundary_(ID_paLdpUCfazMojAXE/94Ffw)-- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Post the known scripts on npds web site? Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:19:47 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey John. Well, I think it's a dandy idea. I'll set up a /scripts/ directory on the site which will list any available SSI scripts (and versions thereof) including a little description of how each works. Additionally, it would make sense to link to the SSI documentation and a short tutorial on using the NPDS Script Editor. Why don't we start by everyone sending me their favorite scripts (or hacked version of existing scripts) and I'll start compiling them. I know Paul Filmer has a small stash of scripts on his NPDS server. Maybe we could use that as jumping off point? http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$71.nsd g. >What about putting all the known/used SSI scripts up on the NPDS development >site? For example, the client, package listing, backlight and etc from Paul >Filmer, Matt Vaughn > >I don¹t think that they should be a ³secret² or hard-to-find. There could be >something pointing to the documentation on the site to help people get them >installed and working! > >What are your thoughts, everyone? ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Live video served fresh since 1996. http://www.splorp.com/cam/ Now fortified with daily ramblings. http://www.splorp.com/blog/ Newton. It's the Palm with a brain. http://www.splorp.com/newton/ Online community web site handyman. http://www.newted.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:08:06 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Post the known scripts on npds web site? From: John Skinner On 2/4/03 1:19 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" wrote: > Hey John. > > Well, I think it's a dandy idea. > > I'll set up a /scripts/ directory on the site which will list any > available SSI scripts (and versions thereof) including a little > description of how each works. Additionally, it would make sense to link > to the SSI documentation and a short tutorial on using the NPDS Script > Editor. > > Why don't we start by everyone sending me their favorite scripts (or > hacked version of existing scripts) and I'll start compiling them. > > I know Paul Filmer has a small stash of scripts on his NPDS server. Maybe > we could use that as jumping off point? > > http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$71.nsd > My thoughts exactly! Paul has done a good job of using/keeping up with them. Do you want me to send you the scripts off of Paul's site in text format? -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #19 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 05 03:13:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 20813 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 02:11:45 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 02:11:45 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 7D640357; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:11:55 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509183B for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63CB72F2D; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #20 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 04 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 020 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS Protocol Document edited and updated Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:37:14 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Please note that during my gradual clean up of the NPDS site, I have been lightly editing documents that exist within the source code directories. My latest victim was the NPDS_Protocol_1.1.html document, currently found in the Tracker Server directory. If you folks intend on updating this document, please use my edited and freshly formatted version as the master. Specific points regarding my editing can be viewed in the changelog. http://npds.free.fr/changelog.txt *** Fair Warning *** Upcoming changes to the NPDS site include: * Moving all module directories into their own subdirectory * Creation of an index page specifically for the modules * Creation of an index page for all documentation * Addition of the NPDSU source and binaries * Standardized naming conventions for all site directories * Standardized naming conventions for all read me files * Conversion of mailing list .mbox archives to something more usable * Addition of a personalizable style sheet to the raw html we have now * Much, much more... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #20 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 09 03:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 1090 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2003 02:10:56 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 9 Mar 2003 02:10:56 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C97C25D; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:11:20 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7BA3B for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2003 18:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6D672E64; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #21 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 08 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 021 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 01:19:32 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] NPDS/hostname From: Donald Wilson I have a dyndns acct set up for my G4, which is alice.dyndns.info I'm connecting my Newton 130 over a null-modem connection to the G4, and want to run an NPDS server at toves.alice.dyndns.info Is there anything strange I need to do to Apache, or my PPPD script or anything else to make my newt accessible this way? ~Donald PS: Toves is the name of my 130... bonus points to the first person to figure out where the name's from, Hint: it's related to my email addy and the name of my G4 ==================== ~Donald Wilson http://homepage.mac.com/~marchie/ "Why not go mad?" ~Douglas Adams ==================== ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #21 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 12 06:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 2418 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2003 02:11:56 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 12 Mar 2003 02:11:56 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 5CCC44D0; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7334CE for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45D572F4A; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:11:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:11:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:11:54 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #22 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 11 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 022 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS/hostname [NPDS] Re: NPDS/hostname ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS/hostname Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:38:42 -0500 slithy eh? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS/hostname Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:50:06 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >slithy eh? ...and very vorpal (snicker-snack). g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS/hostname Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:30:23 -0500 "Newton is my portmanteau" (both meanings) Hey! That's pretty good! From: Grant Hutchinson [mailto:grant@splorp.com] ...and very vorpal (snicker-snack). ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] NPDS server log no longer working Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:56:32 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hi gang. I manually deleted my NPDS log soup the other day, and now NPDS won't create a new one. I've tried turning logging off and on again several times, but to no avail. This is a very curious happening. Any suggestions on how to get my server log back up and running? It'd sure be nice to be able to write the log to notepad or works, wouldn't it? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #22 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Mar 14 03:12:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 1395 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2003 02:12:04 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 14 Mar 2003 02:12:04 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 562EB3E4; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:12:18 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF36267 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FB372F5A; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:11:32 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:11:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:11:32 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #24 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 13 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 024 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working [NPDS] Re: GifServer question [NPDS] Re: GifServer question [NPDS] Re: GifServer question [NPDS] Re: GifServer question [NPDS] Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] NPDS 2.1 being tested [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:55:58 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hi Paul. >Il me semble que le 11/3/03 ý 16:56 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >>I manually deleted my NPDS log soup the other day, and now NPDS won't >>create a new one. I've tried turning logging off and on again several >>times, but to no avail. This is a very curious happening. Any suggestions >>on how to get my server log back up and running? > >OK, logging is completely broken in 2.046. Apparently, I removed the >line that actually logs by mistake, but if you add it back (in >protoTCPEndpoint:DoUnbind), it will be buggy as it used to be in the >past. I haven't understood yet how the Newton logged a tracker >request yesterday night. Maybe it's time to redesign this log feature >and make it thread safe. Oh good, I though it was just me or something I did. >I have a theory. I had an error request (error requests are logged >under some circumstances). Then I had a tracker request. It filled >the global variable about the request and then the error request was >logged. So in the end, the logged request was that tracker request. That explains why there was a couple of entries in my log prior to me deleting the store. I assumed that it was working, but not recording everything. >>It'd sure be nice to be able to write the log to notepad or works, >>wouldn't it? > >That can be done very easily with a script. >I had two scripts: >- one from DashBoard that Victor talked about >- one from the Script Editor so you can let people access the stats >without using the config module (http://foo/cfg/). > >... Ok, so these scripts will export the current log data (up to several dozens entries I suppose) to a note. that's a good start. But what would be more useful for server traffic analysis would be to incrementally append each hit or log entry to to the same note. Additionally you could "roll the log file" to a new note every day or after so many hits. Just a thought. Maybe it's just me, but I like looking at server log data. Thanks Paul. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:17:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] GifServer question From: "Gregory Gee" Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I am still fairly new to Newton and very new to NPDS. 1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and gifServer running and was wondering how they are getting the screen shots of there Newton to be greyscale instead of greenscale such http://65.84.243.167/screen. 2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on an NPDS Newton. In the screen shot above, what is the tool bar across the top of the screen. This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am still looking for the must have list of apps for the Newton. I have a MP2000 running 717145. Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:24:39 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question From: John Charlton On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:17 , Gregory Gee wrote: > 1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and gifServer running and > was wondering how they are getting the screen shots of there Newton > to be greyscale instead of greenscale such http://65.84.243.167/screen. The images are greenscale if the backlight is on, grey if it's off. Very clever. > 2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on an NPDS Newton. In the > screen shot above, what is the tool bar across the top of the screen. > This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am still looking for the > must have list of apps for the Newton. Avi's Backdrop. Does wonderful things, one of the most popular being background images. That would be a must. jc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:27:52 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 10:55 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Ok, so these scripts will export the current log data (up to several >dozens entries I suppose) to a note. that's a good start. But what would >be more useful for server traffic analysis would be to incrementally >append each hit or log entry to to the same note. Additionally you could >"roll the log file" to a new note every day or after so many hits. > >Just a thought. > >Maybe it's just me, but I like looking at server log data. So do I. I've started the redesign of the logging mechanism. If I cannot finish it tonight, it will wait until April because I really sink under my university work. I'm not sure, but you might need to update all the modules. It will fix a lot of crash problem because basically I'm removing the last not thread safe part of NDPS, i.e. the big unstability I brought years ago when I enabled multiple connections. BTW, I have enabled robots now. Just to see if it's as stable as it should be. I just prevent them to access the screen. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:32:07 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 14:24 -0500, John Charlton nous racontait: >On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:17 , Gregory Gee wrote: > >>1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and gifServer running and >> was wondering how they are getting the screen shots of there Newton >> to be greyscale instead of greenscale such http://65.84.243.167/screen. > >The images are greenscale if the backlight is on, grey if it's off. >Very clever. Greg, you don't like this feature? If so, I could add an option to disable it. >>2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on an NPDS Newton. In the >> screen shot above, what is the tool bar across the top of the screen. >> This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am still looking for the >> must have list of apps for the Newton. > >Avi's Backdrop. Does wonderful things, one of the most popular being >background images. That would be a must. Get the latest one from here: http://www.kallisys.com/newton/avibd/ Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 14:17 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >I have a MP2000 running 717145. This isn't the latest patch. Apple's latest is 717260, but I fixed an additional bug into 710031. http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/ BTW, it's a good idea to install NIE Patch if you run NPDS, especially with the old logging system. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question Question one was answered. Question two was answered, but you may need some clarification. Back when I started newtoning, I had a serious problem with Heap. Heap is the memory that's available to applications. Unfortunatly, the more stuff you have on the Newt, the less you have available to the Heap. I had an Envoy and the time and the wireless function took a serious amount of heap. If I added 2 or 3 additional packages, I didn't have enough heap to run my wireless app. I ended up having a dual-boot Newt! I dumped all my non-apple-specific packages on a 2mb card and when I wanted to send something, I would pop out the card and restart the Newt to get my heap back. This went on with my MP120, v2.0! Until someone told me how Heap worked. They said that I can choose a different app to be the background and that will release some heap space! I tried all the internal apps, but none really did much. I found an app called BackPack which advertised it's self as a background app. I never understood the usefulness of a background app until I ran this. It freed up so much heap, it made my Newton useable again. When I upgraded to my MP2k, I still used BackPack. It's only been recent that I started using Avi's because I now run Dashboard which takes over some of the package launch capabilities that BackPack offered. So, if you've experienced problems downloading email, or reading huge books on your Newton, consider getting a background application for your Newt. You'll wonder what you ever did without it! Ed web/gadget guru http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new subdomain) --- John Charlton wrote: > > On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:17 , Gregory Gee > wrote: > > > 1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and > gifServer running and > > was wondering how they are getting the screen > shots of there Newton > > to be greyscale instead of greenscale such > http://65.84.243.167/screen. > > The images are greenscale if the backlight is on, > grey if it's off. Very > clever. > > > 2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on > an NPDS Newton. In the > > screen shot above, what is the tool bar across > the top of the screen. > > This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am > still looking for the > > must have list of apps for the Newton. > > Avi's Backdrop. Does wonderful things, one of the > most popular being > background images. That would be a must. > > jc ===== "A spirit of national masochism prevails, encouraged by the impudent core of effete snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals" - Spiro Agnew, 1970 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question From: "Gregory Gee" > Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 14:24 -0500, John Charlton nous racontait: >>On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:17 , Gregory Gee wrote: >> >>>1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and gifServer running and >>> was wondering how they are getting the screen shots of there >>> Newton to be greyscale instead of greenscale such >>> http://65.84.243.167/screen. >> >>The images are greenscale if the backlight is on, grey if it's off. >> Very clever. > > Greg, you don't like this feature? > If so, I could add an option to disable it. > It's a great feature. I just didn't know about the backlight thing. >>>2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on an NPDS Newton. In >>> the >>> screen shot above, what is the tool bar across the top of the >>> screen. This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am still >>> looking for the must have list of apps for the Newton. >> >>Avi's Backdrop. Does wonderful things, one of the most popular being >> background images. That would be a must. > > > Get the latest one from here: > http://www.kallisys.com/newton/avibd/ > > > Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 14:17 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >>I have a MP2000 running 717145. > > > This isn't the latest patch. Apple's latest is 717260, but I fixed an > additional bug into 710031. > http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/ > > BTW, it's a good idea to install NIE Patch if you run NPDS, > especially with the old logging system. > > Thanks for the tips. 1. Do I need to install 717260 before 710031? 2. What about that NewtWorks patch on the site? > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:43:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question From: "Gregory Gee" Great information, thanks. Where do you get DashBoard? I am finding the UNNA does not keep up to date. Looks like I have quite a bit of upgrading to do when I get home. System patch NIE patch background app DashBoard? Fortunately, I have been able to install packages over ethernet using the PrelimBinaries. I'm glad since my Newt did not come with a serial cable or dongle. I also need to find all these standard apps people are talking about like NCU. I need something to do backups to my OSX over ethernet/appletalk. Thanks, Greg > Question one was answered. > Question two was answered, but you may need some > clarification. > Back when I started newtoning, I had a serious problem > with Heap. Heap is the memory that's available to > applications. Unfortunatly, the more stuff you have on > the Newt, the less you have available to the Heap. I > had an Envoy and the time and the wireless function > took a serious amount of heap. If I added 2 or 3 > additional packages, I didn't have enough heap to run > my wireless app. I ended up having a dual-boot Newt! I > dumped all my non-apple-specific packages on a 2mb > card and when I wanted to send something, I would pop > out the card and restart the Newt to get my heap back. > This went on with my MP120, v2.0! Until someone told > me how Heap worked. They said that I can choose a > different app to be the background and that will > release some heap space! I tried all the internal > apps, but none really did much. I found an app called > BackPack which advertised it's self as a background > app. I never understood the usefulness of a background > app until I ran this. It freed up so much heap, it > made my Newton useable again. When I upgraded to my > MP2k, I still used BackPack. It's only been recent > that I started using Avi's because I now run Dashboard > which takes over some of the package launch > capabilities that BackPack offered. > So, if you've experienced problems downloading email, > or reading huge books on your Newton, consider getting > a background application for your Newt. You'll wonder > what you ever did without it! > Ed > web/gadget guru > http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages) > http://npds.tek-ed.com (my NPDS server and it's new > subdomain) > > --- John Charlton wrote: >> >> On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:17 , Gregory Gee >> wrote: >> >> > 1. I have seen a few sites that have NPDS and >> gifServer running and >> > was wondering how they are getting the screen >> shots of there Newton >> > to be greyscale instead of greenscale such >> http://65.84.243.167/screen. >> >> The images are greenscale if the backlight is on, >> grey if it's off. Very >> clever. >> >> > 2. This isn't really NPDS related, but saw it on >> an NPDS Newton. In the >> > screen shot above, what is the tool bar across >> the top of the screen. >> > This tool looks pretty useful. Being new, I am >> still looking for the >> > must have list of apps for the Newton. >> >> Avi's Backdrop. Does wonderful things, one of the >> most popular being >> background images. That would be a must. >> >> jc > > ===== > "A spirit of national masochism prevails, encouraged by the impudent > core of effete snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals" > - Spiro Agnew, 1970 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:44:21 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 16:38 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >1. Do I need to install 717260 before 710031? No. >2. What about that NewtWorks patch on the site? It fixes a big problem in NewtWorks. If you do search into NewtWorks document, you should get it. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:32:19 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 16:43 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > Great information, thanks. Where do you get DashBoard? http://www.fivespeed.com/dashboard/index.html > Fortunately, I have been able to install packages over >ethernet using the PrelimBinaries. I'm glad since my >Newt did not come with a serial cable or dongle. I also >need to find all these standard apps people are talking >about like NCU. They're on UNNA. >I need something to do backups to my >OSX over ethernet/appletalk. There is no native backup solution for OS X (yet). The best platform for the Newton is definitely MacOS < X. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" Subject: [NPDS] Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:51:51 +1000 Hi all, I'm having trouble running scripts with NPDS. I've got the latest version of everything, but whenever I run a script, I always get this error: SSA Error: evt.ex.fr.comp;type.ref.frame I'm certain that there are no mistakes in the script. Can someone tell me what the problem might be? Also, I have several pages being served. At the moment, only the main page, and the standard 'NPDS Pages' utilise the CSS. How can I add these styles to other pages? Thanks, David Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:12:03 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] NPDS 2.1 being tested Hi folks, I'm testing NPDS 2.1 right now. Basically, I removed every thread unsafety things. Logs aren't implemented yet, but the SERV popup now shows the list of the 5 last requests (with the client IP). BTW, logs won't reverse-resolve the ip addresses any more (I believe this is a source of trouble because NIE has a maximum number of endpoints and we'd better reserve them for serving). But I'll export them in Apache Combined Log Format. Also, I wish I knew where NPDS deletes the preferences when the version increases too much. I wasn't able to find and I had to reenter all my prefs. I'd prefer to avoid this for you. Let me see how stable this is and I'll release it (with logs). In a nutshell, come and visit my server to see if you can crash it ;) BTW, working on this new version, I noticed that there are two bugs in the current server: RFC dates are in fact localized (Camino returned me a If-Changed-Since in French!) and one gets a silent -36006 when the server is stopped. I'll try to see if I can fix both. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:16:39 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 08:51 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >Hi all, >I'm having trouble running scripts with NPDS. I've got the latest version of >everything, but whenever I run a script, I always get this error: > >SSA Error: evt.ex.fr.comp;type.ref.frame > >I'm certain that there are no mistakes in the script. Can someone tell me >what the problem might be? You're sure there is no mistake in the script? Because this error basically means the script couldn't be compiled. >Also, I have several pages being served. At the moment, only the main page, >and the standard 'NPDS Pages' utilise the CSS. How can I add these styles to >other pages? I think that if the page looks like HTML, NPDS won't add its CSS. So you have to add it yourself in your HTML code. But I don't recall exactly and it's already 1:15, so I'll look tomorrow if nobody answered yet. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:51:05 +1000 Hi again, I'm absolutely certain that there are no mistakes in the script. I've done direct copy-and-paste from other sites into my script editor. No joy. When I add the CSS directly to the HTML page in question, do I need to go , or can the existing style sheet be somehow referenced directly? Thanks again, David Drew -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Paul Guyot Sent: Friday, 14 March 2003 10:17 AM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 08:51 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >Hi all, >I'm having trouble running scripts with NPDS. I've got the latest version of >everything, but whenever I run a script, I always get this error: > >SSA Error: evt.ex.fr.comp;type.ref.frame > >I'm certain that there are no mistakes in the script. Can someone tell me >what the problem might be? You're sure there is no mistake in the script? Because this error basically means the script couldn't be compiled. >Also, I have several pages being served. At the moment, only the main page, >and the standard 'NPDS Pages' utilise the CSS. How can I add these styles to >other pages? I think that if the page looks like HTML, NPDS won't add its CSS. So you have to add it yourself in your HTML code. But I don't recall exactly and it's already 1:15, so I'll look tomorrow if nobody answered yet. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #24 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Mar 15 03:12:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 1024 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2003 02:12:15 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 15 Mar 2003 02:12:15 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id EF39C733; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BC8373 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127D472F32; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 03:11:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #25 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 14 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 025 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] Re: NPDS 2.1 being tested [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions [NPDS] NPDS Setup [NPDS] Re: NPDS Setup [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS 2.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:59:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: GifServer question From: "Gregory Gee" Thanks for help Paul and Ed. The AviBD seemed to have made the Newton a little bit faster. I also found out not to try and install AviBD or system patches using DCL. It make the Newton hang. It seems that installing system components is not a good idea while there is an active dock. Thanks, Greg > Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 16:43 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >> Great information, thanks. Where do you get DashBoard? > > http://www.fivespeed.com/dashboard/index.html > >> Fortunately, I have been able to install packages over >>ethernet using the PrelimBinaries. I'm glad since my >>Newt did not come with a serial cable or dongle. I also >>need to find all these standard apps people are talking >>about like NCU. > > They're on UNNA. > >>I need something to do backups to my >>OSX over ethernet/appletalk. > > There is no native backup solution for OS X (yet). The best platform > for the Newton is definitely MacOS < X. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:26:52 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I'm certain that there are no mistakes in the script. Can someone tell me >>what the problem might be? > >You're sure there is no mistake in the script? >Because this error basically means the script couldn't be compiled. David, can you post a copy of the script to the list for us to take a peek at? Maybe one of us will spot something. If you copy and pasted the script, there may be certain declarations that need to be made as per your Newton's environment. Which script was it? >>Also, I have several pages being served. At the moment, only the main page, >>and the standard 'NPDS Pages' utilise the CSS. How can I add these styles to >>other pages? > >I think that if the page looks like HTML, NPDS won't add its CSS. So >you have to add it yourself in your HTML code. If your style sheet has been defined using the "Edit CSS" button in the NPDS preferences, then it can be applied to *all* pages that NPDS serves by making sure that the "Insert CSS" checkbox is selected. This is how I apply CSS to all of my HTML-formatted notes, as well as plain text notes via the whiteboard functions. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:35:09 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, David Drew typed vigorously: >When I add the CSS directly to the HTML page in question, do I need to go >, or can the existing >style sheet be somehow referenced directly? You can reference a style sheet hosted on another server using the following syntax: Or: The @import method will hide the CSS from non-fully standards compliant browsers such as Netscape 4.x and IE 3.x. The second method will work across all browsers that can parse CSS. This is a good way to provide simpler global styles to all browsers (using ) while still adding more complex and modern CSS (using @import) that newer browsers such as Mozilla, Netscape 7.x, Camino and Safari can understand and render correctly. What I have done in my NPDS setup is insert the @import method into all of my NPDS pages via the Edit CSS window in prefs. All pages served by NPDS then reference the same style sheet that I use on my main web site. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS 2.1 being tested Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:59:19 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I'm testing NPDS 2.1 right now. Woo hoo! Go Paul, go! Although, I thought you said: "If I cannot finish it tonight, it will wait until April..." You just can't help working on this stuff can you? Heh. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:25:42 +1000 Hi, thanks for the replies. Firstly, CSS: At the moment, I have about 4 .html files being served, excluding index.html. I have 'Insert CSS' checked. However, the CSS is only being applied to the index, and one of the other pages. The other pages are not styled. All of the NPDS pages, ie /dates, are being styled. I haven't tried Grant's suggestions yet for applying a CSS to a page, but I'll try that shortly. The two scripts that the Newton is currently borking at: 1. func(NullVariable) begin local theOut; theOut:= ""NewtonOS Version:"" && Gestalt(0x1000003).ROMversionstring; return theOut; end 2. func(NullVariable) begin local theOut; theOut:= ""AC Power:"" && BatteryStatus(0).ACPower; return theOut; end The only script I have been able to get to work is: func(NullVariable) begin return "bork"; end Thanks, David Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:18:41 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 15:25 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >The two scripts that the Newton is currently borking at: > >1. >func(NullVariable) >begin >local theOut; >theOut:= ""NewtonOS Version:"" && Gestalt(0x1000003).ROMversionstring; ^^^^ ^^^^^^ >theOut:= ""AC Power:"" && BatteryStatus(0).ACPower; ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ >The only script I have been able to get to work is: >func(NullVariable) >begin >return "bork"; ^^^^ ^^^^ Your scripts don't compile because you have two ". Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:20:25 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS 2.1 being tested Il me semble que le 13/3/03 à 20:59 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Woo hoo! Go Paul, go! > >Although, I thought you said: "If I cannot finish it tonight, it will >wait until April..." You just can't help working on this stuff can you? >Heh. Well, yesterday night, I forgot all the university work I had for a while. But this morning I know I shouldn't touch NTK for days. (I try to quit) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:14:26 +1000 Hi, Thanks for pointing this out. I thought that they looked a bit strange, but I didn't know enough about the scripting language to realise that they were wrong. As a programmer, I make a great engineer. ;) Thanks again, David Drew. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Guyot Your scripts don't compile because you have two ". ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:39:57 -0500 My guess is that if you put the tag anywhere on the page, the CSS is ignored... seems that way with my site, anyway. Paul F. -----Original Message----- >Also, I have several pages being served. At the moment, only the main page, >and the standard 'NPDS Pages' utilise the CSS. How can I add these styles to >other pages? I think that if the page looks like HTML, NPDS won't add its CSS. So you have to add it yourself in your HTML code. But I don't recall exactly and it's already 1:15, so I'll look tomorrow if nobody answered yet. Paul (G.) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2003 09:44:46 EST From: Charles.P.Daghlian@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles P. Daghlian) Subject: [NPDS] NPDS Setup Hi, I am in the process of returning to the NPDS fold after a break. I find that the only thing missing from the npds.free.fr site is the NPDS Setup package. I had a copy from before, but wonder if it should be put there as well, since you cannot the preferences for NPDS without it. Chuck ******************************************** Charles P. Daghlian, Ph. D. Director, Rippel E. M. Facility 7605 Remsen Dartmouth College Hanover, NH 03755 603-646-1039 / FAX 603-650-1637 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~emczar/ http://www.dartmouth.edu/~daghlian/paleo/ ******************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Other Newbie Questions Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:01:14 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >My guess is that if you put the tag anywhere on the page, the CSS is >ignored... seems that way with my site, anyway. Yes, this is how it appears to function on my site as well. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Setup Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:00:32 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hi Chuck. Welcome back! >I am in the process of returning to the NPDS fold after a break. >I find that the only thing missing from the npds.free.fr site is >the NPDS Setup package. I had a copy from before, but wonder if >it should be put there as well, since you cannot the preferences >for NPDS without it. The NPDS Setup package can be found in the 'Server' directory along side of the core nHTTPd package: http://npds.free.fr/Server/ Make sure you grab all the most recent versions of the packages. nHTTPd is at version 2.046 and Setup is at version 2.022. Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2003 12:44:51 EST From: Charles.P.Daghlian@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles P. Daghlian) Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Setup So, here I am again, back in the fold. Now I can get NDPS to work about three times, with new modules. Now when I try to restart the server, the loading DHCP note pops up and stalls. Tapping stop yields a -48807 error. Oddly, other packages (Newtscape) can use the same DHCP and ethernet card without trouble. NS can get pages from the net while the NDPS-generated slip persists. Good old NDPS just sits there spinning. Quitting NDPS still leaves the loading DHCP slip there. A reset is required to get it back. most annoying. Any idea was to which of the many modules might be to blame? Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 02:14:23 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Hi all, I've posted latest binaries of NPDS 2.1 on the website (http://npds.free.fr). Please test them and tell me how it doesn't work at yours. If you update to NPDS 2.1, you need to update all the components. Your preferences might be lost, but I think I fixed that problem. The changes are: Fixed issues with current_http_request global variable and other remainings of thread unsafety (basically, I fixed the problem I introduced with version 2.03) Fixed a silent problem in the server when disconnecting. The log now works. Log is in a new format and exported as text in CLF format. Fixed HTTP date: it no longer depends on the locale. Improved request parsing. Probably some other changes I forgot about. Basically, this new build seems very stable since my Newton didn't crash or whatever for 24 hours. The method to export the log (:LogToTextFile(nil) I think) gives you the log in CLF format. The old log soup is no longer used, the new soup is NPDSLog:MAVON and I'll tell you later how this soup is organized and how you can produce a nice log analysis. In the meanwhile, you can take the CLF and process it with awstats or webanalyzer. The logs are enabled by default, if you want to disable them, go to the preferences. The maximum # of log entries is the number of entries in the log soup NPDS will keep. Each entry currently includes 20 hits (could be more, this is processed asynchronously). DNS Reverse Lookup is no longer performed. The new modules are: BinaryServer 1.2 GIFServer 1.2 CardFile 2.1 DateServer 2.1 nHTTPd 2.1 nHTTPd Setup 2.1 NoteServer 2.1 WebPager 2.1 Let me repeat it again. There is no check whether the plug-ins are compatible. You need to upgrade all modules. If something goes wrong, you can get back using the previous versions for all modules. OK. This isn't NPDS 3.x yet, but I removed the biggest problem I've introduced into NPDS 2.x with multiple connections. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:17:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 From: "Gregory Gee" What happened to the web site? All I get is raw html code. Greg > Hi all, > > I've posted latest binaries of NPDS 2.1 on the website > (http://npds.free.fr). Please test them and tell me how it doesn't work > at yours. > > If you update to NPDS 2.1, you need to update all the components. Your > preferences might be lost, but I think I fixed that problem. > > The changes are: > Fixed issues with current_http_request global variable and other > remainings of thread unsafety (basically, I fixed the problem I > introduced with version 2.03) > Fixed a silent problem in the server when disconnecting. > The log now works. Log is in a new format and exported as text in CLF > format. Fixed HTTP date: it no longer depends on the locale. > Improved request parsing. > Probably some other changes I forgot about. > > Basically, this new build seems very stable since my Newton didn't > crash or whatever for 24 hours. The method to export the log > (:LogToTextFile(nil) I think) gives you the log in CLF format. The old > log soup is no longer used, the new soup is NPDSLog:MAVON and I'll tell > you later how this soup is organized and how you can > produce a nice log analysis. In the meanwhile, you can take the CLF and > process it with awstats or webanalyzer. The logs are enabled by > default, if you want to disable them, go to the preferences. The > maximum # of log entries is the number of entries in the log soup NPDS > will keep. Each entry currently includes 20 hits (could be more, this > is processed asynchronously). DNS Reverse Lookup is no longer > performed. > > The new modules are: > BinaryServer 1.2 > GIFServer 1.2 > CardFile 2.1 > DateServer 2.1 > nHTTPd 2.1 > nHTTPd Setup 2.1 > NoteServer 2.1 > WebPager 2.1 > > Let me repeat it again. There is no check whether the plug-ins are > compatible. You need to upgrade all modules. If something goes wrong, > you can get back using the previous versions for all modules. > > OK. This isn't NPDS 3.x yet, but I removed the biggest problem I've > introduced into NPDS 2.x with multiple connections. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:06:43 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 From: John Charlton Same here. Re-loaded it with Unicode character encoding and it's OK. Now to download! jc On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 08:17 , Gregory Gee wrote: > > What happened to the web site? All I get is raw html code. > > Greg > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #25 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 16 03:12:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 6446 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2003 02:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 16 Mar 2003 02:11:12 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 9090A4FD; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:12:00 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4634F6 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A04672E37; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:11:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 03:11:07 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #26 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 15 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 026 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS NPDS Site Updated & Reorganized [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:57:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 From: "Gregory Gee" I have 2 questions. 1. When will the Binary Server 1.2 be available? 2. How do you upgrade. I just realized I haven't upgraded a package before on a Newton. Do I just install the new version over the old or do I have uninstall the old first? Thanks, Greg > Hi all, > > I've posted latest binaries of NPDS 2.1 on the website > (http://npds.free.fr). Please test them and tell me how it doesn't work > at yours. > > If you update to NPDS 2.1, you need to update all the components. Your > preferences might be lost, but I think I fixed that problem. > > The changes are: > Fixed issues with current_http_request global variable and other > remainings of thread unsafety (basically, I fixed the problem I > introduced with version 2.03) > Fixed a silent problem in the server when disconnecting. > The log now works. Log is in a new format and exported as text in CLF > format. Fixed HTTP date: it no longer depends on the locale. > Improved request parsing. > Probably some other changes I forgot about. > > Basically, this new build seems very stable since my Newton didn't > crash or whatever for 24 hours. The method to export the log > (:LogToTextFile(nil) I think) gives you the log in CLF format. The old > log soup is no longer used, the new soup is NPDSLog:MAVON and I'll tell > you later how this soup is organized and how you can > produce a nice log analysis. In the meanwhile, you can take the CLF and > process it with awstats or webanalyzer. The logs are enabled by > default, if you want to disable them, go to the preferences. The > maximum # of log entries is the number of entries in the log soup NPDS > will keep. Each entry currently includes 20 hits (could be more, this > is processed asynchronously). DNS Reverse Lookup is no longer > performed. > > The new modules are: > BinaryServer 1.2 > GIFServer 1.2 > CardFile 2.1 > DateServer 2.1 > nHTTPd 2.1 > nHTTPd Setup 2.1 > NoteServer 2.1 > WebPager 2.1 > > Let me repeat it again. There is no check whether the plug-ins are > compatible. You need to upgrade all modules. If something goes wrong, > you can get back using the previous versions for all modules. > > OK. This isn't NPDS 3.x yet, but I removed the biggest problem I've > introduced into NPDS 2.x with multiple connections. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:19:27 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, John Charlton typed vigorously: >Same here. Re-loaded it with Unicode character encoding and it's OK. Paul must have been editing the index.html file with a Unicode text editor. Every character in the file had an invisible extra byte associated with it. Since I added an iso-8859-1 character set meta tag earlier today, your browsers were expecting to parse an ISO-encoded document, not one using Unicode. I have fixed the home page, and left the Unicode one for reference - just in case any one wants to look at it further. It's something I've never seen happen before. Here's the screwy version: http://npds.free.fr/weird.html Say Paul, how did you edit the document in the first place? The .txt files you updated were not affected. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS NPDS Site Updated & Reorganized Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:10:47 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson When it rains, it pours. As previously mentioned on this list, I went ahead and reorganized quite a few things on the NPDS site. Most notably, I have renamed and standardized all of the directory names so they no longer use spaces and have added a separate index page listing all of the various NPDS modules. I also added links on the home page to all of the NPDS documentation that we currently have available on the site. You can read about all the changes in the change log: http://npds.free.fr/changelog.txt Many of the changes I made are to get the site ready for full conversion to XHTML and for the start of formatting (and making pretty) using CSS. Please note that if you previously linked to specific module directories from your own sites, these paths will have changed. Here is the link to the new NPDS Modules page: http://npds.free.fr/modules/ Hopefully everyone will still be able to find everything they need. I believe that these changes make for a more easily accessible and organized site. Your feedback is always welcome. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:14:59 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've posted latest binaries of NPDS 2.1 on the website Wow. And all because my log file wasn't working... ;) Thanks for giving me a whole lot of stuff to do this weekend. I'll start playing with these on Saturday (it's still Friday night here in Calgary). Cheers Paul! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 03:27:35 -0600 From: "walter kwaan" Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 windows 2k and xp all do unicode text files now. it sucks big ones. or should i say, it blows x00s all over.. *;) >In a previous message, John Charlton typed vigorously: > >>Same here. Re-loaded it with Unicode character encoding and it's OK. > >Paul must have been editing the index.html file with a Unicode text >editor. Every character in the file had an invisible extra byte >associated with it. Since I added an iso-8859-1 character set meta tag >earlier today, your browsers were expecting to parse an ISO-encoded >document, not one using Unicode. > >I have fixed the home page, and left the Unicode one for reference - just >in case any one wants to look at it further. It's something I've never >seen happen before. Here's the screwy version: > > http://npds.free.fr/weird.html > >Say Paul, how did you edit the document in the first place? The .txt >files you updated were not affected. > >g. > >...................................................................... > >Grant Hutchinson >Interface Considerations & Toys > >Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ >Newton > http://www.newted.org/ >Design > http://www.veer.com/ > > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:46:31 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 21:57 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >1. When will the Binary Server 1.2 be available? I did a mistake. The new Binary Server is 1.1. >2. How do you upgrade. I just realized I haven't upgraded a package > before on a Newton. Do I just install the new version over the old > or do I have uninstall the old first? You have to delete the packages first. The installer won't let you override a package. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:49:43 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 20:19 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Paul must have been editing the index.html file with a Unicode text >editor. Every character in the file had an invisible extra byte >associated with it. Since I added an iso-8859-1 character set meta tag >earlier today, your browsers were expecting to parse an ISO-encoded >document, not one using Unicode. Sorry folks. I used BBEdit and I didn't even check the result. Grant, I think you can trash the unicode version. >Say Paul, how did you edit the document in the first place? The .txt >files you updated were not affected. I edited the .txt files on the mac and then uploaded them while I edited the index.html with BBEdit's open from FTP Server. Sorry for the trouble. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:51:14 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS NPDS Site Updated & Reorganized Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Many of the changes I made are to get the site ready for full conversion > to XHTML and for the start of formatting (and making pretty) using CSS. Grant, are you testing the new web pages with Newt's Cape? If the XHTML breaks compatability with Newton browsers, then that would suck... -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:42:39 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Sorry folks. I used BBEdit and I didn't even check the result. >Grant, I think you can trash the unicode version. Done. >>Say Paul, how did you edit the document in the first place? >>The .txt files you updated were not affected. > >I edited the .txt files on the mac and then uploaded them while I >edited the index.html with BBEdit's open from FTP Server. > >Sorry for the trouble. No worries. It was just a bit of a shock when I loaded the page. It was easily corrected. Since I had been working on the site earlier in the day, I thought it may have been something that I did. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS Site Updated & Reorganized Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:53:46 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> Many of the changes I made are to get the site ready for full conversion >> to XHTML and for the start of formatting (and making pretty) using CSS. > >Grant, are you testing the new web pages with Newt's Cape? If the XHTML >breaks compatability with Newton browsers, then that would suck... I've tested both XHTML Transitional and XHTML Strict with Newt's Cape, and they work. That's the beauty of clean, simplified structured data - it just works. The only thing that Newt's Cape can't parse is the initial declaration which appears outside of the tags. It shows up at the top of the page in Newt's Cape, right under the page title. I would imagine that Steve Weyer could clean this up with one of two lines of code if needed. If you want to test an XHTML Strict version of the NPDS home page for yourself, try this: http://npds.free.fr/test.html g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:27:34 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >If you update to NPDS 2.1, you need to update all the components. >Your preferences might be lost, but I think I fixed that problem. Does this issue only affect the preferences, Paul? Does it impact the hit count data or other bits stored in the soup? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:52:52 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 15/3/03 à 11:27 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > >>If you update to NPDS 2.1, you need to update all the components. >>Your preferences might be lost, but I think I fixed that problem. > >Does this issue only affect the preferences, Paul? Does it impact the hit >count data or other bits stored in the soup? There were two bugs. The first bug is that you can lose the preferences after an update. The second bug is that the main preferences were never updated (so you would never lose the hit counts among other things). I think I fixed both bugs. The first bug is weird. Took me some time last night. The bug occurs if the commented lines below are uncommented: >kCurrentPrefs := GetAppPrefs(kAppSymbol, kDefaultPrefs); > >if HasSlot(kCurrentPrefs, 'version) then >begin > if kCurrentPrefs.version < kVersion then > begin >// foreach slot, value in kCurrentPrefs do >// if not HasSlot(kDefaultPrefs, slot) then >// RemoveSlot(kCurrentPrefs, slot); >// // Remove unused slots in the new prefs. > > foreach slot, value in kDefaultPrefs do > if not HasSlot(kCurrentPrefs, slot) then > kCurrentPrefs.(slot) := kDefaultPrefs.(slot); > // update the prefs by the default values for the > // missing slots. > end; >end; > >// GetAppPrefs(kAppSymbol, nil) returns kCurrentPrefs. > >EntryChangeXmit(kCurrentPrefs, kAppSymbol); > >// Paf. The entry is actually removed from the system soup here. >// GetAppPrefs(kAppSymbol, nil) returns nil. These lines shouldn't be uncommented to let you go back from 2.1 to 2.0x. I wonder if this is related to what is explained here: http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_26/newtonqa.html or if it's a bug in NewtonScript's world. I didn't try to isolate that problem yet. BTW #1: the second bug disabled the watcher here (before I fixed it). I re-enabled it, but in the end, it restarts my Newton without any reason. So I wish you disable the watcher for a while so I'll know if 2.1 is that stable. (the watcher is still useful if one has a -10061 or a CGI that crashes the NewtonScript task). BTW #2: exporting the log to a text file takes a long time. And a new entry in the log soup is created everytime you restart the server. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #26 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Mar 17 03:14:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 23556 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2003 02:11:06 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 17 Mar 2003 02:11:06 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 64A0F387; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F5D367 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A788F730ED; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #27 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 16 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 027 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: NPDS Setup [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:11:58 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson I just installed the NPDS 2.1 module set. So far, so good. >The first bug is that you can lose the preferences after an update. >The second bug is that the main preferences were never updated (so >you would never lose the hit counts among other things). I didn't lose any preferences or the hit count. Naturally, I backed up everything six way from Sunday - just in case. >The bug occurs if the commented lines below are uncommented: > >>kCurrentPrefs := GetAppPrefs(kAppSymbol, kDefaultPrefs); >> >>... > >These lines shouldn't be uncommented to let you go back from 2.1 to 2.0x. Do any of these changes impact the way the Wipe utility works? Just wondering. >BTW #1: the second bug disabled the watcher here (before I fixed it). >I re-enabled it, but in the end, it restarts my Newton without any >reason. So I wish you disable the watcher for a while so I'll know if >2.1 is that stable. (the watcher is still useful if one has a -10061 >or a CGI that crashes the NewtonScript task). I am now running free of the Watcher. I'll let you know if anything weird starts occurring. >BTW #2: exporting the log to a text file takes a long time. And a new >entry in the log soup is created everytime you restart the server. Thank you, thank you, thank you. The new log format and handling is a much needed improvement over the previous incarnation. Beautiful. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:24:29 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 16/3/03 à 14:11 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Do any of these changes impact the way the Wipe utility works? No. I've just realized that Wipe probably won't wipe Binary and GIF Server's preferences. >I am now running free of the Watcher. I'll let you know if anything weird >starts occurring. Maybe you can enable BugTrap to catch any exception and send the reports my way. > >BTW #2: exporting the log to a text file takes a long time. And a new > >entry in the log soup is created everytime you restart the server. > >Thank you, thank you, thank you. The new log format and handling is a >much needed improvement over the previous incarnation. Beautiful. The next step is to get a nice way to extract this from the Newton and generate nice reports with charts and so on. What do you use for your own sites? Urchin? Webalizer? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:44:08 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Setup Il me semble que le 14/3/03 à 12:44 -0500, Charles P. Daghlian nous racontait: >So, here I am again, back in the fold. Now I can get NDPS to work about three >times, with new modules. Now when I try to restart the server, the >loading DHCP note pops up and stalls. Tapping stop yields a -48807 >error. Oddly, other >packages (Newtscape) can use the same DHCP and ethernet card without >trouble. NS can get pages from the net while the NDPS-generated slip >persists. Good old NDPS just sits there spinning. Quitting NDPS >still leaves the loading DHCP slip there. A reset is required to get >it back. most annoying. Any idea was to which of the many modules >might be to blame? If you can install BugTrap and send me the bug report, I might be able to help. However, I think this is the update prefs bug. Please either: install 2.1, try it and if you don't like it install 2.0x (2.1 will have cleaned the preferences) or try Wipe and lose your settings. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:22:31 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I am now running free of the Watcher. I'll let you know if >>anything weird starts occurring. > >Maybe you can enable BugTrap to catch any exception and send >the reports my way. You bet. I always have BugTrap enabled, actually. Any specific BugTrap settings you'd like me to use? I current have "Crashing inside a Try" set to "Ignore". >>Thank you, thank you, thank you. The new log format and handling is a >>much needed improvement over the previous incarnation. Beautiful. > >The next step is to get a nice way to extract this from the Newton >and generate nice reports with charts and so on. Or maybe do something on the Newton side? A quick and dirty nWebalizer? >What do you use for your own sites? Urchin? Webalizer? I use Summary. http://www.summary.net/ g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:21:46 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 16/3/03 à 16:22 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >You bet. I always have BugTrap enabled, actually. Any specific BugTrap >settings you'd like me to use? I current have "Crashing inside a Try" set >to "Ignore". Keep it like this. I don't think there is any silent (i.e. caught) exception around, but there could be and this wouldn't be a problem. > >The next step is to get a nice way to extract this from the Newton > >and generate nice reports with charts and so on. > >Or maybe do something on the Newton side? A quick and dirty nWebalizer? Heh. This means more work than just extracting the logs and then processing them on a desktop computer. BTW, beware of the size. I just checked, my NPDS log soup includes 37 entries for 147 KB. It fully logs the user-agent (in UCS-2), this increases the size of the log a lot. I promised the format, so here is it (in case anyone wants to start this log analysis tool for the Newton). I haven't figured out how to know the size of a Newton object except with very slow TrueSize statistics method, so I limit to 20 log lines per soup entries to not create too big soup entries. For the moment a new entry is created everytime the server is started so don't rely on the number of entries in the items array (it could even be zero). Each entry in the log soup (NPDSLog:MAVON) has the following structure: created: the time in seconds since 1970 when this entry was created (use this to sort the entries across soups) class: 'access (ignore any entry with another class) items: an array which elements are frames: { host: the host IP as a NewtonScript string time: the time the page was sent, in seconds since 1970. (integer) bytes: the number of bytes sent, excepting the headers (just like Apache's log information) (integer) result: the result code (integer) request: the full request line (e.g. "GET /html/cockpit HTTP/1.1") referer: the referer header's value or NIL if no referer was provided agent: idem with agent user: the authenticated user used to access this page or NIL if the page was accessed anonymously (currently always nil). } There is an index on created and another one on class. LogToTextFile creates an array with all the entries that are of class 'access. This is probably why it is so slow. A better approach is to query on the created index (theSoup:Query({indexPath: 'created})) and then filter entries that aren't of class 'access. I wasn't very fresh when I adapted the old LogToTextFile method. I also wonder if I should add to the log soup the X-Forwarded-For header. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #27 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 19 03:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 8633 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2003 02:12:08 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 19 Mar 2003 02:12:08 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 7ED923E2; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:40 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98379354 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FBE72E13; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:11:33 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:11:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:11:33 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #29 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 18 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 029 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] How can I improve this HTML code [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:20:06 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson Hey Josh. Good to hear from you. >I had not run NPDS for quite a while, so after seeing Paul's >announcement that 2.1 was available with fixes for Grant's logging >issues, I downloaded all the newest versions of the components, >installed them, and started serving again. Paul should be proud of his >accomplishments; compared to 2.045, which I had been running, 2.1 seems >very stable. It is very stable. Paul and I were just exchanging WebPager messages, comparing uptimes. His server is coming up on 66 hours. Mine is just over 30 hours. No crashes. No BugTrap exceptions. No NPDS Watcher. Lovely. >I'm also glad to see that the /html/admin-post.html page is still there >in version 2.1; I wish that the ability to select which folder in Notes >the admin wants to post the note actually worked: it posts to the WWW >folder no matter which folder is specified. A work around would be to >post a note the normal way and link to the admin-posted notes by their >titles (/html/unix for example). Oh good, someone else noted this issue with admin-post as well. I thought it might strictly have something to do with posting to a folder whose name consists of more than one word. This is partially true, but there's more to it. You can post to whatever folder you like if it has a single word name. However, admin-post will also create an -empty- note in whatever folder happens to be currently selected in the Notepad. Posting to a folder that has two or more words in the name results in the posted note *and* the -empty- note both ending up in the Unfiled notes folder. >Additionally. I have resurrected a draft of using NPDS with firewalls; >it is available on my NPDS server. While some of the information is >available in the NPDS documentation, some expands upon it a bit. The >links are outdated, some lead nowhere, but if people are interested in >me improving it I could find the time. If you don't mind me doing a bit of light editing and formatting, I'll take a copy of your draft and post it to the NPDS development site as part of the growing (if not random) documentation section. You'll be credited as the author, naturally. It this cool with you? >Again, thanks for such a great project Paul and all the others who work >so hard on the NPDS suite. I look forward to the innovations that >version 3 might bring! Hear! Hear! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:31:15 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging From: Josh Burker On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 07:20 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Hey Josh. > > Good to hear from you. > It's great to be back! > It is very stable. Paul and I were just exchanging WebPager messages, > comparing uptimes. His server is coming up on 66 hours. Mine is just > over > 30 hours. No crashes. No BugTrap exceptions. No NPDS Watcher. Lovely. > My latest issues seem connected to Watcher. I'm turning it off. It would be cool to see this type of fault-tolerance in version 3, though. IP Failover anyone, with all the NPDS nodes out there? > If you don't mind me doing a bit of light editing and formatting, I'll > take a copy of your draft and post it to the NPDS development site as > part of the growing (if not random) documentation section. You'll be > credited as the author, naturally. It this cool with you? > Awesome!! I was so flattered when I went to the NPDS page to get the newest components and saw the documentation about the Notepad Server Configuration; I was so surprised to see my name at the top!! It had been so long since I had used NPDS, but I was thrilled to see that my documentation from so long ago was still relevant and available. I cannot wait to help with the documentation for version 3. Grant: let me update a bit of the documentation and add a bit more tomorrow, and then feel free to take it from there. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:18:02 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Il me semble que le 17/3/03 à 17:31 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >I did note today that after some type of crash that took down the >server I was unable to access the log at all; while the /html/cfg >page loaded, I would get an Internal Server Failure error when NPDS >went to display the log. I ended up trashing the NPDS log in >Storage and starting the server again; now I can access the log. I >found this to be interesting, but without BugTrap installed I can't >offer anything of use to Paul. This is unfortunate. There might be a bug here but without a bug trap log, I cannot guess where it is. Any chance you would install BugTrap? >I'm also glad to see that the /html/admin-post.html page is still >there in version 2.1; I wish that the ability to select which folder >in Notes the admin wants to post the note actually worked: it posts >to the WWW folder no matter which folder is specified. A work >around would be to post a note the normal way and link to the >admin-posted notes by their titles (/html/unix for example). Since >NPDS supports links in the notes this isn't difficult but it is >inelegant. I really hope version 3 might contain an admin-post >option, as it is very nice to consider the possibility of posting to >any folder on a remote Newton. I've used this form for the first time ever this morning. Grant seems to have found the clue. >Additionally. I have resurrected a draft of using NPDS with >firewalls; it is available on my NPDS server. While some of the >information is available in the NPDS documentation, some expands >upon it a bit. The links are outdated, some lead nowhere, but if >people are interested in me improving it I could find the time. Great. Some pages aren't accessible yet, but it would certainly complete the NPDS Network Setup help page. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:29:05 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Il me semble que le 17/3/03 à 20:20 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >It is very stable. Paul and I were just exchanging WebPager messages, >comparing uptimes. His server is coming up on 66 hours. Mine is just over >30 hours. No crashes. No BugTrap exceptions. No NPDS Watcher. Lovely. I got 3 -36006 on Disconnect. But I'm making them silent (in my NTK inspector I found one of these errors that come from newtVNC - I wonder what is happening there). >Oh good, someone else noted this issue with admin-post as well. I thought >it might strictly have something to do with posting to a folder whose >name consists of more than one word. This is partially true, but there's >more to it. You can post to whatever folder you like if it has a single >word name. Definitely. If you look at the source code, the label is there without quotes. I'll test a new build with quotes in a minute. >However, admin-post will also create an -empty- note in >whatever folder happens to be currently selected in the Notepad. Posting >to a folder that has two or more words in the name results in the posted >note *and* the -empty- note both ending up in the Unfiled notes folder. OK, I didn't have this one. You can reproduce it every time you post a note? Josh, you have the same issue or this is Grant-specific? (hey, would be a nice bracketed name). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:22:03 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 07:29 +0100, je vous racontais: >Definitely. If you look at the source code, the label is there >without quotes. I'll test a new build with quotes in a minute. OK, this space in label bug has been fixed. I also fixed the bug Paul Filmer reported eons ago, the status icon being reverted to idle whenever you minimize/maximize NPDS (actually this bug appeared when we introduced minimization). Finally, I've decided to truncate the output of LogToTextFile to around 32 KB because it chokes my Newton otherwise (even if I save to a VBO, I suspect that it chokes when it tries to save it to the Notes soup). My log soup is around 227 KB and when exported to works (did I mention one can export the log to NewtWorks now?), it is around 150 KB. Let me test it a little bit and I'll post the new build. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:43:11 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >> If you don't mind me doing a bit of light editing and formatting, >> I'll take a copy of your draft and post it to the NPDS development >> site as part of the growing (if not random) documentation section. >> You'll be credited as the author, naturally. It this cool with you? > > Grant: let me update a bit of the documentation and add a bit more > tomorrow, and then feel free to take it from there. Just let me know when it's ready and I'll swoop in. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:52:51 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>It is very stable. Paul and I were just exchanging WebPager messages, >>comparing uptimes. His server is coming up on 66 hours. Mine is just over >>30 hours. No crashes. No BugTrap exceptions. No NPDS Watcher. Lovely. > >I got 3 -36006 on Disconnect. But I'm making them silent (in my NTK >inspector I found one of these errors that come from newtVNC - I >wonder what is happening there). The only BugTrap report I've had in the past 43 hours or so has been this connection-related error: http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$1166.nsd That's all. I'm still impressed. >>However, admin-post will also create an -empty- note in >>whatever folder happens to be currently selected in the Notepad. Posting >>to a folder that has two or more words in the name results in the posted >>note *and* the -empty- note both ending up in the Unfiled notes folder. > >OK, I didn't have this one. You can reproduce it every time you post >a note? Josh, you have the same issue or this is Grant-specific? >(hey, would be a nice bracketed name). I can reproduce this every time. It may actually have something to do with BugTrap. BugTrap creates its reports in the Unfiled folder. However, if I have any other folder selected in Notepad, BugTrap will also create an -empty- note in that particular folder, along with putting the report in the Unfiled folder. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:16:59 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.1 reflections & Logging From: Josh Burker > > Just let me know when it's ready and I'll swoop in. > > g. > Will do.... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:40:20 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Hi all, I've uploaded 2.101 on the website. The changes include: - Fixed robots.txt. - Something else I already forgot. - :LogToTextFile(aStore) is now limited to 32 KB - added :LogToWorks(aStore) which isn't limited (although it can be slow if the log is big). - Fixed the folder popup that occurs with admin-post.html. - Made -36006's on disconnect completely silent. Let's give complete release notes (as far as possible). Among the things I forgot to mention in the Read Me.txt, I've improved the general 404, 400 and 500 error pages. I also fixed the bug Paul Filmer reported eons ago about the icon. The -36006 syndrom is the following: You get a 'A communications problem has occurred. Connection may have been dropped.' message with, optionally, a bug trap log looking like Grant's: http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$1166.nsd This kind of errors occur with other Newton internet applications, so I don't know what to think about them except that now I catch them and you will no longer get the dialog and the bug trap report (unless you tell BugTrap to trap exceptions inside try/catch blocks). I didn't fix Grant's problem with double notes creation, but actually this bug remains unconfirmed as BugTrap does the same. I suspect a problem in some Notes extension he might have rather than a problem with NPDS or BugTrap. :LogToTextFile used to take a parameter that wasn't used. You should better continue to provide nil. If you want to provide something different, provide a store. Nil means to use default store. This method indeed now returns a VBO (because it can be around 32 KB). BTW, this method is misnamed, it just generate a text log. Umm, I've just realized I have broken the /cfg/ logs viewer. You'll see the new 500 page then. :LogToWorks creates a newtWorks document. If you don't have newtWorks, it will display an error message. The code is made in such a way that it should run on NewtonOS 2.0 (i.e. display the error message). The parameter is the store to create this document to. It defaults to the default store if you provide nil. Please note that this method doesn't erase the log, it's not a log rotation method. Robots.txt. Robots are now allowed to come and visit our Newtons. I just forbid them to go to /screen/ because this means heavy transfers. Maybe I should add /bin/. What do you think? What else? Oh, I forgot to add X-Forwarded-For in the log soup. Next time, no biggies. And the supported version of NPDS is now 2.1 WITHOUT the watcher. The watcher breaks down 2.1 (and probably made the previous versions a little bit unstable). I might work on it one of these days. Please note that if the watcher is disabled and you restart, the server will be restarted and the watcher will be enabled. So you'd better freeze it. OK, if I summarize what is left for 2.x: - fix /cfg/ logs view - add X-Forwarded-For in the log soup - fix the watcher - Esthetic changes to the pager What did I forget? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:05:24 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 From: Josh Burker On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 08:40 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Hi all, > > I've uploaded 2.101 on the website. > I just loaded it onto my Newton and am running it now. Josh ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:24:01 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I didn't fix Grant's problem with double notes creation, but actually >this bug remains unconfirmed as BugTrap does the same. I suspect a >problem in some Notes extension he might have rather than a problem >with NPDS or BugTrap. I'll play around with this some more. I'll freeze a few superfluous extensions I have loaded on the server and try to narrow down why it's happening. >Robots.txt. Robots are now allowed to come and visit our Newtons. I >just forbid them to go to /screen/ because this means heavy >transfers. Maybe I should add /bin/. What do you think? I don't mind robots scraping my site for images, but if the binaries are larger zipped packages and such, it could be a problem. Can we make the robots.txt easily editable? That way we could specify something like: Disallow: /bin/zip/* >And the supported version of NPDS is now 2.1 WITHOUT the watcher. The >watcher breaks down 2.1 (and probably made the previous versions a >little bit unstable). > >I might work on it one of these days. Please note that if the watcher >is disabled and you restart, the server will be restarted and the >watcher will be enabled. So you'd better freeze it. I noticed you added a warning on the modules page about this. I'll add a bit about freezing the package next to the Watcher section. >OK, if I summarize what is left for 2.x: >... >- Esthetic changes to the pager Thanks, Paul. I know this one is for me. :) By the way, you accidentally Unicoded the modules page. I fixed it. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:06:50 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 10:24 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >I'll play around with this some more. I'll freeze a few superfluous >extensions I have loaded on the server and try to narrow down why it's >happening. Okay. I'll try to figure out how two notes can be added instead of one. > >Robots.txt. Robots are now allowed to come and visit our Newtons. I > >just forbid them to go to /screen/ because this means heavy > >transfers. Maybe I should add /bin/. What do you think? > >I don't mind robots scraping my site for images, but if the binaries are >larger zipped packages and such, it could be a problem. Can we make the >robots.txt easily editable? That way we could specify something like: > >Disallow: /bin/zip/* Well, this isn't really needed here because large binaries cannot be served. The binary server sends the binary in a single chunk and NIE doesn't like it if the chunk is too big. So serving large binaries and specifying the robots.txt will be 3.0 features. I've decided that I shall sort features between 2.x features and 3.x features. Especially since 2.x is stable now. >By the way, you accidentally Unicoded the modules page. I fixed it. Er. You're right. BBEdit played a trick on me again, although this time I explicitely edited an index.html file that I set to ISO-8859-1 and then uploaded it with ncftp. I don't know how, but this file happened to have been encoded in UTF-16. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:22:48 +0000 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Quoting Paul Guyot : > Hi all, > > I've uploaded 2.101 on the website. Paul, I'd just like to say that this is awesome. Now I just have to find some time to get NPDS on the backup Newt. Back to the grind for me... -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:01:38 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I don't mind robots scraping my site for images, but if the binaries are >>larger zipped packages and such, it could be a problem. Can we make the >>robots.txt easily editable? That way we could specify something like: >> >>Disallow: /bin/zip/* > >Well, this isn't really needed here because large binaries cannot be >served. The binary server sends the binary in a single chunk and NIE >doesn't like it if the chunk is too big. That's makes sense. I don't think leaving /bin/ open to robots is any major cause for concern. I'd leave it alone for now. By the way, I have some other questions regarding binaries and BinInstaller, but I'll start a separate thread on that. >So serving large binaries and specifying the robots.txt will be 3.0 features. Noted and agreed. >>By the way, you accidentally Unicoded the modules page. I fixed it. > >Er. You're right. BBEdit played a trick on me again, although this >time I explicitely edited an index.html file that I set to ISO-8859-1 >and then uploaded it with ncftp. I don't know how, but this file >happened to have been encoded in UTF-16. I'm sure that I'll start running into this sort of thing the more I use OS X. Right now, I can't seem to get out of my OS 9 comfort zone. Aaahh... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:02:32 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >Back to the grind for me... Blowing up another server, Victor? Heh. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] How do you use BinInstaller? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:19:34 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson I have been playing with BinInstaller this week and have started migrating a few images over to my Newton to be served using NPDS. I have also started writing a 'user manual' of sorts, documenting the creation and installation of various types of binary packages using BinInstaller. This manual will become part of the rapidly expanding documentation on the NPDS site. (Yea!) I'd like to solicit feedback and tips on how you have used BinInstaller for your own sites. I have come up with a couple methods of doing certain tasks, but they are by no means the bible on binary package creation. I want to compile and distill down as many different techniques and gotcha's for this user manual. Here are some questions to ponder: * How do you convert binary files into NTK resources? * What types of binary files have you created? * Is there a binary file size limitation? * Is there a binary package size limitation? * Is there a maximum number of binary packages that can be installed? * Have you experienced any repeatable errors, bugs, or crashes? * Have you used BinInstaller under Windows? If so, how? Thanks in advance for your feedback. I'll be posting a preliminary version of the BinInstaller documentation later this week. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:35:06 +0000 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Quoting Grant Hutchinson : > This manual will become part of the rapidly expanding documentation on > the NPDS site. (Yea!) Woo! Yeah, I've stopped working. Headphones + post-grunge Seattle girl hard rock = good. > I'd like to solicit feedback and tips on how you have used BinInstaller > for your own sites. I have come up with a couple methods of doing certain > tasks, but they are by no means the bible on binary package creation. I > want to compile and distill down as many different techniques and > gotcha's for this user manual. Cool. I also made a VB app for Windows called BinInstaller, it uses Sloup on the Newton side and a serial cable to upload binaries into the soup. It works, I think. > Here are some questions to ponder: > > * How do you convert binary files into NTK resources? NTK has built-in functions to do this I believe. At least NTK/Mac does. But it doesn't have to be an NTK resource - that's only if you want to embed resources into your package that can be easily accessed by NewtonScript (standard PICT images, sounds). We're not concerned with that, just raw binary data. > * What types of binary files have you created? I've uploaded lots of stuff while testing BinInstaller. I think I was testing with small (less than 128K) RTF and DOC files. > * Is there a binary file size limitation? According to Paul, the maximum that NIE can send in one buffer, whatever that is. > * Is there a binary package size limitation? Probably half the available flash on your Newton, as the package has to be uploaded into a temporary VBO, then its InstallScript writes the data to the BinServer soup, and then the VBO gets deleted - so at most there will be two copies of the data somewhere in the Newton's storage space. > * Is there a maximum number of binary packages that can be installed? Same limit as a NewtonScript soup. I'm not sure that that has a limit... if there is, its probably 2^30 (the upper bound of a NewtonScript integer). > * Have you used BinInstaller under Windows? If so, how? I wrote it :) I think the largest binary I wrote to my Newton was around 32K before the Sloup connection mysteriously stalled. I don't remember if I tracked down this bug. I might have. I vaguely remember fiddling with serial port options in VB until it worked. I know that Notes2Notes has no problem moving large chunks of data like this, so it's my code somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:25:33 +0000 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.101 Quoting Grant Hutchinson : > In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: > > >Back to the grind for me... > > Blowing up another server, Victor? Heh. > Not today. Thursday, though... **cryptic cryptic cryptic** -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:43:59 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >> I'd like to solicit feedback and tips on how you have used BinInstaller >> for your own sites. I have come up with a couple methods of doing certain >> tasks, but they are by no means the bible on binary package creation. I >> want to compile and distill down as many different techniques and >> gotcha's for this user manual. > >Cool. I also made a VB app for Windows called BinInstaller, it uses Sloup on >the Newton side and a serial cable to upload binaries into the soup. It >works, I think. Maybe we should post the VB version of BinInstaller to the site too, say what? You don't have a link to it on chuma.org do you? I'll have to add links to Sloup as well. >> Here are some questions to ponder: >> >> * How do you convert binary files into NTK resources? > >NTK has built-in functions to do this I believe. At least NTK/Mac does. But >it doesn't have to be an NTK resource - that's only if you want to embed >resources into your package that can be easily accessed by NewtonScript >(standard PICT images, sounds). We're not concerned with that, just raw >binary data. I'll have to look closer at this. I've been opening binary files with BBEdit and then copy/pasting the raw data into a resource template within ResEdit. I'm assuming that you can just point NTK at a binary dump of a file and change the way the makefile references it. >> * What types of binary files have you created? > >I've uploaded lots of stuff while testing BinInstaller. I think I was >testing with small (less than 128K) RTF and DOC files. Oh yeah, I forgot about word-processing documents. I suppose you could do PDFs and Excel files too. Hmmm.... >> * Is there a binary file size limitation? > >According to Paul, the maximum that NIE can send in one buffer, whatever >that is. He mentioned the buffer issue. I'll have to get the details from him. >> * Is there a binary package size limitation? > >Probably half the available flash on your Newton, as the package has to be >uploaded into a temporary VBO, then its InstallScript writes the data to the >BinServer soup, and then the VBO gets deleted - so at most there will be two >copies of the data somewhere in the Newton's storage space. Ah, good information... >> * Is there a maximum number of binary packages that can be installed? > >Same limit as a NewtonScript soup. I'm not sure that that has a limit... if >there is, its probably 2^30 (the upper bound of a NewtonScript integer). Oof. That's probably plenty of headroom. It's a good point for the BinInstaller FAQ, tho. >> * Have you used BinInstaller under Windows? If so, how? > >I wrote it :) I think the largest binary I wrote to my Newton was around >32K before the Sloup connection mysteriously stalled. I don't remember if >I tracked down this bug. I might have. I vaguely remember fiddling with >serial port options in VB until it worked. I know that Notes2Notes has no >problem moving large chunks of data like this, so it's my code somewhere. Any additional information that you can recall would be marvelous. Hopefully, I'll be able to get the VB app running under Virtual PC and then I can illuminate the throngs with multi-platform screen dumps galore. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:50:12 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 14:43 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >I'll have to look closer at this. I've been opening binary files with >BBEdit and then copy/pasting the raw data into a resource template within >ResEdit. I'm assuming that you can just point NTK at a binary dump of a >file and change the way the makefile references it. Nope. This is the hard part of making binaries. BBEdit is a good one, indeed. Actually, I used MPW's sample code DerezPict (takes a Pict in data fork and puts it into resource fork). Should be doable with OS X since I think they took MPW's Rez and DeRez to make OS X's Rez and DeRez. >He mentioned the buffer issue. I'll have to get the details from him. The limit is low. If you guys ask really nicely, I could fix that and increase it by sending data in chunks. > >> * Is there a maximum number of binary packages that can be installed? > > > >Same limit as a NewtonScript soup. I'm not sure that that has a limit... if >>there is, its probably 2^30 (the upper bound of a NewtonScript integer). 2^29, I'd say. I've never seen negative _uniqueID slots. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:52:58 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? (Paul: sorry about me posting to NPDS from the wrong addy - I've got a new mail setup and it confuses me. I'll try to remember this now.) Quoting Grant Hutchinson : > >Cool. I also made a VB app for Windows called BinInstaller, it uses Sloup > on > >the Newton side and a serial cable to upload binaries into the soup. It > >works, I think. > > Maybe we should post the VB version of BinInstaller to the site too, say > what? You don't have a link to it on chuma.org do you? I'll have to add > links to Sloup as well. Yeah, it's not really anywhere as I don't really trust it that much :P I know I posted a link to it on this list a little while back. I'll have to dig it out again. > I'll have to look closer at this. I've been opening binary files with > BBEdit and then copy/pasting the raw data into a resource template within > ResEdit. I'm assuming that you can just point NTK at a binary dump of a > file and change the way the makefile references it. Yep. Well, of course that's for MacOS Classic where you have forked files. > Oh yeah, I forgot about word-processing documents. I suppose you could do > PDFs and Excel files too. Hmmm.... Yup. My BinInstaller automatically sets the MIME type based on the file extention. The Binary Server then returns this MIME type to the client, so everything is hunky-dory. > Any additional information that you can recall would be marvelous. > Hopefully, I'll be able to get the VB app running under Virtual PC and > then I can illuminate the throngs with multi-platform screen dumps galore. Hope VirtualPC can emulate a serial port for you... I really wish that Sloup could listen to a TCP/IP port. Steve Weyer seems to want nothing with the Newton anymore, which is find, but it already supports ADSP, so how much harder could a TCP/IP server be? Insane idea for investigation later: writing an NPDS module that reads data from a GET or POST and processes it in Sloup. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:52:33 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] How can I improve this HTML code Hey all, I need HTML experts here to help me improve this: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/graffiti If you look at my screen, you'll see the original note. I wonder how to lower the images. I have the baseline info, btw. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:51:41 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Quoting Grant Hutchinson : > >Cool. I also made a VB app for Windows called BinInstaller, it uses Sloup > on > >the Newton side and a serial cable to upload binaries into the soup. It > >works, I think. > > Maybe we should post the VB version of BinInstaller to the site too, say > what? You don't have a link to it on chuma.org do you? I'll have to add > links to Sloup as well. Yeah, it's not really anywhere as I don't really trust it that much :P I know I posted a link to it on this list a little while back. I'll have to dig it out again. > I'll have to look closer at this. I've been opening binary files with > BBEdit and then copy/pasting the raw data into a resource template within > ResEdit. I'm assuming that you can just point NTK at a binary dump of a > file and change the way the makefile references it. Yep. Well, of course that's for MacOS Classic where you have forked files. > Oh yeah, I forgot about word-processing documents. I suppose you could do > PDFs and Excel files too. Hmmm.... Yup. My BinInstaller automatically sets the MIME type based on the file extention. The Binary Server then returns this MIME type to the client, so everything is hunky-dory. > Any additional information that you can recall would be marvelous. > Hopefully, I'll be able to get the VB app running under Virtual PC and > then I can illuminate the throngs with multi-platform screen dumps galore. Hope VirtualPC can emulate a serial port for you... I really wish that Sloup could listen to a TCP/IP port. Steve Weyer seems to want nothing with the Newton anymore, which is find, but it already supports ADSP, so how much harder could a TCP/IP server be? Insane idea for investigation later: writing an NPDS module that reads data from a GET or POST and processes it in Sloup. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:54:42 +0000 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Quoting Paul Guyot : > >He mentioned the buffer issue. I'll have to get the details from him. > > The limit is low. > If you guys ask really nicely, I could fix that and increase it by > sending data in chunks. pllllleeeeeaassseeee? With sugar on top? I'll give you an eMate pin! :) > 2^29, I'd say. I've never seen negative _uniqueID slots. Er, right, yeah, signed. Forgot about that. -Victor [sigless] Rehorst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:59:44 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst Subject: [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code Quoting Paul Guyot : > Hey all, > > I need HTML experts here to help me improve this: > http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/graffiti > > If you look at my screen, you'll see the original note. I wonder how > to lower the images. I have the baseline info, btw. Put it into a table that is centered in the body. Like this:
Graffiti header stuff
By default, the text will be aligned in the middle of the TD, and it should look nicer with the images. For the opposite of what you have now, you would use . For exactly what you have now, valign="bottom". -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:07:20 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 16:59 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >By default, the text will be aligned in the middle of the TD, and it should >look nicer with the images. For the opposite of what you have now, you would >use . For exactly what you have now, valign="bottom". You're sure that browsers are supposed to render it like this? The problem is that I would like Graffiti to be centered on the line and visitor to not be centered. In a nutshell, I would like to take the baseline into account. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:15:39 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >
> > > > >
Graffiti header stuff
>
Screeeech! Sorry, but I must attempt to put a stop to superfluous table usage. Paul, when I look at your page code, the img tags do not have any sort of align attribute. There are, however, ampersands in there: inkWord Just add an align="middle" attribute and value pair to the images and they should align better. inkWord Do know that you're scaling the ink images as well? They'll render cleaner if you don't scale them. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:16:44 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >(Paul: sorry about me posting to NPDS from the wrong addy - I've got a new >mail setup and it confuses me. I'll try to remember this now.) Actually, both addresses came through... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:27:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: How do you use BinInstaller? Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 15:16 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >(Paul: sorry about me posting to NPDS from the wrong addy - I've got a new >>mail setup and it confuses me. I'll try to remember this now.) > >Actually, both addresses came through... Yes, I allowed it to go through before I saw Victor's second post. It's just for you. Your messages will go faster to the list if you post with your right address because I won't have to accept them ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:34:59 +0100 From: Paul Guyot Subject: [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 15:15 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >There are, however, ampersands in there: Oops, I got lost into strings catenation. >Just add an align="middle" attribute and value pair to the images and >they should align better. Still doesn't solve the various baseline, but sounds a good approach. I did that. The Visitor ink word now looks ugly. Maybe I should decide whether to include the align word depending on the baseline. Do you have any better suggestion? At first, I wanted to recognize the ink to put it into the alt tag, but it would take too much time ;) BTW, this can make a server unresponsive for a while because of the limited number of endpoints one can have at the same time. Imagine a page full of ink. >Do know that you're scaling the ink images as well? They'll render >cleaner if you don't scale them. I do it on purpose. If I increase the size of the ink (with the Styles palette), it will appear bigger on the web page. Currently, my Newton displays the ink at 75%. It's easier for me to ask the desktop browser to do the actual rescaling than doing it myself ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How can I improve this HTML code Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:43:00 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Just add an align="middle" attribute and value pair to the images and >>they should align better. > >Still doesn't solve the various baseline, but sounds a good approach. >I did that. The Visitor ink word now looks ugly. Maybe I should >decide whether to include the align word depending on the baseline. If you can tell whether any of the characters hang below the baseline in the ink text, then you could contextual set the align value. If the text has no descenders (visitors) then set the align value to "baseline" or "bottom". If the text does have descenders (graffiti) then set it to "middle". >At first, I wanted to recognize the ink to put it into the alt tag, >but it would take too much time ;) BTW, this can make a server >unresponsive for a while because of the limited number of endpoints >one can have at the same time. Imagine a page full of ink. This particular issue makes my previous suggestion less suitable. >>Do know that you're scaling the ink images as well? They'll render >>cleaner if you don't scale them. > >I do it on purpose. If I increase the size of the ink (with the >Styles palette), it will appear bigger on the web page. Currently, my >Newton displays the ink at 75%. Got it. Maybe you need to write smaller. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:30:36 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Logging in 2.101 From: Josh Burker Can somebody confirm for me that logging works in 2.101? I cannot get it to work: I get an Internal Server Error. The /cfg page loads fine, but when it goes to produce the log it fails. I have removed the NPDS log from Storage thinking it might be corrupt again, and I've restarted, toggled Logging on and off and back on. Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #29 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Mar 21 03:11:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 27409 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2003 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 21 Mar 2003 02:11:31 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 53E4F385; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:12:40 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4FE357 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BF172E33; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:11:28 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:11:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 03:11:28 +0100 (CET) From: Listar To: npds digest users Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #31 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 20 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 031 In This Issue: [NPDS] Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Browsers Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:01:24 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >What do you think we should do? Should we always send CSS, >JavaScript and charset information except for Newton browsers? I would vote for this method. Since we know the limitations of the Newton software and have a fairly good idea that unless something drastic happens, very little development will occur on these browser down the road to accommodate the modern formats and protocols. That being said, is there any merit or efficiency in sending slimmed-down data to browser that aren't compliant or compatible with CSS, JavaScript, etc.? >Do you know any other browser we could avoid sending this >information? (say lynx & links?) Well, there's a nice list and archive of pretty much every browser imaginable over at evolt.org. I suppose we could build a list of possibilities. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:40:12 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Browsers From: Jim Witte >> What do you think we should do? Should we always send CSS, >> JavaScript and charset information except for Newton browsers? > I would vote for this method. Since we know the limitations of the > Newton A question I had a while back comes to mind: why isn't there a way for a server to query a browser not for what it is, but for what it can do? Instead of a server delivering different content based on whether it is IE, Netscape, Lynx, whatever, have it be able to specifically tell whether the client browser supported CSS, JavaScript, Java, etc. This would solve the problems of new browsers like Chimera (well, Camino now), with which you either have some pages that don't work, or have the browser identify itself as IE, in which case some things may not work either. Of course, I'd figure Microsoft would hate this kind of a spec, because it means they'd have to follow the DOM specs and such to the letter (although I've read that IE is among the more standards-compliant browsers out there - at least the Mac version ;-) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:27:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." Subject: [NPDS] Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Hi, I have now compleatly reinstalled my Newt and still NPDS will not work. I backed up my pages to a card, erased everything, and installed everything back again. When I serve the first page I get disconnected and the following message: (i)ProtoTCPServer Fin du serveur Contexte: ex Erreur: #208234816 And most times (not always) I get: (i)Newton Sorry, a problem has occurred. (-54014) The first message looks like French to me, but it doesn´t tell me anything. Guess Paul Guyot knows better than me what this means. :-) (By the way Paul: I liked your webpages today!) I used a 3com ethernet card. (Works with everything else) Does not dump a BugTrap! When I switched to my Farallon card I got: (i)ProtoTCPServer Fin du serveur Contexte: ex Erreur: #208240052 This time I got 2 logs from BugTrap: The first log mentions a get for "/favicon.ico" so I changed browser from Safari to OmniWeb. With OmniWeb I can browse my Newt without problems. But as soon a browser that asks for favicon.ico my webserver dies. :-( Here are the two BugTrap logs I got: Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 3/18/03 8:24 am Store: Internal CpyRght: ©1996 R. Rischpater & ©1998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#600CAE49).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#600CAE49).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#600CAE49).mDefaultResponse({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 59326, ciprivate: 52061471, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0...", method: "GET", uri: "/favicon.ico", version: "HTTP/1.0", headers: [#4], agent: NIL, referer: NIL, raw: "/favicon.ico", data: "", path: "/favicon.ico/", tag: "", frame truncated: '..., }):202 (#600DFAE1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 59326, ciprivate: 52061471, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0 Host: 158.36.48.10 Connection: close Accept: */* Accept-Language: en-us, ja;q=0.33, en;q=0.67 ", {byteCount: 127, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):291 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc = 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 8/27/97 7:49 pm CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap RAM: 394228 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 320x480 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools © Apple Computer, Inc. ------------ Next BugTrap log: Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not work correctly > Sorry, a problem has occurred. (-54014) Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 3/18/03 8:24 am Store: Internal CpyRght: ©1996 R. Rischpater & ©1998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#5FF).Cancel(NIL) Stack Trace: (#5FF).Cancel(NIL) (#600D9925).TurnADeafEar():4 (#600D9925).Closenow():3 Debugging at stack level: 1 Current Receiver from level: 1 {eState: 'disconnecting, DoListen: <_function: 0 args>, TurnADeafEar: <_function: 0 args>, TearDown: <_function: 0 args>, DoDispose: <_function: 0 args>, DoInstantiate: <_function: 1 arg>, DoCancel: <_function: 0 args>, DoUnbind: <_function: 0 args>, EPErrorHandler: <_function: 1 arg>, DoAccept: <_function: 0 args>, DoDisconnect: <_function: 0 args>, frame truncated: '..., } WARNING: The stop value you specified is larger than the length of the function. Disassembling to the end of the function. 0: PushConstant NIL 1: PushSelf 2: Push 'Cancel 3: Send 1 4: Pop 5: PushConstant NIL 6: PushSelf 7: Push 'SetInputSpec 8: Send 1 9: Return pc = 4 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 8/27/97 7:49 pm CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap RAM: 392132 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 320x480 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools © Apple Computer, Inc. - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:39:08 +1000 Hi, I'm getting this exact same problem. The error message seems to vary. My NPDS server seems to be stable. However, I can _always_ get this message when I try and access the server logs. In unrelated news, I discovered the reason why the CSS wasn't being applied to some pages served. It turns out that when tags aren't encased between <head> tags, the CSS isn't applied to that page. Thanks, David Drew. -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Halvor Kise jr. Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 8:28 AM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Hi, I have now compleatly reinstalled my Newt and still NPDS will not work. I backed up my pages to a card, erased everything, and installed everything back again. When I serve the first page I get disconnected and the following message: (i)ProtoTCPServer Fin du serveur Contexte: ex Erreur: #208234816 And most times (not always) I get: (i)Newton Sorry, a problem has occurred. (-54014) The first message looks like French to me, but it doesnt tell me anything. Guess Paul Guyot knows better than me what this means. :-) (By the way Paul: I liked your webpages today!) I used a 3com ethernet card. (Works with everything else) Does not dump a BugTrap! When I switched to my Farallon card I got: (i)ProtoTCPServer Fin du serveur Contexte: ex Erreur: #208240052 This time I got 2 logs from BugTrap: The first log mentions a get for "/favicon.ico" so I changed browser from Safari to OmniWeb. With OmniWeb I can browse my Newt without problems. But as soon a browser that asks for favicon.ico my webserver dies. :-( Here are the two BugTrap logs I got: Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 3/18/03 8:24 am Store: Internal CpyRght: 1996 R. Rischpater & 1998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#600CAE49).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#600CAE49).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#600CAE49).mDefaultResponse({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 59326, ciprivate: 52061471, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0...", method: "GET", uri: "/favicon.ico", version: "HTTP/1.0", headers: [#4], agent: NIL, referer: NIL, raw: "/favicon.ico", data: "", path: "/favicon.ico/", tag: "", frame truncated: '..., }):202 (#600DFAE1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 59326, ciprivate: 52061471, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0 Host: 158.36.48.10 Connection: close Accept: */* Accept-Language: en-us, ja;q=0.33, en;q=0.67 ", {byteCount: 127, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):291 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc = 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 8/27/97 7:49 pm CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap RAM: 394228 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 320x480 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools Apple Computer, Inc. ------------ Next BugTrap log: Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not work correctly > Sorry, a problem has occurred. (-54014) Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 3/18/03 8:24 am Store: Internal CpyRght: 1996 R. Rischpater & 1998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#5FF).Cancel(NIL) Stack Trace: (#5FF).Cancel(NIL) <native function> (#600D9925).TurnADeafEar():4 (#600D9925).Closenow():3 Debugging at stack level: 1 Current Receiver from level: 1 {eState: 'disconnecting, DoListen: <_function: 0 args>, TurnADeafEar: <_function: 0 args>, TearDown: <_function: 0 args>, DoDispose: <_function: 0 args>, DoInstantiate: <_function: 1 arg>, DoCancel: <_function: 0 args>, DoUnbind: <_function: 0 args>, EPErrorHandler: <_function: 1 arg>, DoAccept: <_function: 0 args>, DoDisconnect: <_function: 0 args>, frame truncated: '..., } WARNING: The stop value you specified is larger than the length of the function. Disassembling to the end of the function. 0: PushConstant NIL 1: PushSelf 2: Push 'Cancel 3: Send 1 4: Pop 5: PushConstant NIL 6: PushSelf 7: Push 'SetInputSpec 8: Send 1 9: Return pc = 4 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 8/27/97 7:49 pm CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap RAM: 392132 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 320x480 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools Apple Computer, Inc. - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:09:48 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, David Drew typed vigorously: >I'm getting this exact same problem. The error message seems to vary. My >NPDS server seems to be stable. However, I can _always_ get this message >when I try and access the server logs. David, if you have the latest version of nHTTPd installed (2.101), please note that the log file display functionality is currently broken. Paul mentioned this in the 2.101 announce message. The log file issue shouldn't have anything to do with the type of errors that Halvor is experiencing. Something else is going kerflunky there. >In unrelated news, I discovered the reason why the CSS wasn't being applied >to some pages served. It turns out that when <title> tags aren't encased >between <head> tags, the CSS isn't applied to that page. Were the <title> tags missing in your note, or just outside of the <head> tags? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" <nospam_david_at_hydrowash.com_dot_au> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:46:23 +1000 Hi, I'm aware that the logging is currently broken. However, I was expecting to see the new 500 error page, not these TCP proto errors in Freedom. In one page, the <title> tags were within the <body>. In two pages, they were before the <body>, but I had given the page no <head>. I know, my html is extremely poor. I don't even use </p> tags. Thanks again, David Drew -----Original Message----- From: Grant Hutchinson Sent: Friday, 21 March 2003 10:10 AM In a previous message, David Drew typed vigorously: >I'm getting this exact same problem. The error message seems to vary. My >NPDS server seems to be stable. However, I can _always_ get this message >when I try and access the server logs. David, if you have the latest version of nHTTPd installed (2.101), please note that the log file display functionality is currently broken. Paul mentioned this in the 2.101 announce message. The log file issue shouldn't have anything to do with the type of errors that Halvor is experiencing. Something else is going kerflunky there. >In unrelated news, I discovered the reason why the CSS wasn't being applied >to some pages served. It turns out that when <title> tags aren't encased >between <head> tags, the CSS isn't applied to that page. Were the <title> tags missing in your note, or just outside of the <head> tags? g. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #31 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Mar 20 03:32:41 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 4619 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2003 02:11:47 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 02:11:47 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 4E6F64A7; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:12:53 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1BC49C for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C061D72E2E; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:11:40 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:11:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 03:11:40 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #30 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030320021140.C061D72E2E_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 19 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 030 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 [NPDS] Browsers [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:38:03 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >Can somebody confirm for me that logging works in 2.101? I cannot get >it to work: I get an Internal Server Error. The /cfg page loads fine, >but when it goes to produce the log it fails. Well, sort of. Logging _is_ working in 2.101, but log viewing is temporarily busted. Paul mentioned this in the announcement message: >Umm, I've just realized I have broken the /cfg/ logs viewer. >You'll see the new 500 page then. In the meantime, you can export the log file to either Notepad or NewtWorks using one of the following NewtonScript calls - :LogToTextFile or :LogToWorks g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:15:49 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 18/3/03 à 19:38 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >Can somebody confirm for me that logging works in 2.101? I cannot get >>it to work: I get an Internal Server Error. The /cfg page loads fine, >>but when it goes to produce the log it fails. > >Well, sort of. Logging _is_ working in 2.101, but log viewing is >temporarily busted. Actually, it could kill the server in 2.1 if the log was too big. >In the meantime, you can export the log file to either Notepad or >NewtWorks using one of the following NewtonScript calls - :LogToTextFile >or :LogToWorks LogToTextFile doesn't export to the notepad but exports to text. You have two options (to put in a DashBord or NPDS script) GetRoot().paperroll:MakeTextNote(GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToTextFile(nil), true); GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToWorks(nil); Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:49:08 -0800 From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Great: thanks for the explanation. Checking out the log is more of a curiosity thing than a need at this point; I hope in the future we're able to more easily access it. Thanks again, Josh P.S. My NPDS has been running for over 15 hours now!! Incredible, Paul! On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 11:15PM, Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: >Il me semble que le 18/3/03 � 19:38 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >> >Can somebody confirm for me that logging works in 2.101? I cannot get >>>it to work: I get an Internal Server Error. The /cfg page loads fine, >>>but when it goes to produce the log it fails. >> >>Well, sort of. Logging _is_ working in 2.101, but log viewing is >>temporarily busted. > >Actually, it could kill the server in 2.1 if the log was too big. > >>In the meantime, you can export the log file to either Notepad or >>NewtWorks using one of the following NewtonScript calls - :LogToTextFile >>or :LogToWorks > >LogToTextFile doesn't export to the notepad but exports to text. > >You have two options (to put in a DashBord or NPDS script) > >GetRoot().paperroll:MakeTextNote(GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToTextFile(nil), >true); > >GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToWorks(nil); > >Paul >-- >NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ >Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:56:44 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 07:49 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >Great: thanks for the explanation. > >Checking out the log is more of a curiosity thing than a need at >this point; I hope in the future we're able to more easily access it. Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. >P.S. My NPDS has been running for over 15 hours now!! Incredible, Paul! Both my Newton and Grant's became unavailable. Mine rebooted and since I froze the watcher, NPDS wasn't restarted. I don't know about Grant's. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:12:09 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Well, sort of. Logging _is_ working in 2.101, but log viewing is >>temporarily busted. > >Actually, it could kill the server in 2.1 if the log was too big. Hey, Paul. Could this be what happened to my server? I wasn't running 2.101 with the changes to the log creation code. Just a thought. >>In the meantime, you can export the log file to either Notepad or >>NewtWorks using one of the following NewtonScript calls - :LogToTextFile >>or :LogToWorks > >LogToTextFile doesn't export to the notepad but exports to text. Oops. I got that mixed up. Thanks for the script snippets. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:13:07 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Checking out the log is more of a curiosity thing than a need at >>this point; I hope in the future we're able to more easily access it. > >Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. I'd better start polishing up my NewtwonScript pronto. Yikes! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:18:23 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 09:12 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Hey, Paul. Could this be what happened to my server? I wasn't running >2.101 with the changes to the log creation code. Just a thought. I think it could restart the server or make it unavailable for a while. I don't think this is the cause of your downtime since you gave me hints about what occurred. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:19:20 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 09:13 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. > >Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. You're sure you didn't promise it? The mailing list archives aren't up to date on the server, so we cannot check ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:15:18 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Quoting Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com>: > In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > > >>Checking out the log is more of a curiosity thing than a need at > >>this point; I hope in the future we're able to more easily access it. > > > >Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. > > Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. I'd better start polishing up my > NewtwonScript pronto. Yikes! Heck, not that hard. Just write a single NewtonScript function that reads the log soup, does its stats mojo, and writes HTML to a note in the proper folder. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:26:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 13:15 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: > > >Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. >> >> Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. I'd better start polishing up my >> NewtwonScript pronto. Yikes! > >Heck, not that hard. Just write a single NewtonScript function that reads the >log soup, does its stats mojo, and writes HTML to a note in the proper folder. You see, Josh, not only did Grant promise us a nWebalizer, but moreover Victor will help. I think you'll get the first beta of nWebalizer in three or four days ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:35:06 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Quoting Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>: > Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 13:15 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: > > > >Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. > >> > >> Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. I'd better start polishing up my > >> NewtwonScript pronto. Yikes! > > > >Heck, not that hard. Just write a single NewtonScript function that reads > the > >log soup, does its stats mojo, and writes HTML to a note in the proper > folder. > > You see, Josh, not only did Grant promise us a nWebalizer, but > moreover Victor will help. I think you'll get the first beta of > nWebalizer in three or four days ;) Hey, now I did *not* say I would help. ;) Gah, I've got to do real work today, and you guys have me thinking about NewtonScript... damn you all! damn you all to hell! ...we'll see. Paul, where are the log entries stored? I don't feel like wading through someone else's source today - If I write anything I'll just pass it off to you and let you fold it into the server package. *IF* I write anything. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:47:09 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 13:35 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >...we'll see. Paul, where are the log entries stored? They're in the log soup ;) NPDSLog:MAVON >I don't feel like >wading through someone else's source today - If I write anything I'll just >pass it off to you and let you fold it into the server package. Well, I think the best is to make it a separate module that will provide log rotation, export to notes/works, put digested results into its own soup, serve the content of this soup when you access say /stats/ with nice pie-charts and compress the old log entries with ZLib, etc. Ok, I admit this will be 0.2 ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:00:08 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Quoting Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>: > Well, I think the best is to make it a separate module that will > provide log rotation, export to notes/works, put digested results > into its own soup, serve the content of this soup when you access say > /stats/ with nice pie-charts and compress the old log entries with > ZLib, etc. Ok, I admit this will be 0.2 ;) Let's prioritize that list: 1. digest logs into summary pages - by day/week/month/overall - HTML pages written to folder in Notes 1.5 export to Works as an option (?) 2. save summary entries into its own soup - optionally delete log entries that have been processed to save space 3. make into an NPDS module, serve up data at /stats/ 4. draw pie charts with Paul's PChart module ;) (actually, the only Newton app I've see draw pie charts was the PieChart memory-usage app: http://roger.trideja.com/newton/piechart.html ) -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:09:18 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 14:00 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >Let's prioritize that list: > >1. digest logs into summary pages > - by day/week/month/overall > - HTML pages written to folder in Notes >1.5 export to Works as an option (?) >2. save summary entries into its own soup > - optionally delete log entries that have been processed to save space >3. make into an NPDS module, serve up data at /stats/ >4. draw pie charts with Paul's PChart module ;) >(actually, the only Newton app I've see draw pie charts was the PieChart >memory-usage app: http://roger.trideja.com/newton/piechart.html ) Seriously, writing a module (that can serve web pages) is as easy as exporting to notes (which means you have to (a) name smartly the notes, (b) link notes together, (c) file the notes to the NPDS folder, (d) implement user authentication into NPDS core and its usage into the NoteServ module). So I'd say: 1/ write a dummy module that serves a page not found error (eventually, this should become a nHTTPd function) 2/ design the GUI with an Export raw log to Works button that just calls :LogToWorks. 3/ design the soup format. In fact, I think several soups might be better. 4/ write a function that takes the log soup and digest it into monthly stats in a special soup. It can optionally purge the log items from the log soup. 5/ finish the server so it serves items from this soup, making it HTML. 6/ add a scheduler using NewtonOS' wonderful periodical APIs 7/ serve pie charts as well as simple vertical charts (awstats just defines <img> tags with a width and a height and serve a dummy picture. You could avoid this with CSS I guess. 8/ compress the old log with ZLib. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:17:57 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Browsers Hi all, I was wondering: what do you think the policy regarding browsers should be? When NPDS appeared, there weren't that many browsers doing CSS and Javascript around, so Matt decided to test user-agent strings against a set of browsers. I think that now most browsers do CSS and JavaScript (actually, if they don't, they can ignore it) except the three Newton browsers (especially NetHopper which doesn't like charsets different from mac-roman). What do you think we should do? Should we always send CSS, JavaScript and charset information except for Newton browsers? Do you know any other browser we could avoid sending this information? (say lynx & links?) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:57:22 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>> Of course. Grant promised to cook us a nWebalizer. >> >> Did I actually promise that? Oh, no. > > You're sure you didn't promise it? I think I suggested it. By association, I suppose I'm now signed up on the project. >The mailing list archives aren't up to date on the >server, so we cannot check. Now _that_ I'm working on. Stay tuned. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:10:12 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >1. digest logs into summary pages > - by day/week/month/overall > - HTML pages written to folder in Notes Depending on how fancy you want to get, you could have different sections per digest covering overall traffic, traffic by referrer/browser/platform/ as well. >1.5 export to Works as an option (?) To Works as text? Or to Works as QFWorks spreadsheet? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 16:24:41 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives Quoting Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com>: > >The mailing list archives aren't up to date on the > >server, so we cannot check. > > Now _that_ I'm working on. Stay tuned. Or we could just use MARC, like NTLK does. If you have old messages in mbox format they should be able to do a bulk load of the old stuff as well. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:25:51 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 16:24 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >Or we could just use MARC, like NTLK does. If you have old messages in mbox >format they should be able to do a bulk load of the old stuff as well. I've asked MARC in the past and they didn't reply. I also have the source code of HyperMail somewhere on my disk. I have some C++ code to convert Eudora mBoxes to Unix format, btw. Gotta finish this for Friday next week. Paul, who gets back to Tolman's Sowbug in Java. -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:44:14 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Or we could just use MARC, like NTLK does. If you have old messages in mbox >>format they should be able to do a bulk load of the old stuff as well. > >I've asked MARC in the past and they didn't reply. >I also have the source code of HyperMail somewhere on my disk. > >I have some C++ code to convert Eudora mBoxes to Unix format, btw. I have an AppleScript that does the same thing, plus another that converts Claris Emailer (my client of choice) to standard digest format. I'm customizing one so that it spits out HTML. I have Hypermail loaded on the Newted server, but haven't mucked about with it yet. It doesn't really matter what we use, I'd just like something complete and consistent. Let me work on this one. You guys have enough stuff on your plates as it is. >Gotta finish this for Friday next week. Finish what, Paul? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:48:13 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives Il me semble que le 19/3/03 à 14:44 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >Gotta finish this for Friday next week. > >Finish what, Paul? My genetic-programming-based spam filtering tool. I shouldn't have touched NPDS recently since I have plenty of papers to write, but it's like a drug, I need my daily dose like Daniel says ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:28:37 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> On Wednesday, March 19, 2003, at 10:26 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > > You see, Josh, not only did Grant promise us a nWebalizer, but > moreover Victor will help. I think you'll get the first beta of > nWebalizer in three or four days ;) > Perfect!! Josh ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Logging in 2.101 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:38:59 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >> You see, Josh, not only did Grant promise us a nWebalizer, but >> moreover Victor will help. I think you'll get the first beta of >> nWebalizer in three or four days ;) > >Perfect!! I trust that everyone can sense Paul's sarcasm in setting this particular development timeline. We're on it, boss. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #30 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Mar 24 03:11:35 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 551 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2003 02:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 24 Mar 2003 02:11:12 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 3215E266; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:11:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BBA1FE for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D0E72E39; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:11:04 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #32 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030324021104.60D0E72E39_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 23 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 032 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 [NPDS] Re: Browsers [NPDS] Re: tracker client question [NPDS] Re: Browsers [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: tracker client question [NPDS] Re: tracker client question [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: tracker client question [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:15:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] tracker client question From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> I was wondering if someone could explain how to use the tracker client. The docs don't seem to match what I am looking at. Tracker 2.035 nhttp 2.042 My mainquestion is setup behind a firewall. I see how to set the public IP, but can I set the public port? Or do I have to run NPDS on the same port that my NAT will pass? In the tracker server section, what's the difference between the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:32:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> As a update, I upgraded to serber 2.101 and tracker 2.1. Still have same questions. Also, I have this message on the screen now just after the tracker client registers. FSM is executing toward terminal state. What does that mean? Thanks, Greg > > I was wondering if someone could explain how to use the tracker > client. The docs don't seem to match what I am looking at. > > Tracker 2.035 > nhttp 2.042 > > My mainquestion is setup behind a firewall. I see how to set the > public IP, but can I set the public port? Or do I have to run > NPDS on the same port that my NAT will pass? > > In the tracker server section, what's the difference between > the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? > > Thanks, > Greg > > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:06:30 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Hi all, I've just uploaded Binary Server 1.11 and BinInstaller 1.1. What's new: * Binaries are now served asynchronously and in chunks (it means you can serve large binaries). * Fixed the about box bug (Grant, Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:26:02 -0700) * The installer template now copies the binary into a compressed VBO (allows binaries larger than 64 KB) You can update the module without restarting NPDS. Binary Server 1.11 requires nHTTPd 2.1 or higher. You'll find this on NPDS website (http://npds.free.fr/modules/binaryserver/) This time I saw the BBEdit 7.0.3 bug in action. Sending a bug report. Special thanks to Grant for testing this new version (including serving QuickTime sample movies ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:15:53 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Browsers Il me semble que le 20/3/03 à 10:01 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >That being said, is there any merit or efficiency in sending slimmed-down >data to browser that aren't compliant or compatible with CSS, JavaScript, >etc.? I think Matt did this to save CPU. The only mandatory requirement is to send no charset indication to NetHopper. Considering the limit of 16 endpoints in NIE (geez, I hate this low limit), I think I'll work toward limiting the data sent. OTOH, I probably could patch NIE to increase this limit a little bit, say with 3 or 4 left shifts. > >Do you know any other browser we could avoid sending this >>information? (say lynx & links?) > >Well, there's a nice list and archive of pretty much every browser >imaginable over at evolt.org. I suppose we could build a list of >possibilities. OK, thanks for the link. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:28:49 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Il me semble que le 22/3/03 à 22:15 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > I was wondering if someone could explain how to use the tracker >client. The docs don't seem to match what I am looking at. Are you sure? Did you check: http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/NPDSNetworkSetup.html And: http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/-500702107$363.nsd ? > My mainquestion is setup behind a firewall. I see how to set the >public IP, but can I set the public port? Or do I have to run >NPDS on the same port that my NAT will pass? You have to run NPDS on the same port that your NAT will pass. It is explicitely mentioned in the first documentation and maybe in Josh's document. Is it a problem for your network? > In the tracker server section, what's the difference between >the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? Matt's tracker served the HTML document on port 80 via a CGI and talked to Newtons on port 2110. Victor's tracker serves the HTML document directly. Set both port numbers to 3180. Il me semble que le 22/3/03 à 22:32 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > As a update, I upgraded to serber 2.101 and tracker 2.1. Still >have same questions. Also, I have this message on the screen >now just after the tracker client registers. > >FSM is executing toward terminal state. > > What does that mean? That you have older settings: the tracker client tries to connect to Matt's tracker (on port 2110) and the server doesn't respond. The tracker client is basd on Apple's Thumb sample code and it sometimes displays these weird messages intented to demonstrate the use and features of FSM with NIE. Update the server to misato.chuma.org or npds-tracker.continuity.cx. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:21:35 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Browsers Il me semble que le 20/3/03 à 12:40 -0500, Jim Witte nous racontait: > A question I had a while back comes to mind: why isn't there a way >for a server to query a browser not for what it is, but for what it >can do? Instead of a server delivering different content based on >whether it is IE, Netscape, Lynx, whatever, have it be able to >specifically tell whether the client browser supported CSS, >JavaScript, Java, etc. This would solve the problems of new >browsers like Chimera (well, Camino now), with which you either have >some pages that don't work, or have the browser identify itself as >IE, in which case some things may not work either. Of course, I'd >figure Microsoft would hate this kind of a spec, because it means >they'd have to follow the DOM specs and such to the letter (although >I've read that IE is among the more standards-compliant browsers out >there - at least the Mac version ;-) First, a server doesn't query a browser. The browser sends information about what it can do and what it wants, and the server replies. This information can include preferences and therefore there can be what one calls content negotiation. But in this negotiation scheme there is no CSS/JavaScript and Java information. It is either languages the user wants (I'll probably include negotiation on the server with NPDS 3) and MIME types (like if the browser can do text/xml, can read GIFs, etc.). NPDS doesn't take this into account yet. To know if a browser can do CSS/JavaScript and so on, one usually parses the UserAgent string. So a new browser like Camino is likely to include "Mozilla/5.0" in its User-Agent string. This is a de-facto standard. FYI, Camino prefers text/xml to text/html & text/plain and pngs & jpegs to gifs. But you're right. I think I'll follow Grant's wise suggestion. NPDS will send full content except for Newton browsers and I'll omit the charset indication for NetHopper. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:34:17 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 21/3/03 à 10:46 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >I'm aware that the logging is currently broken. However, I was expecting to >see the new 500 error page, not these TCP proto errors in Freedom. Please install BugTrap (http://www.tactile.com) and set it to catch errors within try statements. It will generate a log for this TCP Server error. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:34:31 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 20/3/03 à 23:27 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >When I serve the first page I get disconnected and the following message: >(i)ProtoTCPServer >Fin du serveur >Contexte: ex >Erreur: #208234816 > >And most ti ^^^^^^^ We were interrupted. I was able to visit your Newton and get one or two pages. Could you please tell us which Newton you have? What is the value of MaxClients settings? Have you tried to run Wipe and to reconfigure NPDS? Do you have installed and enabled the watcher? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:16:38 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Il me semble que le 20/3/03 à 23:27 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous > > > >And most ti > ^^^^^^^ > We were interrupted. What? Didn´t you get the whole mail I sent to the list? > I was able to visit your Newton and get one or two pages. So that was you then! * Evil grin * I needed the power supply for my other newton, so it never came back on again. I´ll hook it back on now. > Could you please tell us which Newton you have? What is the value of MP2100, not an upgraded 2000. Running your latest patch to the latest OS from Apple (710031) > MaxClients settings? Have you tried to run Wipe and to reconfigure MaxClients settings? Me stupid, you explain, o´wise one. No I did not run wipe. When I got these problems the first time I backed up my HTML pages and _totaly_ erased everything on my Newt. Then I upgraded it to 710031, installed NPDS and still got the problem. No need for wipe if I totaly cleaned it I thought... > NPDS? Do you have installed and enabled the watcher? Hmmm.. For some reason I thought it wasn´t compatible with the latest version, so I haven´t installed it. (Where did I read that?) Thanks for your response. - Halvor. > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:59:15 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 11:16 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: > > >And most ti > > ^^^^^^^ > > We were interrupted. > >What? Didn¥t you get the whole mail I sent to the list? My bad. It's Eudora beta's poor handling of UTF-8. So I only see the bugtrap log now. >So that was you then! * Evil grin * I have the tracker as my home page, so I quickly see it when a new server is online ;) >Hmmm.. For some reason I thought it wasn¥t compatible with the latest >version, so I haven¥t installed it. (Where did I read that?) Right here or on the website. Indeed, please don't install it. After analyzing your bugtrap logs, I'm quite lost. Maybe checking the maxClients settings wasn't a bad idea after all. Please open the preferences ([i] Prefs) and then choose the Admin tab. What happens is that somewhat some endpoints are lost and NPDS uses NIL. Is there any chance that you could hook NTK or run ViewFrame from your Newton? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:51:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > After analyzing your bugtrap logs, I'm quite lost. Maybe checking the > maxClients settings wasn't a bad idea after all. Please open the > preferences ([i] Prefs) and then choose the Admin tab. Was 8 is now changed to 10 > What happens is that somewhat some endpoints are lost and NPDS uses > NIL. Is there any chance that you could hook NTK or run ViewFrame > from your Newton? Hmmm... Havn´t run NTK since MacOS 9, running X now. I´ll see. What is / how does ViewFrame help us? Doesn´t everybody else have the same problem? Have everybody else installed a favicon.ico icon in the binary server or something like that, which make our intalls different? I have installed the binary server and a binary installer, but haven´t used any of them yet. - Halvor. > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:53:49 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Paul Guyot wrote: >> In the tracker server section, what's the difference between >> the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? > > > Matt's tracker served the HTML document on port 80 via a CGI and talked > to Newtons on port 2110. > Victor's tracker serves the HTML document directly. Set both port > numbers to 3180. That should be port 3680. Also Paul, I noticed a bug in the tracker server the other day: you can register with an empty hostname. I'll fix it and send you the new source today. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:52:03 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 10:53 -0500, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >That should be port 3680. You're right. >Also Paul, I noticed a bug in the tracker server the other day: you >can register with an empty hostname. I'll fix it and send you the >new source today. Great. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:17:11 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 15:51 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: > > What happens is that somewhat some endpoints are lost and NPDS uses > > NIL. Is there any chance that you could hook NTK or run ViewFrame > > from your Newton? > >Hmmm... Havn´t run NTK since MacOS 9, running X now. I´ll see. >What is / how does ViewFrame help us? ViewFrame is a development tool that lets one run NewtonScript code on a Newton and inspect NewtonScript structures. >Doesn´t everybody else have the same problem? No. David said he has the same problems but I'm waiting for his bugtrap report to confirm. Until then, I consider it's a problem on your Newton only. I've tried to get favicon.ico on my Newton's and it didn't crash it. Everyone here except you who runs NPDS 2.1 gets very long uptimes, totally unrelated to what NPDS 2.0x since I hacked it used us to. There is a bug in 2.1 and 2.101 which limits this uptime around three days statistically, Grant and I are running pre-release builds to see if indeed, I fixed the problem. >Have everybody else installed a favicon.ico icon in the binary server or >something like that, which make our intalls different? It sounds a good idea, and actually I thought about installing a default icon into NPDS. However, you cannot customize /favicon.ico. You can only customize /bin/favicon.ico, which requires to set it to be so in your web pages with something like: <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/bin/favicon.ico"> And it means that if one accesses /screen, they won't get your favicon. I'm not sure how to add '<link rel="shortcut icon" href="/bin/favicon.ico">' into every page including Notes pages. I put that into the newly created NPDS 3.x ToDo list. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:56:49 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Special thanks to Grant for testing this new version >(including serving QuickTime sample movies ;) We may as well give the Binary Server a real test right? Here are the URLs to the various binaries that I loaded up on my Newton. (Dang, I really should move my stuff to a bigger card and then I could serve stuff like the MP2100 user manual PDF...) 1 KB GIF http://207.34.68.38:8080/bin/images/serve.gif 8 KB GIF http://207.34.68.38:8080/bin/images/me.gif 120 KB GIF http://207.34.68.38:8080/bin/images/kingsnewton.gif 50 KB JPEG http://207.34.68.38:8080/bin/images/best.jpg 80 KB QuickTime Movie http://207.34.68.38:8080/bin/images/sample.mov More to follow. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:20:50 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Have everybody else installed a favicon.ico icon in the binary >>server or something like that, which make our intalls different? > >It sounds a good idea, and actually I thought about installing a >default icon into NPDS. You guys have been reading my mind. I was just finishing up writing the section of the BinInstaller user guide on how to create and serve favicon.ico files out of the binary soup. >And it means that if one accesses /screen, they won't get your >favicon. I'm not sure how to add '<link rel="shortcut icon" >href="/bin/favicon.ico">' into every page including Notes pages. If it were up to me, I would handle it similar to the way NPDS 2.x allows you to optionally insert CSS into every served page. Make it a checkbox, with wither a field to specify the name of the file or a pop-up. Perhaps NPDS could look at the contents of the binary soup and if anything is defined as having a 'image/x-icon' MIME type, then it would appear in a pop-up list within the prefs window. >I put that into the newly created NPDS 3.x ToDo list. That must be some ToDo list by now... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:43 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >* Fixed the about box bug (Grant, Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:26:02 -0700) Paul, I discovered that this same bug exists in the current versions of CardServ, DateServ, and NoteServ (2.1) as well. All of the other modules seem to be unaffected. It's not a big issue, but I though you might like to know about it. I can supply additional BugTraps if you like. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:01:11 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Paul, I don't know if this is specifically Binary Server related, but BugTrap generated the following report. It looks like it crashed during a Binary Server disconnect, but I could be reading the report incorrectly. I have not had this particular crash before: http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$1292.nsd Oh, and the about box of the Binary Server says the version is '1.101' rather than the '1.11' currently mentioned on the NPDS site. I'm not sure which is the accurate version number. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:08:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> > Il me semble que le 22/3/03 à 22:15 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >> I was wondering if someone could explain how to use the tracker >>client. The docs don't seem to match what I am looking at. > > Are you sure? > > Did you check: > http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/NPDSNetworkSetup.html > And: > http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/-500702107$363.nsd > ? > Thanks. The tracker module page refered to the 2.0 docs at http://npds.free.fr/docs/english/ . The sites above were helpful even though there were a few dead links. >> My mainquestion is setup behind a firewall. I see how to set the >>public IP, but can I set the public port? Or do I have to run >>NPDS on the same port that my NAT will pass? > > You have to run NPDS on the same port that your NAT will pass. It is > explicitely mentioned in the first documentation and maybe in Josh's > document. Is it a problem for your network? > Not a problem, it just wasn't mentioned on the pages I was looking at. >> In the tracker server section, what's the difference between >>the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? > > Matt's tracker served the HTML document on port 80 via a CGI and > talked to Newtons on port 2110. > Victor's tracker serves the HTML document directly. Set both port > numbers to 3180. Great. I noticed on the NPDS homepage that it says to use http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:8080 if I am behind a firewall. Does this particular one require the Newton and HTTP port to be set to 8080, just like Victor's are both set to 3680? Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:29:38 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Gregory Gee typed vigorously: >Thanks. The tracker module page refered to the 2.0 docs at >http://npds.free.fr/docs/english/. The sites above were helpful >even though there were a few dead links. Sorry for the confusion Gregory. The original NPDS documentation is severely needing an overhaul. In the meantime, I have just added links to the NPDS Network Setup document from the HTTP Server and Tracker Client sections of the Modules listing. Hopefully, this will be clearer for folks in the future - at least until we get around to rewriting all of the full NPDS documentation. >> Matt's tracker served the HTML document on port 80 via a CGI and >> talked to Newtons on port 2110. Victor's tracker serves the HTML >> document directly. Set both port numbers to 3180. > >Great. I noticed on the NPDS homepage that it says to use >http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:8080 if I am behind a firewall. >Does this particular one require the Newton and HTTP port to be >set to 8080, just like Victor's are both set to 3680? I believe that this is mentioned because many firewalls do not pass traffic on certain ports (such as 3680). Most firewalls however, will allow traffic on port 8080, since it is generally accepted as an alternate port for the HTTP protocol. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:33:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Looking for HTML authoring tips. From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> Now that I have my NPDS up and running, I really need to change the default page. I was wondering what people use to create there pages. Do people really use the Notepad to edit there pages? I recently grabbed nHTML. This will help quite a bit. But I am looking to tips on editing pages off the Newton. Please note I only have an ethernet connection. My newt doesn't have any serial cables(need to get one). Also, I am connected to a Mac running 10.2. Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:18:49 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 12:41 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Paul, I discovered that this same bug exists in the current versions of >CardServ, DateServ, and NoteServ (2.1) as well. All of the other modules >seem to be unaffected. It's not a big issue, but I though you might like >to know about it. I can supply additional BugTraps if you like. I fixed it in NoteServ. I'm making a note to do it for CardServe and DateServ. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:26:10 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] BinaryServer 1.11 Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 13:01 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Paul, I don't know if this is specifically Binary Server related, but >BugTrap generated the following report. It looks like it crashed during a >Binary Server disconnect, but I could be reading the report incorrectly. >I have not had this particular crash before: > >http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$1292.nsd It didn't really crash but just threw an exception. You didn't get any message, did you? >Oh, and the about box of the Binary Server says the version is '1.101' >rather than the '1.11' currently mentioned on the NPDS site. I'm not sure >which is the accurate version number. My bad. If you recompile the source code, it will say 1.11 (which is higher, I follow Matt's decimal notation). I make a note to re-upload the files. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:08:02 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 12:20 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >You guys have been reading my mind. I was just finishing up writing the >section of the BinInstaller user guide on how to create and serve >favicon.ico files out of the binary soup. When will we be able to put our hands on such a beast? >If it were up to me, I would handle it similar to the way NPDS 2.x allows >you to optionally insert CSS into every served page. Make it a checkbox, >with wither a field to specify the name of the file or a pop-up. Perhaps >NPDS could look at the contents of the binary soup and if anything is >defined as having a 'image/x-icon' MIME type, then it would appear in a >pop-up list within the prefs window. Sounds a good approach. > >I put that into the newly created NPDS 3.x ToDo list. > >That must be some ToDo list by now... I need your help to set it up. Please check: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd And please post about anything I forgot. BTW, I might have solved the Communication was dropped message error, but my server stopped working for a while just like Grant's did. I know what is happening but I don't know why. I was able to smoothly resurrecting it by closing an endpoint and telling it to listen again. I'll dig further on this problem. I've also updated the tracker on amaterasu (npds-tracker.continuity.cx). FYI, the box is currently submitted to emergency procedures because it is being attacked from a Windows box with HTTP requests, so it is a little bit the panic here. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:10:00 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 13:29 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >Great. I noticed on the NPDS homepage that it says to use >>http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:8080 if I am behind a firewall. >>Does this particular one require the Newton and HTTP port to be >>set to 8080, just like Victor's are both set to 3680? > >I believe that this is mentioned because many firewalls do not pass >traffic on certain ports (such as 3680). Most firewalls however, will >allow traffic on port 8080, since it is generally accepted as an >alternate port for the HTTP protocol. This is mostly to see the tracker server from a web browser. If your Newton cannot access a remote host on port 3680 and you cannot change anything in that regard, it's not very likely that the world can access it and therefore tracking it is meaningless. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" <nospam_david_at_hydrowash.com_dot_au> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:34:04 +1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2F1E0.21FB4980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Attached is the bugtrap log. I repeated the error three times, just for = good measure. The first and third times it generated one log, the second time = it generated three logs. Also attached is a screenshot of the crash, taken via VNC. Hope this helps, David Drew -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of = Paul Guyot Sent: Sunday, 23 March 2003 4:34 PM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 21/3/03 =E0 10:46 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >I'm aware that the logging is currently broken. However, I was = expecting to >see the new 500 error page, not these TCP proto errors in Freedom. Please install BugTrap (http://www.tactile.com) and set it to catch=20 errors within try statements. It will generate a log for this TCP=20 Server error. Paul --=20 NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=3Dunsubscribe] ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2F1E0.21FB4980 Content-Type: text/plain; name="buglog2.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="buglog2.txt" <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:07 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 84525, ciprivate: 52077050, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 84525, ciprivate: 52077050, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 321280 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 308748 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:07 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 84525, ciprivate: 52077050, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 84525, ciprivate: 52077050, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 321280 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 308748 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:08 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Sorry, a problem has occurred. (A communications problem has occurred. Connection may have been = dropped.) Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#5FF).Disconnect(TRUE, {async: TRUE, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, }) Stack Trace: (#5FF).Disconnect(TRUE, {async: TRUE, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, }) <native function> (#6056B125).DoDisconnect():19 Debugging at stack level: 1 Current Receiver from level: 1 {eState: 'disconnecting, DoListen: <_function: 0 args>, TurnADeafEar: <_function: 0 args>, TearDown: <_function: 0 args>, DoDispose: <_function: 0 args>, DoInstantiate: <_function: 1 arg>, DoCancel: <_function: 0 args>, DoUnbind: <_function: 0 args>, EPErrorHandler: <_function: 1 arg>, DoAccept: <_function: 0 args>, DoDisconnect: <_function: 0 args>, frame truncated: '..., } 0: Push 'disconnecting 1: SetFindVar 'eState 2: Push 'ex.evt 3: PushConstant 26 6: NewHandlers 1 7: PushConstant TRUE 10: PushConstant TRUE 13: Push <_function: 3 args> 14: Push [NIL,'async,'CompletionScript,] 15: MakeFrame 2 16: PushSelf 17: Push 'disconnect 18: Send 2 19: Pop 20: PopHandlers 23: Branch 92 26: Push 'CurrentException 27: Call 0 28: Push 'name pc =3D 19 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 326208 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:08 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 87706, ciprivate: 52079035, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 87706, ciprivate: 52079035, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 308196 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 311420 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:08 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 87706, ciprivate: 52079035, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 87706, ciprivate: 52079035, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 308196 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 311420 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:08 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 89519, ciprivate: 52079446, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 89519, ciprivate: 52079446, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 293396 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 300196 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:08 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: nHTTPd Version: 1 Created: 18/3/03 8:24 AM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A91996 R. Rischpater & =A91998-9 Matthew Vaughn (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr(), 27: Push 'inAddr Stack Trace: (#6055C649).mGetHostAddressStr():27 (#6055C649).mReportInternalError({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 89519, ciprivate: 52079446, eState: 'connected, }, {requestLine: "GET = /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DV...", method: "GET", uri: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView ...", version: "HTTP/1.1", headers: [#10], agent: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv...", referer: "http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg...", raw: "/cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+...", path: "/cfg/", data: "makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView Log...", tag: "makelog.ns", frame truncated: '..., }):11 (#605712E1).InputScript({mServer: {#11}, _parent: {#11}, _proto: {#18}, mID: 89519, ciprivate: 52079446, eState: 'connected, }, "GET /cfg/makelog.ns?sorton=3Dhost&pass=3D1854&Submit=3DView+Log = HTTP/1.1 Host: 192.168.0.195:8088 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) = Gecko/20030308 Phoenix/0.5 Accept: = text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=3D0.9,text/pla= in;q=3D0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=3D0.2,*/*;q=3D0.1= Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=3D0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate,compress;q=3D0.9 Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=3D0.7,*;q=3D0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Referer: http://192.168.0.195:8088/cfg If-Modified-Since: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:35:00 GMT ", {byteCount: 599, condition: 'endsequence, index: 0, }, NIL):259 Debugging at stack level: 0 Current Receiver from level: 0 {termination: {#1}, InputScript: <_function: 4 args>, CompletionScript: <_function: 3 args>, } 0: Push 'nHTTPd:ALLPEN 1: PushConstant NIL 2: Push 'GetAppPrefs 3: Call 2 4: Push 'sport 5: GetPath 1 6: SetVar [ 4 ] 7: Push 'GetRoot 8: Call 0 9: Push 'Traq:MAVON 10: GetPath 1 11: SetVar [ 5 ] 12: GetVar [ 5 ] 13: BranchIfNil 20 16: GetVar [ 5 ] 17: Push 'GetPublicIP 18: SendIfDefined 0 19: SetVar [ 3 ] 20: GetVar [ 3 ] 21: PushConstant NIL 22: Equal 2 23: BranchIfNil 36 26: FindVar 'app 27: Push 'inAddr 30: GetPath 1 31: Push <_function: 1 arg> 34: Invoke 1 35: SetVar [ 3 ] 36: GetVar [ 3 ] 37: Push " " pc =3D 27 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 293396 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc.Newton machine type: 268447744 = Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 300196 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. NSDebugTools =A9 Apple Computer, Inc. <<Title: BugTrap Crash Log - 24/3/03 8:12 AM>> Dear Developer: This BugTrap log was created when I < insert explantion here >. This problem/log < only happened once / is something I can reproduce >. The log was created and the program appeared to < work correctly / not = work correctly > Crashed in function from: vnc:TKnollSys Version: 33 Created: 28/11/01 12:39 PM Store: Packages CpyRght: =A92001, S. Weyer. All rights reserved. root.GlobalOuterBox() Stack Trace: root.GlobalOuterBox() <native function> (#C621061).viewQuitScript():5 root._Close() <native function> root.KillRootChildren!([{#26},{#22},]):76 (#814F).CloseAllButMe({_parent: {#124}, _proto: @8269, viewCObject: 52061012, currentState: 0, currentStatusSetup: {#3}, inited: TRUE, autodock: NIL, stopping: NIL, restoring: NIL, viewFlags: 577, curView: @585, frame truncated: '..., }):51 (#754CB1).viewIdleScript():61 Debugging at stack level: 1 Current Receiver from level: 1 {viewQuitScript: <_function: 0 args>, viewDrawScript: <_function: 0 args>, viewBounds: {#4}, stepChildren: [#3] - stepChildren, DB_CalcBounds: <_function: 1 arg>, viewClickScript: <_function: 1 arg>, preAllocatedContext: 'triBtn, } 0: PushSelf 1: Push 'viewQuitScript 2: PushSelf 3: Push 'GlobalOuterBox 4: Send 0 5: Push 'GetRoot 6: Call 0 7: Push 'vnc:TKnollSys 8: GetPath 1 9: Push 'Refresh 10: SendIfDefined 3 11: Pop 12: Push 'viewQuitScript 13: ResendIfDefined 0 14: Return pc =3D 5 Newton machine type: 268447744 Built: 6/9/97 6:50 PM CPU: strongarm 162.184 mhz ROM: 2.1 (710031) patched -- Total RAM: 4079616 bytes -- Free Heap = RAM: 362016 bytes Screen Depth: 4 -- Screen Size/Res: 480x320 100x100 This note was created by BugTrap 1.6 from Tactile Systems, Inc. = info@tactile.com Send us comments or suggestions. 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<nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>Paul, I discovered that this same bug exists in the current versions of >>CardServ, DateServ, and NoteServ (2.1) as well. All of the other modules >>seem to be unaffected. It's not a big issue, but I though you might like >>to know about it. I can supply additional BugTraps if you like. > >I fixed it in NoteServ. I'm making a note to do it for CardServe and >DateServ. Sounds good. >>Paul, I don't know if this is specifically Binary Server related, but >>BugTrap generated the following report. It looks like it crashed during a >>Binary Server disconnect, but I could be reading the report incorrectly. >>I have not had this particular crash before: >> >>http://207.34.68.38:8080/html/-72365934$1292.nsd > >It didn't really crash but just threw an exception. You didn't get >any message, did you? Actually, I did. But I cannot remember what it was. I tried emailing a Screen Shooter dump of the message, but then SimpleMail burped. >>Oh, and the about box of the Binary Server says the version is '1.101' >>rather than the '1.11' currently mentioned on the NPDS site. I'm not sure >>which is the accurate version number. > >My bad. If you recompile the source code, it will say 1.11 (which is >higher, I follow Matt's decimal notation). > >I make a note to re-upload the files. Lovely. Thank you. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #32 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Mar 25 03:13:10 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 22815 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 02:11:37 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 02:11:37 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id D950B494; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:11:28 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC2F3F3 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA9B72E19; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 03:11:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #33 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030325021130.1BA9B72E19_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 24 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 033 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] Re: tracker client question [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] 2.101 bougues [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.103 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:49:14 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>You guys have been reading my mind. I was just finishing up writing the >>section of the BinInstaller user guide on how to create and serve >>favicon.ico files out of the binary soup. > >When will we be able to put our hands on such a beast? Soon. Soon. I promise. I'll post a draft first and get some feedback. >>If it were up to me, I would handle it similar to the way NPDS 2.x allows >>you to optionally insert CSS into every served page. Make it a checkbox, >>with wither a field to specify the name of the file or a pop-up. Perhaps >>NPDS could look at the contents of the binary soup and if anything is >>defined as having a 'image/x-icon' MIME type, then it would appear in a >>pop-up list within the prefs window. > >Sounds a good approach. I do have good ideas like this sometimes... ;) >>That must be some ToDo list by now... > >I need your help to set it up. Please check: >http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd Looks like you've covered most of what we've discussed, but I will go back through the archives and post anything that looks like it had been earmarked for 3.x. >BTW, I might have solved the Communication was dropped message error, >but my server stopped working for a while just like Grant's did. I >know what is happening but I don't know why. I was able to smoothly >resurrecting it by closing an endpoint and telling it to listen >again. I'll dig further on this problem. Are you closing the endpoint via NewtonScript or through the Inspector? Is it simply enough to explain how to do thing, in case happens to me again. Just wondering. Maybe this isn't even practical. >I've also updated the tracker on amaterasu >(npds-tracker.continuity.cx). FYI, the box is currently submitted to >emergency procedures because it is being attacked from a Windows box >with HTTP requests, so it is a little bit the panic here. <!-- Insert anti-Microsoft rant here --> g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:40:38 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 08:34 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >Attached is the bugtrap log. I repeated the error three times, just for good >measure. The first and third times it generated one log, the second time it >generated three logs. > >Also attached is a screenshot of the crash, taken via VNC. Apparently you have the same problem as Halvor. Could you please see if getting /favicon.ico brings your Newton down as well? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:52:41 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 23/3/03 à 20:49 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >>That must be some ToDo list by now... >> >>I need your help to set it up. Please check: >>http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd > >Looks like you've covered most of what we've discussed, but I will go >back through the archives and post anything that looks like it had been >earmarked for 3.x. I forgot many features I guess. I know what I will start with: the native server and the module/core interface. Or I should say what I did start with since I started these parts already. About templates: I think the best approach is to make templates something that provides various stylesheets, default index.html files, error pages, modules template pages (whiteboard, cardserver, dateserver), favicon.ico icons and some artwork associated with them. Except the default template, templates will be in packages one could load and choose from. And we would have the possibility to customize every bit of the template elements with Notes, Works and Binary Soup entries. So template support will be built in into the Core while various modules could provide replacement files that would override them. In fact, templates will be NPDS modules themselves. > >BTW, I might have solved the Communication was dropped message error, > >but my server stopped working for a while just like Grant's did. I > >know what is happening but I don't know why. I was able to smoothly > >resurrecting it by closing an endpoint and telling it to listen > >again. I'll dig further on this problem. > >Are you closing the endpoint via NewtonScript or through the Inspector? >Is it simply enough to explain how to do thing, in case happens to me >again. Just wondering. Maybe this isn't even practical. My diagnostic snippet didn't reveal anything: >foreach endpoint in GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|.fServer.mEndpoints do >begin > write(endpoint.eState && endpoint:state() & "\n"); >end This is because the system is looping stupidly between endpoints. However, this snipped showed that the listening endpoint was the first one. So I killed it with: >GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|.fServer.mEndpoints[0]:TearDown() (at that point, every endpoint was in bound state). (0 means the first one, replace with the index of yours, between 0 and 15). And I told the server to pick one for listening with: >GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|.fServer:NewListen() Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" <nospam_david_at_hydrowash.com_dot_au> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:34:52 +1000 Yes, exact same error. David Drew -----Original Message----- From: npds-owner@ml.free.fr [mailto:npds-owner@ml.free.fr] On Behalf Of Paul Guyot Sent: Monday, 24 March 2003 3:41 PM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 08:34 +1000, David Drew nous racontait: >Attached is the bugtrap log. I repeated the error three times, just for good >measure. The first and third times it generated one log, the second time it >generated three logs. > >Also attached is a screenshot of the crash, taken via VNC. Apparently you have the same problem as Halvor. Could you please see if getting /favicon.ico brings your Newton down as well? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:57:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Hi, On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Apparently you have the same problem as Halvor. Could you please see > if getting /favicon.ico brings your Newton down as well? After I saw his BugTrap I tried to get /cfg/ wich gives me the exact same error. Actually I found out that it crashes everytime if the first "directory" is anything else than /html, /screen or /bin So these will crash the server and give status "404": /cfg /favicon.ico /anything /asdf/something.more These will generate a nice error to the user but not give status "404" but "SRV": /html/anything.html (not a valid page) /html/something (not a valid page) /html/<some_number>.nwt (Dont remember the extention .nwt?) Since I have some Norwegian settings, I have disabled them, but to no joy. First yesterday I found the great PrelimBinaries. It only works for US and German Newtons. What versions of Newton is there and could this be the source of my problems here? I have also found out that if the driver for 3c589D is active, BugTrap will not work! FYI - Halvor. > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:10:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 08:57 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >These will generate a nice error to the user but not give status "404" but >"SRV": >/html/anything.html (not a valid page) >/html/something (not a valid page) >/html/<some_number>.nwt (Dont remember the extention .nwt?) It is nsd, I think (Victor who currently sleeps more than I do will correct me). So we're narrowing down the problem. You say you get a crash when you try to get /cfg, so I guess that the remote admin isn't enabled. Could you please check? >Since I have some Norwegian settings, I have disabled them, but to no joy. I don't know how this could influence NPDS. >First yesterday I found the great PrelimBinaries. It only works for US and >German Newtons. Er...? It doesn't work at yours? You don't have a US/Intl MP2100? >What versions of Newton is there and could this be the >source of my problems here? I wonder what your problems with the DCL PrelimBinaries are. David is using a MP2100 US. >I have also found out that if the driver for 3c589D is active, BugTrap >will not work! FYI Again, this is weird. I have never heard of any problem of this kind with BugTrap. I looked on the various ethernet cards people use. (btw, Grant, the link to NPDS on your "Welcome to my Newton" page is broken). But finally, thanks to your and David's help, I found & fixed the bug. No one else has this problem because we all enter a PublicIP in the tracker client. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:17:20 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] More NPDS updates Hi all, I've posted more NPDS updates on the website. Binary Server: >24/03/2003 1.11 [Paul Guyot] Fixed version number. CardFile Server: 24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] > Fixed a bug that prevented the AboutBox to show itself. > [Grant (Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:43 -0700)] Datebook Server: >24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] > Fixed a bug that prevented the AboutBox to show itself. > [Grant (Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:43 -0700)] nHTTPd: >24/03/2003 2.102 [Paul Guyot] > Fixed two problems in the server probably causing it to stop serving. > (Apparently, there are still issues) > Fixed a bug when the server would crash if an IP wouldn't be >provided in > the Tracker's Public IP field > [Halvor (Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:27:36 +0100 (CET)) > & David (Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:39:08 +1000)] > Now replaces every HTTP_ CGI vars (with the content of >headers) from SSI > outputs. Note: these variables aren't replaced if the header > isn't present. > Added REQUEST_URI replacement in the SSI outputs. > Added X-Forwarded-For header to the log soup, if present. (I forgot to mention: SERVER_NAME is now properly replaced with what it should be) Script Editor: >24/03/2003 2.1 [Paul Guyot] > Updated for NPDS 2.1 I could have installed unstability into nHTTPd 2.102 compared to previous releases, so beware (nevertheless, Grant and I were running 2.1011 or more recent builds without any problem for a while and it included the first fix). I do an early release because of Halvor's and David's issues. The Script Editor was simply broken with nHTTPd 2.1 upgrade. Other updates are mostly esthetic. I have just realized I should have posted the new Tracker Server as well but I should also work on other things. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:55:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > So we're narrowing down the problem. > You say you get a crash when you try to get /cfg, so I guess that the > remote admin isn't enabled. Could you please check? Correct! Not enabled. > It doesn't work at yours? Hmmm.. What was I thinking? Yes, it works. > You don't have a US/Intl MP2100? That was what I was wondering. Thought I had an ordinary MP2100. Bought in Sweden though... > >I have also found out that if the driver for 3c589D is active, BugTrap > >will not work! FYI > > Again, this is weird. I have never heard of any problem of this kind > with BugTrap. I can have both a 3com and a Farallon installed. If I use the Farallon BugTrap works. If I use 3Com BugTrap doesn't work. Both times 3Com extentions is installed, but only used when I use 3Com card of corse. > But finally, thanks to your and David's help, I found & fixed the > bug. No one else has this problem because we all enter a PublicIP in > the tracker client. ?? There was a bug? And now it is fixed? - Halvor > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:25:18 -0800 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Quoting Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>: > Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 08:57 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: > >These will generate a nice error to the user but not give status "404" > but > >"SRV": > >/html/anything.html (not a valid page) > >/html/something (not a valid page) > >/html/<some_number>.nwt (Dont remember the extention .nwt?) > > It is nsd, I think (Victor who currently sleeps more than I do will > correct me). I thought is was .nsf (Newton Streams Format)? .nwt are those attachments that the OutBox attaches to outgoing e-mails. (I'm sleeping more than Paul? Is that because I was sick and resting over the weekend, or because I'm an ocean away from a certain country and hey, gas is 7 cents cheaper per L today...) > >I have also found out that if the driver for 3c589D is active, BugTrap > >will not work! FYI > > Again, this is weird. I have never heard of any problem of this kind > with BugTrap. I always have this driver active and I've never had this happen with BugTrap. My NPDS server is running a 3c589D right now. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:00:14 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 06:25 -0800, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: > > It is nsd, I think (Victor who currently sleeps more than I do will > > correct me). > >I thought is was .nsf (Newton Streams Format)? .nwt are those attachments >that the OutBox attaches to outgoing e-mails. I checked, it is .nsd as in: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd I don't know what it exactly stands for, it's probably in NPDS 2.0's manual. I used .ink for forthcoming NoteServ release as in http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1117$0$1.ink >(I'm sleeping more than Paul? Is that because I was sick and resting over the >weekend, or because I'm an ocean away from a certain country and hey, gas is 7 >cents cheaper per L today...) I said so mostly because you're around to correct the stupidities I write here (such as the tracker port) and indeed I thought you sleep more than I do with your current sicknesses. Plus you told me you didn't waste your time watching news on TV :) >I always have this driver active and I've never had this happen with BugTrap. Okay, so Halvor is having issues somewhere else, as I thought. > My NPDS server is running a 3c589D right now. Good to know. I've updated my own page mentioning which ethernet card I use. Also, with nHTTPd 2.102, one can check the pages with W3C's services. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:51:46 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 12:55 +0100, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: > > But finally, thanks to your and David's help, I found & fixed the > > bug. No one else has this problem because we all enter a PublicIP in > > the tracker client. > >?? >There was a bug? And now it is fixed? This is why I spent time releasing nHTTPd 2.102. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:56:20 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I thought is was .nsf (Newton Streams Format)? .nwt are those >>attachments that the OutBox attaches to outgoing e-mails. > >I checked, it is .nsd as in: >http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd >I don't know what it exactly stands for, it's probably in >NPDS 2.0's manual. Nope. It's not in the manual. I would guess that Matt could fill us in. My best guess is that it stands for "Newton Server Data" or "NoteServ Data". If we do find a definitive answer to this, I'll add it to the Newton Glossary and the NPDS docs. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:16:15 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >CardFile Server: >24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] > >Datebook Server: >24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] > >nHTTPd: >24/03/2003 2.102 [Paul Guyot] > >Script Editor: >24/03/2003 2.1 [Paul Guyot] Paul, I've added mention of these updates to the changelog.txt file. I'm thinking that I may turn the changelog into a multi-user weblog type of thing. It would appear on the home page specifically for posting short news blips and updates such as these announcements. First of all, I need to finesse a style sheet into the site so it doesn't look quite so 1995. Thoughts? >(I forgot to mention: SERVER_NAME is now properly >replaced with what it should be) I also added this specific nHTTPd change to the associated read me file. >I could have installed unstability into nHTTPd 2.102 compared to >previous releases, so beware (nevertheless, Grant and I were running >2.1011 or more recent builds without any problem for a while and it >included the first fix). I do an early release because of Halvor's >and David's issues. The unreleased 2.1011 version of nHTTPd seems to be just as stable for me as the previous version. I think the the majority of the issues I was experiencing were due to the binary server and other silliness I was doing on my Newt. >I have just realized I should have posted the new Tracker Server as >well but I should also work on other things. No worries. Take as much time as you need to get the rest of your work in order. I think we have enough to play with for now. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:46:41 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 09:16 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Paul, I've added mention of these updates to the changelog.txt file. Thank you. >I'm thinking that I may turn the changelog into a multi-user weblog type >of thing. It would appear on the home page specifically for posting short >news blips and updates such as these announcements. First of all, I need >to finesse a style sheet into the site so it doesn't look quite so 1995. > >Thoughts? I was thinking that we would need something to tell what changed on the front page. A "weblog type of thing" should do it indeed. About the 1995 look, I think it is your domain. I'm definitely not competent for that task. You probably think my own website looks 1995 or even 1990 ;) > >(I forgot to mention: SERVER_NAME is now properly > >replaced with what it should be) > >I also added this specific nHTTPd change to the associated read me file. The thing is that there is a copy of the Read Me file inside the disk image. I feel that it's currently not very convenient to update the modules. I'll start with designing a droplet that creates the .img.bin directly (for the moment I have a script that does the .img, I need to drop it on NutCase MacBinary to encode it). Also, these images require MacOS 8.1 or higher. Fellow developers using Basilisk II might not appreciate, I'll update my script to make 7.5-compatible disk images. >The unreleased 2.1011 version of nHTTPd seems to be just as stable for me >as the previous version. I think the the majority of the issues I was >experiencing were due to the binary server and other silliness I was >doing on my Newt. I think I got a -36006 recently, but the state of endpoints was correct. At least we won't lose any precious endpoints now. >No worries. Take as much time as you need to get the rest of your work in >order. I think we have enough to play with for now. :) Fine. I just hope that David and Halvor can serve web pages properly now. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:09 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I'm thinking that I may turn the changelog into a multi-user weblog type >>of thing. It would appear on the home page specifically for posting short >>news blips and updates such as these announcements. First of all, I need >>to finesse a style sheet into the site so it doesn't look quite so 1995. >> >>Thoughts? > >I was thinking that we would need something to tell what changed on >the front page. A "weblog type of thing" should do it indeed. It would be fairly easy to implement using Blogger, since it would be difficult to run Moveable Type on the Free server. >About the 1995 look, I think it is your domain. I'm definitely not >competent for that task. You probably think my own website looks 1995 >or even 1990 ;) Heh. >>I also added this specific nHTTPd change to the associated read me file. > >The thing is that there is a copy of the Read Me file inside the disk image. Oh dear, I forgot about the disk images... >I feel that it's currently not very convenient to update the modules. >I'll start with designing a droplet that creates the .img.bin >directly (for the moment I have a script that does the .img, I need >to drop it on NutCase MacBinary to encode it). Also, these images >require MacOS 8.1 or higher. Fellow developers using Basilisk II >might not appreciate, I'll update my script to make 7.5-compatible >disk images. Ideally, I'd like to get all of the older .sit files migrated to the same encoded disk image format. If you haven't noticed, I enjoy consistency. :) If you can finalize how you want to build the disk images, let me know and I will go through the older archives and convert them. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:06:30 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Come by my NPDS server, which is listed on the http://misato.chuma.org:3680, and take a look at the draft documentation I have about using NPDS and Trackers. I'm working on updating it a bit, and then it will be moved to the NPDS site. Cheers, Josh On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 07:15 PM, Gregory Gee wrote: > > I was wondering if someone could explain how to use the tracker > client. The docs don't seem to match what I am looking at. > > Tracker 2.035 > nhttp 2.042 > > My mainquestion is setup behind a firewall. I see how to set the > public IP, but can I set the public port? Or do I have to run > NPDS on the same port that my NAT will pass? > > In the tracker server section, what's the difference between > the 'Newton Port' and the 'HTTP Port'? > > Thanks, > Greg > > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:09:36 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 10:03 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >It would be fairly easy to implement using Blogger, since it would be >difficult to run Moveable Type on the Free server. It means we have to give away the FTP password? Free has PHP + mySQL. But no perl indeed. >Ideally, I'd like to get all of the older .sit files migrated to the same >encoded disk image format. If you haven't noticed, I enjoy consistency. >:) If you can finalize how you want to build the disk images, let me >know and I will go through the older archives and convert them. OK. I write down a note to create a script to automagically convert .sit to HFS-formatted .img.bin, the format I'd like to use (for the moment, I use HFS+ formatted .img.bin). I'll use it on my own website. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:13:21 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 09:06 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >Come by my NPDS server, which is listed on the >http://misato.chuma.org:3680, and take a look at the draft >documentation I have about using NPDS and Trackers. I'm working on >updating it a bit, and then it will be moved to the NPDS site. Josh, There are two dead links in your documentation: http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/linksys http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/conclusion I guess these pages aren't available on purpose, aren't they? BTW, trackers share their records. Your Newton also appears on: http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680 and http://www.mymacs.net:2110/ Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:17:32 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client question From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Yes, they're dead because I haven't written them yet ;) I will try to get the pages updated and create the last two pages this week. I will also add the fact that the Trackers share who is being tracked. Cheers, Josh On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 09:13 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 09:06 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >> Come by my NPDS server, which is listed on the >> http://misato.chuma.org:3680, and take a look at the draft >> documentation I have about using NPDS and Trackers. I'm working on >> updating it a bit, and then it will be moved to the NPDS site. > > Josh, > > There are two dead links in your documentation: > > http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/linksys > http://12.242.161.93:8080/html/conclusion > > I guess these pages aren't available on purpose, aren't they? > > BTW, trackers share their records. > Your Newton also appears on: > http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680 > and > http://www.mymacs.net:2110/ > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:27:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> Is there more information on the bugs you mention that stop your server? I have been having an issue since I started putting NPDS public. I can only get it to run for a few hours before my Newton locks up. Not sure why it is doing it. Are there any tools to help me with this? The only way I can get my Newton running again is to pull the power. Also, are there any pages or password that have to be set in NPDS or is the default settings secure? Thanks, Greg > Hi all, > > I've posted more NPDS updates on the website. > > Binary Server: >>24/03/2003 1.11 [Paul Guyot] > Fixed version number. > > CardFile Server: > 24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] >> Fixed a bug that prevented the AboutBox to show itself. >> [Grant (Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:43 -0700)] > > Datebook Server: >>24/03/2003 2.11 [Paul Guyot] >> Fixed a bug that prevented the AboutBox to show itself. >> [Grant (Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:43 -0700)] > > nHTTPd: >>24/03/2003 2.102 [Paul Guyot] >> Fixed two problems in the server probably causing it to stop serving. >> (Apparently, there are still issues) >> Fixed a bug when the server would crash if an IP wouldn't be >>provided in >> the Tracker's Public IP field >> [Halvor (Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:27:36 +0100 (CET)) >> & David (Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:39:08 +1000)] >> Now replaces every HTTP_ CGI vars (with the content of >>headers) from SSI >> outputs. Note: these variables aren't replaced if the header >> isn't present. >> Added REQUEST_URI replacement in the SSI outputs. >> Added X-Forwarded-For header to the log soup, if present. > > (I forgot to mention: SERVER_NAME is now properly replaced with what it > should be) > > Script Editor: >>24/03/2003 2.1 [Paul Guyot] >> Updated for NPDS 2.1 > > I could have installed unstability into nHTTPd 2.102 compared to > previous releases, so beware (nevertheless, Grant and I were running > 2.1011 or more recent builds without any problem for a while and it > included the first fix). I do an early release because of Halvor's and > David's issues. > > The Script Editor was simply broken with nHTTPd 2.1 upgrade. > Other updates are mostly esthetic. > > I have just realized I should have posted the new Tracker Server as > well but I should also work on other things. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:35:12 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 12:27 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > Is there more information on the bugs you mention that stop your >server? I have been having an issue since I started putting NPDS >public. This is celebrity. ;) >I can only get it to run for a few hours before my Newton >locks up. Not sure why it is doing it. Are there any tools to help >me with this? Apparently you have a MP2000 with very few heap. This can explain crashes. Try to set the maximum number of clients to 4 (this is in the preferences, admin tan I think -- you need to stop and start the server for this change to be taken into account). Maybe freezing one or two packages will help as well. >The only way I can get my Newton running again is to >pull the power. The Newton becomes completely unresponsive? It really sounds like a memory problem. > Also, are there any pages or password that have to be set in NPDS >or is the default settings secure? The default setting is to not serve /cfg/. Which lets one stop the server. However, one can post admin notes with the default password if you don't specify one yourself at /html/admin-post.html. The main risk here is that one posts a new index.html that would take over yours. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:43:54 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>It would be fairly easy to implement using Blogger, since it would be >>difficult to run Moveable Type on the Free server. > >It means we have to give away the FTP password? Yes, that's the unfortunate part. I use Blogger on my sites because I can set up a separate account on the FTP server that accesses only the specific weblog directory. I can see where this wouldn't be possible on Free. >Free has PHP + mySQL. But no perl indeed. I didn't realize that we had PHP and MySQL available on Free. There are several PHP-based weblog or news systems out there. Two interesting possibilities are PHPosxom and Thistle, which are PHP-based tools that use flat text files to store content, rather than some convoluted MySQL setup. I'll look into these as a possible (simple) solution. G. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:46:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> Thanks for the info. Yes, it is an MP2000. I think I need to look back at the Newton FAQ because I have seen mention quite a bit about freezing and thawing packages. I have no idea what people are talking about. And yes, the Newton becomes completely unresponsive. Thanks, Greg > Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 12:27 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: >> Is there more information on the bugs you mention that stop your >>server? I have been having an issue since I started putting NPDS >> public. > > This is celebrity. ;) > >>I can only get it to run for a few hours before my Newton >>locks up. Not sure why it is doing it. Are there any tools to help me >> with this? > > Apparently you have a MP2000 with very few heap. This can explain > crashes. Try to set the maximum number of clients to 4 (this is in the > preferences, admin tan I think -- you need to stop and start the server > for this change to be taken into account). Maybe freezing one or two > packages will help as well. > >>The only way I can get my Newton running again is to >>pull the power. > > The Newton becomes completely unresponsive? > > It really sounds like a memory problem. > >> Also, are there any pages or password that have to be set in NPDS >>or is the default settings secure? > > The default setting is to not serve /cfg/. Which lets one stop the > server. > > However, one can post admin notes with the default password if you > don't specify one yourself at /html/admin-post.html. The main risk here > is that one posts a new index.html that would take over yours. > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:46:47 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 12:27 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > Is there more information on the bugs you mention that stop your >server? Oh, I forgot this one. There are three bugs: - the server sometimes makes a 'A communication problem occurred' error appear. I thought I fixed that with nHTTPd 2.102, but apparently not. I've surely improved the error handling, tho, there was an obvious flaw there. - when this happens, if you have nHTTPd < 2.102, one of the endpoint (the client as in MaxClients, I took the Apache terminology) dies. - the server sometimes enter an endless loop of setting up an endpoint to listen, failing, doing it again and so on. I thought I improved this with nHTTPd 2.102, but apparently not. Apparently, nHTTPd 2.102 change will make the server a little bit less responsive but maybe a little bit more stable. All these issues occur because with the NewtonScript layer for endpoints, you cannot have one endpoint that listens and client endpoints that will do the actual work. The listening endpoint has to be the one that processes the request and when it started processing it, I can fire another endpoint to listen. With recent NPDS builds, there is a pool of endpoints that are prepared so firing them to listen takes as less time as possible. NPDS 3.x will have a native server based on some test code I've written. It means that there will be a listening endpoint and different client endpoints responsible for the connection. Please note that nevertheless, we might lose connections. There is no tilisten module or equivalent on NewtonOS endpoints implementation, AFAIK. Cf: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/NetworkingOT/NetworkingWOT-32.html Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:21:39 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Fine. I just hope that David and Halvor can serve web pages properly > now. Works like a charm! :-) Tested with Opera from a PC, will test with Safari when I get home. But no-valid "directories" aka /something/index.html now gives a nice error and doesn't shut down my server. Thanks! - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] 2.101 bougues Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:55:39 -0500 I know 2.102 is out Server only survives an hour or so before freezing completely BugTrap is frozen so no reports "Fin du serveur" message. Fin du message trop de boulot Paul F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 20:27:32 +0100 (CET) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > >I always have this driver active and I've never had this happen with > BugTrap. > > Okay, so Halvor is having issues somewhere else, as I thought. > > > My NPDS server is running a 3c589D right now. Using 3c589D-TP with driver (and Farallon driver) fetched at www.chuma.org this weekend. Using BugTrap version 1.6 (latest?) fetched from UNNA archive (German mirror) this weekend. - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:05:36 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 14:55 -0500, Filmer, Paul E. nous racontait: >I know 2.102 is out > >Server only survives an hour or so before freezing completely I've checked, you don't suffer from Halvor's bug. >BugTrap is frozen so no reports Please get 2.102 and setup BugTrap to catch exception inside Try blocks. Whenever your server will crash again, please send me the reports relative to that (you might get more reports, the date of the "Fin du serveur" message you can read by tapping the (i) button will help you determine which reports are relevant). >trop de boulot Likewise. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:25:33 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues; 2.102 report From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> I had 2.101 running on my NPDS server over the weekend, with probably about 200 hits over the course of three days, no crashes, no weird messages. It was up for more than three days when I took it down to load the new 2.102. I've loaded 2.102 and am running that now with no apparent issues. Cheers, Josh On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Filmer, Paul E. wrote: > I know 2.102 is out > > Server only survives an hour or so before freezing completely > > BugTrap is frozen so no reports > > "Fin du serveur" message. > > Fin du message > > trop de boulot > > > Paul F. > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:40:41 -0500 done - and already generated a crash log for a -48803 (Hmm... nHTTPd is saying "Not Connected" instead of my static IP. You can find the crash logs at http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=268447744&Submit=Search NB: No end of server crashes yet... :-) Interestingly, it seems that while the bug report for the -48803 is intact in Notes, it is truncated when served by NPDS. Paul F. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Guyot [mailto:pguyot@kallisys.net] Please get 2.102 and setup BugTrap to catch exception inside Try blocks. Whenever your server will crash again, please send me the reports relative to that (you might get more reports, the date of the "Fin du serveur" message you can read by tapping the (i) button will help you determine which reports are relevant). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:10:22 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.101 bougues Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 15:40 -0500, Filmer, Paul E. nous racontait: >http://newton.nsf.gov/html/search.ns?s_words=268447744&Submit=Search Got it. Could you please purge this one? ;) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:12:09 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.103 Hi all, I've just uploaded nHTTPd 2.103. - Fixed a bug in logaccess method [Paul F. (Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:40:41 -0500)] - Fixed a bug in mGetHostAddressWithPortStr method (used to generate 400/404/500 pages) Grant, I've modified /modules/index.html and /changelog.txt BTW, apparently ditto won't copy files to an HFS volume, CpMac -r fails as well, so the disk image is still in HFS+ format (requires MacOS 8.1 or higher). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:18:07 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.103 Il me semble que le 24/3/03 à 22:12 +0100, Paul Guyot nous racontait: >- Fixed a bug in logaccess method [Paul F. (Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:40:41 -0500)] I should have elaborated on this one. In a nutshell, anyone using 2.1 should upgrade. With details: the server will crash badly when the log soup gets full, i.e. when there are more entries than what you chose in the preferences, generating -48803s. My own setting is 150 and I currently have 135 entries for 487 KB of log, but default is 30. >- Fixed a bug in mGetHostAddressWithPortStr method (used to generate >400/404/500 pages) This is purely esthetic. Correct behavior is to display this footer: NPDS/2.103 (NewtonOS) at newton.kallisys.net Port 8080 NPDS/2.101 (NewtonOS) at 24.157.128.34 Port 8080 (you would have recognized Victor's IP ;) But 2.102 does: NPDS/2.102 (NewtonOS) at Port 8080 (from Josh's Newton) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #33 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Feb 02 03:12:24 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 3781 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2003 02:10:58 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 2 Feb 2003 02:10:58 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 43592186; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:11:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176E9178 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 18:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105FE72F2F; Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:10:57 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:10:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 03:10:56 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #17 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030202021057.105FE72F2F_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 01 Feb 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 017 In This Issue: [NPDS] Hello, I am trying to get NPDS [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives -> hypermail? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:17 -0800 From: "Adam Klaum" <nospam_aklaum2_at_attbi_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Hello, I am trying to get NPDS Hello, I am trying to get NPDS working on my 2000U. Everything installed fine and I was able to get to the home page no problem. I am having trouble with the notes server. My notes are showing up in the list but when I click on one I get a page cannot be found. Both folders in the config are set to Posts. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Adam Klaum ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:42:44 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS list archives -> hypermail? >Would it be possible to run Paul's .mbox archives of the NPDS list >through hypermail, so I could post an HTML version of the list archives? >I'd try to do this myself on my Qube, but I'm already up to my elbows in >UBB upgrades, CPAN config, DB_File installation and noddling with Movable >Type. This would be doable. However, my archives are archives of digests. So the result won't look like NTLK's Hypermail's output. However, I'm pretty sure we can gather all the mails that went in individually. I still have most of them. >Is there a way to automate a hypermail archive, like we have for >NewtonTalk? Er. Well, we could do that by subscribing some fake account to the list and get it making hypermail archives. I asked marc folks to archive the list but they never replied/acknowledge. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #17 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Mar 26 03:14:08 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 14525 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2003 02:11:54 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 26 Mar 2003 02:11:54 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 6137C483; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:11:50 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9BE2FF for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F59872E36; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:11:48 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:11:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:11:48 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #34 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030326021148.7F59872E36_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 25 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 034 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates [NPDS] NPDS: documentation question [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Looking for HTML authoring tips. Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:16:54 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hi Greg. >Now that I have my NPDS up and running, I really need to change the >default page. I was wondering what people use to create there pages. >Do people really use the Notepad to edit there pages? I recently grabbed >nHTML. This will help quite a bit. But I am looking to tips on editing >pages off the Newton. Please note I only have an ethernet connection. My default page and the style sheet are customized versions of the ones I have on my main site. Generally I use BBEdit to code all of my pages on my Mac. For complex pages to be served with NPDS, I usually build them on my Mac, then copy and paste the code into a Whiteboard or Admin Post form, sending it directly to my Newton into whatever folder I want. Once it's on the Newton, I can fiddle with it in Notepad. I pretty hand code everything from scratch, but I do use nHTML for a lot of repetitive things. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Can not make NPDS work. Paul? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:20:43 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I looked on the various ethernet cards people use. (btw, Grant, the >link to NPDS on your "Welcome to my Newton" page is broken). Oops. I must of slipped a slash. It's fixed now. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ From: "David Drew" <nospam_david_at_hydrowash.com_dot_au> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] More NPDS updates Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:38:05 +1000 Hi, Thanks for the bug fixes, Paul. Server is humming along nicely now. As a thanks for the help I've been given by all you guys, here's a few Avi's Backdrop backgrounds that I've made up. Enjoy. http://www.hydrowash.com.au/david/newtbg/ Please don't post this link to the NewtonTalk list. I don't think that my company's small bandwidth allocation could handle that kind of load. Free free to mirror the page though, if you like. Thanks again, David Drew -----Original Message----- From: Paul Guyot Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 2:47 AM I just hope that David and Halvor can serve web pages properly now. ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] 3.x To Do List Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:45:35 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I put that into the newly created NPDS 3.x ToDo list. > >I need your help to set it up. > >http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/274493539$1122.nsd > >And please post about anything I forgot. I was going back through my archived messages and found a couple of threads from last year regarding the topic of NPDS 3 development. I thought it might be interesting to review these threads in respect to the NPDS 3.x to do list. We've covered a lot of areas in these two threads, and a few interesting points may have been forgotten over the past several months. Enjoy. http://npds.free.fr/list/TowardsNPDS3Themes.txt http://npds.free.fr/list/TowardsNPDS3Summarize.txt g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:49:35 -0600 From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] NPDS: documentation question Hello all, First off, let me just say that I feel like Rip Van Winkle over here! I have been away for a short while and low and behold, there is quite a flurry of activity here now! Cool! So multiple binary images on NPDS works much better now huh? Great! I'll have to dig back in! MY QUESTION: I have been reading the NPDS Documentation (that Grant has done a great job with), and was reading the "NoteServ Configuration" page. How does NPDS know what notes are created by www visitors and which are created locally on the Newton? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:56:58 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question Il me semble que le 25/3/03 à 01:49 -0600, John Skinner nous racontait: >I have been reading the NPDS Documentation (that Grant has done a great job >with), and was reading the "NoteServ Configuration" page. How does NPDS know >what notes are created by www visitors and which are created locally on the >Newton? There is a slot added to notes posted from the NPDS server. This slot basically includes the author of the post, I think. If NPDS can find this slot, the note will be listed under <POST*> SSIs (not sure of the SSIs, tho). If it cannot, it will be listed under <NOTES*> SSIs. I know it lacks a user interface. The best interface would be a transport you'd access from the envelope for posted notes (so you could remove the post information). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: nHTTPd 2.103 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:06:06 -0500 If the NPDS Admin page is still broken in 2.103, ignore the following: Attempting to view a server log creates a bug report that contains the admin password - so be careful if you have bug reports accessible to the outside world. Paul F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:11:06 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 11:49 PM, John Skinner wrote: > MY QUESTION: > I have been reading the NPDS Documentation (that Grant has done a > great job > with), and was reading the "NoteServ Configuration" page. How does > NPDS know > what notes are created by www visitors and which are created locally > on the > Newton? Yeah, that's something that this documentation doesn't really go into; it's never been explained to me how NPDS distinguishes, but it definitely does. I would be happy to update the documentation on my NPDS server and Grant can grab it again and update the npds.free.fr site if Matt or Paul could explain exactly what is being tagged onto the Note that lets NPDS know which notes are posted by vistors and those created locally or via the admin-post.html page. Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:11:37 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Ah ha, thanks Paul. Josh On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 11:56 PM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 25/3/03 à 01:49 -0600, John Skinner nous racontait: >> I have been reading the NPDS Documentation (that Grant has done a >> great job >> with), and was reading the "NoteServ Configuration" page. How does >> NPDS know >> what notes are created by www visitors and which are created locally >> on the >> Newton? > > There is a slot added to notes posted from the NPDS server. This slot > basically includes the author of the post, I think. > > If NPDS can find this slot, the note will be listed under <POST*> SSIs > (not sure of the SSIs, tho). If it cannot, it will be listed under > <NOTES*> SSIs. > > I know it lacks a user interface. The best interface would be a > transport you'd access from the envelope for posted notes (so you > could remove the post information). > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #34 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Mar 27 03:16:54 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 10672 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2003 02:11:44 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 27 Mar 2003 02:11:44 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 9F10F39D; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:11:43 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B927355 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BDE72E01; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 03:11:38 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #35 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030327021138.21BDE72E01_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 26 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 035 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:35:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NPDS] Error pages From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> Is there a way to replace the http error pages such as the 404 or 500 error page. I don't like the 404 page giving out that much info. If I can't change it, can I add it to the list of feature requests for the next release? Thanks, Greg ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:56:14 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >Yeah, that's something that this documentation doesn't really go into; >it's never been explained to me how NPDS distinguishes, but it >definitely does. I would be happy to update the documentation on my >NPDS server and Grant can grab it again and update the npds.free.fr Just let me know when it's ready to grab. Same goes for your 'NPDS Tracker and Firewalls' document. I may take your 'Upgrading to NPDS 2.1' page and add some bit to it as well, if that's alright. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:56:13 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >First off, let me just say that I feel like Rip Van Winkle over here! >I have been away for a short while and low and behold, there is quite >a flurry of activity here now! Cool! Caught you sleeping, didn't we John. Heh. >So multiple binary images on NPDS works much better now huh? Great! >I'll have to dig back in! I haven't switched all of the images found on my NPDS server pages over to use the binary soup yet. I'm swapped them out one at a time. Sometimes it just makes more sense to host the larger images off my main server instead. Speed considerations and all. >I have been reading the NPDS Documentation (that Grant has done a great >job with), and was reading the "NoteServ Configuration" page. FYI: Josh Burker wrote the Notepad Server documentation, not me. I'm just the website maintenance gnome. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #35 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Mar 28 03:14:04 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 7433 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2003 02:11:43 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 28 Mar 2003 02:11:43 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 26C4C364; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:46 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C742D350 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDBA72E11; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #36 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030328021137.5CDBA72E11_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 27 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 036 In This Issue: [NPDS] 1 gotcha of upgrading to NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: 1 gotcha of upgrading to NPDS 2.1 [NPDS] Re: Error pages ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:46:18 -0600 From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] 1 gotcha of upgrading to NPDS 2.1 The only thing that I can tell that was a snag for me upgrading to NPDS 2.1 is that my "client status" page/SSI-script doesn't work now. Anybody else experience SSI/script problems. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:57:49 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 1 gotcha of upgrading to NPDS 2.1 Il me semble que le 26/3/03 à 23:46 -0600, John Skinner nous racontait: >The only thing that I can tell that was a snag for me upgrading to NPDS 2.1 >is that my "client status" page/SSI-script doesn't work now. > >Anybody else experience SSI/script problems. Indeed. This script refers to the global variable that was suppressed since global variables are not thread safe by definition. This contained a description of the current access and since nHTTPd can handle several connections at once, it didn't really make sense (and explained empty log entries and so on). I don't know how you could provide such a reliable script with the current architecture. The closest is an array of the 5 last requests that you can access if log is enabled (this is what is shown when you tap the diamond). It's at GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|.lastRequests It can be NIL if no request is present. Don't rely on the number of items either. And please note that this array is filled *after* the page is processed. Every script that refer to the internals of NPDS can be broken by any change in NPDS. There is no "public interface" of NPDS, one usually takes any slot to write a script. I try to maintain every f-prefixed method, though. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:58:48 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Error pages Il me semble que le 26/3/03 à 10:35 -0500, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > Is there a way to replace the http error pages such as the 404 or 500 >error page. No, except by taking the source code ;) >I don't like the 404 page giving out that much info. If I >can't change it, can I add it to the list of feature requests for the >next release? Yes. I sorted this request under the 3.x features. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:01:37 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS: documentation question From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Sounds great. Perhaps I can work on it a bit today. Josh On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 07:56 AM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > > Just let me know when it's ready to grab. Same goes for your 'NPDS > Tracker and Firewalls' document. I may take your 'Upgrading to NPDS > 2.1' > page and add some bit to it as well, if that's alright. > > g. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #36 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Mar 30 03:13:34 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 8504 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2003 01:11:09 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 30 Mar 2003 01:11:09 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 3044F752; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:11:20 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59818365 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDA972E2C; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:11:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:11:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:11:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #37 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030330011103.7DDA972E2C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 29 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 037 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 [NPDS] Re: Use of NPDS behind a firewall [NPDS] Re: Use of NPDS behind a firewall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:29:38 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Use of NPDS behind a firewall From: Donald Wilson <nospam_marchie_at_mac_dot_com> I'm using OS X, 10.2.4 Here's my setup: router -> G4 en0 -> G4 en1 -> Newton I can forward port traffic from the router to my G4, which I do for the webserver on it, amoung other things. I figured I'd run the NPDS webserver on port 8088 I ASSUME I need to set up some kind of forwarding table on the G4 to send the requests thru to the Newt, but I'm not sure how. Any help? ==================== ~Donald Wilson http://homepage.mac.com/~marchie/ "Why not go mad?" ~Douglas Adams ==================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:30:52 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 Hi all, Apparently, I got the watcher working with nHTTPd 2.1x 29/03/2003 1.1a1 [Paul Guyot] - Reorganized the code, it seems to be compatible with latest nHTTPd. - The three checking routines can be enabled and disabled separately now. - The check for alerts routine now explicitly looks for protoTCPServer alerts. - Fixed a problem where the server might not be restarted if the internet setting is to disconnect immediatly. - Improved the way the alert is handled (the watcher will be triggered even if it's not the frontmost view and it will close it once the server will be restarted). It's on the website (http://npds.free.fr/modules/npdswatcher/) I'm going to build a new version of nHTTPd from a discussion I had with Nicolas yesterday at Lunch time. Basically, I suspect NIE to not like the way I'm recycling endpoints, so I'll kill them and recreate them instead. Might improve stability. If you are a heavy NPDS user (i.e. your Newton is connected 24/7) and you prefer to test this new build instead of testing the watcher, drop me a line. I might freeze the watcher here to see if NPDS is more stable with this change, but since I'll work on ATA Support, I'll probably reboot this development unit very often. Paul PS: Happy birthday Grant, late, but next year my Newton will tell me ;) -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:50:29 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Use of NPDS behind a firewall Il me semble que le 29/3/03 à 00:29 -0500, Donald Wilson nous racontait: >I'm using OS X, 10.2.4 > >Here's my setup: > >router -> G4 en0 -> G4 en1 -> Newton > >I can forward port traffic from the router to my G4, which I do for >the webserver on it, amoung other things. > >I figured I'd run the NPDS webserver on port 8088 > >I ASSUME I need to set up some kind of forwarding table on the G4 to >send the requests thru to the Newt, but I'm not sure how. Any help? Depends on how many NATs you have. I think that OS X doesn't give you much options and you should have two NATs, one on your router and one on your G4. So you need to tell the router to map 8088 to the G4 and the G4 to map 8088 to the Newton. Right now, my mac is connected to my Newton via the serial port, so I cannot easily plug it somewhere to have the Ethernet enabled and try Internet sharing to see if you have the proper options there. Anyone else knows this feature of OS X? Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:22:09 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Use of NPDS behind a firewall From: donald <nospam_marchie_at_mac_dot_com> Ok that makes sense. I'll just need to look up how the NAT file works... Do you run NPDS over a serial connection, Paul? I'm trying to get my 130 to work over a null-modem connection, and having trouble. ~Donald On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 09:50 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 29/3/03 à 00:29 -0500, Donald Wilson nous > racontait: > > Depends on how many NATs you have. I think that OS X doesn't give you > much options and you should have two NATs, one on your router and one > on your G4. So you need to tell the router to map 8088 to the G4 and > the G4 to map 8088 to the Newton. > > Right now, my mac is connected to my Newton via the serial port, so I > cannot easily plug it somewhere to have the Ethernet enabled and try > Internet sharing to see if you have the proper options there. Anyone > else knows this feature of OS X? > > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:35:15 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Use of NPDS behind a firewall Il me semble que le 29/3/03 à 10:22 -0500, donald nous racontait: >Do you run NPDS over a serial connection, Paul? No, I have an Airport base station connected to the cable modem and my Newton as well as my laptop uses it as the router. I use the serial connection to connect NTK and Hammer to my Newton. NTK also does AppleTalk but because of the pathetic Airport range I have with my Powerbook, AppleTalk goes on and off without any warning on OS X and it is a big pain, so I prefer the serial line which can also be established faster. Apparently, there might be some problem with the newest watcher (but it restarts NPDS like a charm), I would like to catch this. But I think that in fact, it's just the very idea of the watcher that is wrong. If checkListening is enabled, the watcher will try to listen on port 8080 (or whatever NPDS listens to) and note that it succeeded if it did. The problem is that it can succeed from time to time when NPDS fire an endpoint to listen. In that case there is a bad conflict. I don't know any way which would let me know if the Newton is listening on port 8080 except by trying to listen and see if the system refuses. But now, you can disable this check routine and still benefit from the two other check routines of the watcher (the protoTCPServer alert and the NS Task that died). And even if you enable this feature, the watcher restarts the server like a charm (at least with my tests). I suggest setting the check period to 30 minutes to avoid too frequent tests. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:31:26 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >If you are a heavy NPDS user (i.e. your Newton is connected 24/7) and >you prefer to test this new build instead of testing the watcher, >drop me a line. I might freeze the watcher here to see if NPDS is >more stable with this change, but since I'll work on ATA Support, >I'll probably reboot this development unit very often. My Newton is online 24/7, so I'd be happy to try the other version of nHTTPd. I'm probably getting between 75 and 125 hits per day. >PS: Happy birthday Grant, late, but next year my Newton will tell me ;) Thanks Paul. We had a houseful of family last night, and a bunch of friends are coming over this evening. It's a non-stop party here in Calgary. Even the pink plastic flamingos that some anonymous soul planted in our front yard think so. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #37 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Mar 31 03:11:49 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 28725 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2003 01:11:09 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 31 Mar 2003 01:11:09 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 5E99C266; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:11:23 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A517467 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05B072E34; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #38 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030331011106.D05B072E34_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 31 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 038 In This Issue: [NPDS] A Vintage Palmtop Holds Users in Thrall [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:57:10 -0800 From: Chris Swenson <nospam_extra24_at_attglobal_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] A Vintage Palmtop Holds Users in Thrall Off-topic post, but I thought those on the list would like to see this nice profile of Victor that appeared in the New York Times. Too bad NPDS wasn't mentioned... >March 20, 2003 > >A Vintage Palmtop Holds Users in Thrall > >By IAN AUSTEN > >HEN Victor Rehorst pulls out his oversize personal digital assistant, >there is often someone with a question. "They usually ask, what kind of a >Palm is that?" Mr. Rehorst said. > >The answer is that Mr. Rehorst's computer is not a Palm at all. Mr. >Rehorst, 22, who works in the information technology department of a bank >in Toronto, is among the enthusiasts who continue to use the Apple Newton, >a hand-held that was abandoned by its manufacturer just over five years ago. > >Some, like Mr. Rehorst, appreciate the Newton operating system. Others >like its size - bigger than current digital assistants but smaller than >the new Windows-based tablet computers. For still others, the motivation >is habit or stubbornness. > >But these users do not simply keep their antiques plodding along. Through >forums like NewtonTalk .net, an online mailing list administered by Mr. >Rehorst, they exchange programs and tips on adapting Newtons to newfangled >tasks like playing MP3 music files. > >"The Newton has never, never let me down, so why switch?" said Mr. >Rehorst, who bought his first Newton from a high school classmate in 1998, >around the time Apple said it would stop making the machines. > >The original Newton MessagePad, released in 1993, met with more criticism >than acclaim. Like the current generation of Windows tablet computers, the >Newton replaced the keyboard with handwriting input. But the first version >of the handwriting recognition software was so poor at converting users' >scribbles to text that it became the butt of jokes. > >That problem was solved and updated models followed, but price (some >versions topped $1,000) was a persistent problem as other manufacturers >introduced cheaper alternatives. In 1998, shortly after he returned to >Apple, Steven P. Jobs pulled the plug on the Newton line. > >In 2001, two marketing professors, Albert M. Muniz Jr. of DePaul >University in Chicago and Hope Jensen Schau of Temple University in >Philadelphia, jointly began studying the Newton holdouts. "The Newton >community had been abandoned by its marketer, so the users had been forced >to do a lot of the duties of the manufacturer," Dr. Muniz said. > >Sticking with the technology is frequently "a point of pride" among the 80 >or so Newton users that he has interviewed, Dr. Muniz said. But he has >also found that most are demanding computer users with up-to-date desktop >machines. "They're not Luddites," he said. "They firmly believe the Newton >is the best device." > >Indeed, Dr. Muniz himself has joined the ranks of the converted. He bought >a secondhand Newton (available for $100 to $300) to help him understand >the community he is researching. Soon the Newton had replaced his own Palm. > >"I really like the large writing screen," he said. > >One design factor has helped owners keep their Newtons up to date. The >later models include standard card slots that accept memory cards and a >variety of accessories. Many users install an Ethernet card in one slot as >a way to synchronize their Newtons with their other computers. > >Developing the software to make new functions and hardware work is mostly >a volunteer effort. Eric Schneck, a computer programmer in Brooklyn who >has used Newtons since 1994, wrote a program with Apple's permission that >turns a Newton with a memory card into a full-featured music player that >synchronizes with Apple's iTunes software. > >Although Newtons are no longer covered by warranties, Apple will repair >them. When Mr. Rehorst damaged his model, the 2100, two years ago, he >shipped it to Apple's Canadian subsidiary. The company sent him what >seemed to be a new unit for the equivalent of $127. > >Unsurprisingly, comeback rumors are a popular topic at Mr. Rehorst's >forum. "The eternal hope among users is that one day something as good as >Newton will be released by Apple," he said. > >Dr. Muniz said that such speculation, however unwarranted, was natural. >"It's important that there be these kinds of thoughts to keep the >community energized," he said. "But it does have a certain 'Waiting for >Godot' quality to it." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:38:02 -0600 From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 > In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > >> If you are a heavy NPDS user (i.e. your Newton is connected 24/7) and >> you prefer to test this new build instead of testing the watcher, >> drop me a line. I might freeze the watcher here to see if NPDS is >> more stable with this change, but since I'll work on ATA Support, >> I'll probably reboot this development unit very often. So what version of nHTTPd does Watcher 1.1a1 work with? P.S. Is there already another meens to reboot the Newton and/or nHTTPd if it stops responding? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:53:37 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >> If you are a heavy NPDS user (i.e. your Newton is connected 24/7) and >> you prefer to test this new build instead of testing the watcher, >> drop me a line. I might freeze the watcher here to see if NPDS is >> more stable with this change, but since I'll work on ATA Support, >> I'll probably reboot this development unit very often. > >So what version of nHTTPd does Watcher 1.1a1 work with? I would imagine that it is meant to be used with the most recent release - which is currently 2.103 >P.S. Is there already another meens to reboot the Newton >and/or nHTTPd if it stops responding? Only manually. Hit the reset button or use a GestureLaunch script or Dashboard to trigger the reboot. You can also simply stop and restart NPDS in most cases. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #38 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 03:14:28 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 30691 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 1 Apr 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 07E4D2FF; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:12:04 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E802FB for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A4F72DFD; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 03:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:11:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #39 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030401011140.43A4F72DFD_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 31 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 039 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 [NPDS] NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:18:26 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 Il me semble que le 30/3/03 à 16:53 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: > >So what version of nHTTPd does Watcher 1.1a1 work with? > >I would imagine that it is meant to be used with the most recent release >- which is currently 2.103 It works with nHTTPd 2.1 and higher, apparently. The big difference is that you can enable and disable various parts of the watcher. I'm not very happy of this release and of nHTTPd 2.104. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:00:16 -0600 From: John Skinner <nospam_john.skinner_at_vanderbilt_dot_edu> Subject: [NPDS] NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! F.Y.I I downloaded the new nHTTPd 2.103.img from http://npds.free.fr/modules/httpserver/ and the disk image has no contents. I ended up just downloading the package file by it's self. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:17:50 -0600 From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 On 3/30/03 5:53 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: >> So what version of nHTTPd does Watcher 1.1a1 work with? > > I would imagine that it is meant to be used with the most recent release > - which is currently 2.103 > And where would I find the new Watcher version 1.1a1? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] Watcher 1.1a1 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:34:53 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >And where would I find the new Watcher version 1.1a1? http://npds.free.fr/modules/npdswatcher/ Note that the package and disk image uses the older numbering system, so the one you are looking for is named: 101ac_NPDS_Watcher.pkg g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:37:39 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >I downloaded the new nHTTPd 2.103.img from >http://npds.free.fr/modules/httpserver/ and the disk image has no contents. Hmmm, you're right. It is empty. Actually, the source code for this version is a secret... shhhh. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #39 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Mar 18 03:13:39 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 25958 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 02:11:31 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C5971396; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:12:29 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75217394 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706C172F38; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 03:11:29 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #28 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030318021129.706C172F38_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 18 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 028 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:31:23 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] 2.1 reflections & Logging From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> I had not run NPDS for quite a while, so after seeing Paul's announcement that 2.1 was available with fixes for Grant's logging issues, I downloaded all the newest versions of the components, installed them, and started serving again. Paul should be proud of his accomplishments; compared to 2.045, which I had been running, 2.1 seems very stable. I did note today that after some type of crash that took down the server I was unable to access the log at all; while the /html/cfg page loaded, I would get an Internal Server Failure error when NPDS went to display the log. I ended up trashing the NPDS log in Storage and starting the server again; now I can access the log. I found this to be interesting, but without BugTrap installed I can't offer anything of use to Paul. I'm also glad to see that the /html/admin-post.html page is still there in version 2.1; I wish that the ability to select which folder in Notes the admin wants to post the note actually worked: it posts to the WWW folder no matter which folder is specified. A work around would be to post a note the normal way and link to the admin-posted notes by their titles (/html/unix for example). Since NPDS supports links in the notes this isn't difficult but it is inelegant. I really hope version 3 might contain an admin-post option, as it is very nice to consider the possibility of posting to any folder on a remote Newton. Additionally. I have resurrected a draft of using NPDS with firewalls; it is available on my NPDS server. While some of the information is available in the NPDS documentation, some expands upon it a bit. The links are outdated, some lead nowhere, but if people are interested in me improving it I could find the time. Again, thanks for such a great project Paul and all the others who work so hard on the NPDS suite. I look forward to the innovations that version 3 might bring! Cheers, Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #28 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Mar 13 03:12:12 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 22304 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 02:11:45 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 02:11:45 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id A98FA4F1; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:12:24 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6774EE for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E20972E17; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:11:43 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #23 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030313021143.1E20972E17_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 12 Mar 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 023 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:58:34 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_chuma_at_chuma_dot_org> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Hi gang. > > I manually deleted my NPDS log soup the other day, and now NPDS won't > create a new one. I've tried turning logging off and on again several > times, but to no avail. This is a very curious happening. Any suggestions > on how to get my server log back up and running? > > It'd sure be nice to be able to write the log to notepad or works, > wouldn't it? I have a DashBoard script that does that, Paul gave it to me a while back. It dumps the log to Notes. I'll try to get it to you tomorrow. -- ------Victor Rehorst -- victor@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca | chuma@chuma.org------ ---- Webmaster, United Network of Newton Archives: http://www.unna.org ---- -------------- Homepage and Newton Stuff: http://www.chuma.org ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:19:11 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working Il me semble que le 11/3/03 à 16:56 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >I manually deleted my NPDS log soup the other day, and now NPDS won't >create a new one. I've tried turning logging off and on again several >times, but to no avail. This is a very curious happening. Any suggestions >on how to get my server log back up and running? Umm. There is a problem indeed. It's been eons since I checked my logs and although logging is enabled on my Newton, I only have one entry in the log soup (for the tracker), even if I do access my Newton. The weird thing is that I cannot find the code that actually logs regular requests, even in older versions. (later) OK, logging is completely broken in 2.046. Apparently, I removed the line that actually logs by mistake, but if you add it back (in protoTCPEndpoint:DoUnbind), it will be buggy as it used to be in the past. I haven't understood yet how the Newton logged a tracker request yesterday night. Maybe it's time to redesign this log feature and make it thread safe. >It'd sure be nice to be able to write the log to notepad or works, >wouldn't it? That can be done very easily with a script. I had two scripts: - one from DashBoard that Victor talked about - one from the Script Editor so you can let people access the stats without using the config module (http://foo/cfg/). Basically these scripts uses the text export of the log feature of NPDS. You access this text with: local theText := GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToTextFile(nil); (parameter is a remnant of some feature (?) and is unused). You can create a new note with it with: GetRoot().paperroll:MakeTextNote(theText, true); You can also iterate in the soup directly to create a nice table with all the entries and so on. The format is quite simple. The soup's name is "Log:MAVON". Each entry is a host. The IP is in ip slot. The domain name, if present, is in name slot. You have a requests array in the entry. Each item is a frame. Path slot is the path, Time slot is the time in Time() format (minutes since 1904). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:24:29 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS server log no longer working Il me semble que le 12/3/03 à 09:19 +0100, je vous racontais: >I haven't understood yet how the Newton logged a tracker request >yesterday night. I have a theory. I had an error request (error requests are logged under some circumstances). Then I had a tracker request. It filled the global variable about the request and then the error request was logged. So in the end, the logged request was that tracker request. Sounds plausible. And definitely means that there is a need for a big refactoring of this part of NPDS. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #23 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 05:21:15 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 32615 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 3 Apr 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 674E7225; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:11:59 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8D242 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918FE72E29; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 03:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:11:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #40 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030403011132.918FE72E29_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 02 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 040 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:20:02 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! Il me semble que le 31/3/03 à 08:37 -0700, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >>I downloaded the new nHTTPd 2.103.img from >>http://npds.free.fr/modules/httpserver/ and the disk image has no contents. > >Hmmm, you're right. It is empty. Actually, the source code for this >version is a secret... shhhh. :) This is a bad news considering that: - 2.104 isn't that stable, so I'll probably revert to 2.103's way to do things. - the disk image on my own machine is empty as well. - backups occur on the 23rd and 2.103 was released on the 24th (like 2.102). Fortunately, I know what I changed between 2.103 and 2.104 and between 2.102 and 2.103. 2.102's disk image is correct. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #40 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 03:13:15 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 2964 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2003 01:11:33 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 4 Apr 2003 01:11:33 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 45E83339; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:12:02 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182D5267 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB3972E28; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 03:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 04 Apr 2003 03:11:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 03:11:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #41 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030404011131.ECB3972E28_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 03 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 041 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Problems with Admin Post/2.103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:07:31 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Problems with Admin Post/2.103 From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> --Apple-Mail-2-222690878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello everybody: I tried twice this morning to do an admin-post to my WWW Posts folder, and both times the note was reported as being successfully created. However, upon loading the page, I receive the following error: File Contains No Data [an exception occurred actually]. Any insight into why this might be occurring? It wasn't that long of a note or anything that I attempted to Post. Strange, huh? Thanks, Josh --Apple-Mail-2-222690878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hello everybody: I tried twice this morning to do an admin-post to my WWW Posts folder, and both times the note was reported as being successfully created. However, upon loading the page, I receive the following error: <italic>File Contains No Data [an exception occurred actually]. </italic>Any insight into why this might be occurring? It wasn't that long of a note or anything that I attempted to Post. Strange, huh? Thanks, Josh<italic> </italic> --Apple-Mail-2-222690878-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:19:16 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with Admin Post/2.103 Il me semble que le 3/4/03 à 11:07 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >Any insight into why this might be occurring? It wasn't that long >of a note or anything that I attempted to Post. Strange, huh? Great. I try to catch such an error from a post I sent to Tim. Could you please: - install Bug Trap - tell it to catch exception in try blocks - access the page - disable Bug Trap - send me the report(s). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:28:01 -0800 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with Admin Post/2.103 From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Yes, I will do this when I return home today. Thanks, Josh On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 3/4/03 à 11:07 -0800, Josh Burker nous racontait: >> Any insight into why this might be occurring? It wasn't that long of >> a note or anything that I attempted to Post. Strange, huh? > > Great. I try to catch such an error from a post I sent to Tim. Could > you please: > - install Bug Trap > - tell it to catch exception in try blocks > - access the page > - disable Bug Trap > - send me the report(s). > > Paul > -- > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #41 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 03:12:57 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 18383 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2003 01:11:37 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 10 Apr 2003 01:11:37 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 3BFAC7D5; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B811F7D4 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0993372E1A; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #43 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030410011135.0993372E1A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 09 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 043 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:02:23 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] 2.103 and Stability From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> I'm probably jinxing myself here, but running NPDS 2.103 I have had over 3 days of uptime. No Watcher, and I've been racking up some hits. Great work, Paul. Cheers, Josh ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:42:01 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >I'm probably jinxing myself here, but running NPDS 2.103 I have had >over 3 days of uptime. No Watcher, and I've been racking up some hits. Now if Paul could just find the source code for 2.103... ;) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:05:24 -0400 Hmm. My MPDS 2.103 is dead dead dead by the time I get back to it each morning... and no Bug Reports generated, either. Paul F. >In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >I'm probably jinxing myself here, but running NPDS 2.103 I have had >over 3 days of uptime. No Watcher, and I've been racking up some hits. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:24:49 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability From: Timothy Swan <nospam_timswan_at_blazenetme_dot_net> I'm now using NPDS 2.103 and have had it running as long as 5 days without a hiccup. I then tried the newest tracker, which is supposed to get along with 2.103, and immediately was having reboots every couple of hours. Got rid of the tracker and I'm now chugging along fine (so far) again. Tim Josh wrote: > I'm probably jinxing myself here, but running NPDS 2.103 I have had > over 3 days of uptime. No Watcher, and I've been racking up some hits. > Great work, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:40:27 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I am having no problems running nHTTPd version 2.103 and using the newest Watcher (listed as version 101ac on npds.free.fr). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:01:07 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Display Newtscript code in HTML? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I was wondering how everybody else is using HTML to display Newtscript code on a web page. My attempt doesn't seem to be the best way. You can see the result of my attempt here... http://68.53.25.2:8088/html/grant's%20list%20installed%20packages%20(script) And you can see the HTML I used for my attempt here... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ndutyme/html.gif -- ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:56:18 -0400 ...have you made sure the note is filed in the folder defined to be accessible by NoteServ? Have you tried accessing it with its unique ID? Paul F. -----Original Message----- From: John Skinner [mailto:john@johnskinner.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 1:01 PM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Display Newtscript code in HTML? I was wondering how everybody else is using HTML to display Newtscript code on a web page. My attempt doesn't seem to be the best way. You can see the result of my attempt here... http://68.53.25.2:8088/html/grant's%20list%20installed%20packages%20(script) And you can see the HTML I used for my attempt here... http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ndutyme/html.gif -- [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:05:35 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Let me clarify. Everything has been working fine. It just looks kinda ugly (very long and spaced out). > ...have you made sure the note is filed in the folder defined to be > accessible by NoteServ? Yes the note is filed in a folder that NoteServ defines as accessible, and it can be accessed. > > Have you tried accessing it with its unique ID? > Yes I have tried that too, and both the unique ID method and the Note Name method work. -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:47:33 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? John Skinner wrote: > Let me clarify. > > Everything has been working fine. It just looks kinda ugly (very long and > spaced out). > You don't have to apply <XMP> to every line, do you? That's probably why your browser is spacing the lines out so much. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #43 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 03:12:04 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 10003 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2003 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 11 Apr 2003 01:11:56 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C484E31F; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383F0348 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC80772E2C; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:11:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:11:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 03:11:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #44 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030411011153.DC80772E2C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 10 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 044 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:23:27 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? Victor Rehorst wrote: > John Skinner wrote: > >> Let me clarify. >> >> Everything has been working fine. It just looks kinda ugly (very long and >> spaced out). >> > > You don't have to apply <XMP> to every line, do you? That's probably > why your browser is spacing the lines out so much. > In fact, to quote the Netscape HTML tag reference here: http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/htmlguid/tags4.htm#1424741 "The XMP tag displays a sequence of literal characters in the browser's default fixed-width font. The XMP element displays all white space and line breaks exactly as they appear inside the <XMP> and </XMP> tags." So you definately don't have to stop and start the XMP tag with every line of code. XML suppresses interpretation of all HTML tags and entities except for its end tag, while it's kissin' cousin, PRE, allows for interpretation of HTML within a PRE tag. Thus endeth the HTML lesson :) -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:09:05 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >In fact, to quote the Netscape HTML tag reference here: >http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/htmlguid/tags4.htm#1424741 > >"The XMP tag displays a sequence of literal characters in the browser's >default fixed-width font. The XMP element displays all white space and line >breaks exactly as they appear inside the <XMP> and </XMP> tags." However, the <XMP> tag was deprecated as of the HTML 4.0 spec back in 1997 and quite frankly should not be used. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/changes.html#h-A.3 There is no guarantee that future iterations of browsers will support this tag. Officially, they don't have to support deprecated or obsolete tags. I would suggest the use of the <PRE> tag in conjunction with converting all '<' and '>' characters to their equivilent HTML entities: < and > - this is what I do in my NPDS served notes. >Thus endeth the HTML lesson :) And thus endeth the additional forward compatibility and web standards lesson. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:35:17 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 4/10/03 11:09 AM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > >> Thus endeth the HTML lesson :) > > And thus endeth the additional forward compatibility and web standards > lesson. Well thanks guys! I knew that the <XMP> tag had been "retired" and it's use was not recommended. But I couldn't find/didn't know of another way to achieve what I was trying to do. I thought that I might find my answer here, and I was right! Thanks a bunch guys! -- ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #44 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Apr 13 03:11:47 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 26970 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 13 Apr 2003 01:11:27 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 0A1204B5; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F554A8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE3772F2E; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #46 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030413011126.7AE3772F2E_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 12 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 046 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:32:58 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Was "equi'vile'nt" a Freudian slip? Oh no, NT *is* quite vile. >Are you saying that we should use < everywhere rather than < ? Only when you are displaying html code *as* code. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #46 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 03:14:07 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 19632 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 12 Apr 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 143B974C; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B678E747 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2584372E10; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:11:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 03:11:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #45 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030412011133.2584372E10_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 11 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 045 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Display Newtscript code in HTML? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:57:53 -0400 Was "equi'vile'nt" a Freudian slip? Are you saying that we should use < everywhere rather than < ? Oyyy Paul F. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #45 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 14:30:36 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 13197 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2003 01:12:10 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 5 Apr 2003 01:12:10 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 05EA84BE; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:12:13 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2F740A for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0247572E17; Sat, 5 Apr 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 05 Apr 2003 03:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 03:11:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #42 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030405011139.0247572E17_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 04 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 042 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: NHTTPd 2.103.img on npds.free.fr is empty! Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:48:15 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >This is a bad news considering that: >- 2.104 isn't that stable, so I'll probably revert to 2.103's way to do >things. >- the disk image on my own machine is empty as well. >- backups occur on the 23rd and 2.103 was released on the 24th (like 2.102). Doh. Doesn't that just figure? Murphy certainly was busy at your home that week, wasn't he Paul? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Error when deleting log soup Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:52:33 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> The other day - for whatever reason - I decided to delete the NPDS log soup while NPDS was still running. I thought I could simply purge the storage to start fresh and NPDS would create a new soup when the next hit was recording by the server. What actually happens is a BugTrap report for each subsequent hit. Here are three reports generated in series: http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/-72365934$1301.nsd http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/-72365934$1302.nsd http://newton.splorp.com:8080/html/-72365934$1303.nsd Stopping and starting NPDS does not solve this problem. I had to reboot the Newton in order for NPDS to recreate the log soup and for the BugTrap reports to stop. This isn't a huge issue, seeing as the log viewing function is broken at the moment anyway, but I thought I would mention it. I believe this occured in both nHTTPd versions 2.103 and 2.104. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with Admin Post/2.103 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:01:05 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >I tried twice this morning to do an admin-post to my WWW Posts folder, >and both times the note was reported as being successfully created. >However, upon loading the page, I receive the following error: > >File Contains No Data [an exception occurred actually]. I thought that this might have something to do with the fact that the note was created without a title. I used to get similar errors on my server. However, I just tested it on my Newt and couldn't reproduce the error no matter what combination of folders and/or data I tried. On a related note, I'd like to thank Paul for fixing the problem with posting to a folder that has a multiple word name. I hadn't tried out this particular fix yet. It makes my life just a little bit easier. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #42 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Apr 23 06:26:06 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 8722 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id D90B26FA; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7250C4F2 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD1F72F5B; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:11:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #47 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030423011135.0AD1F72F5B_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 22 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 047 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:21:45 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Admin Post issues From: Josh Burker <nospam_josh_at_sbrtech_dot_com> I know that I love the admin-post.html form probably too much, but it seems to be broken again in most mysterious ways. Specifically, it is truncating the post. Here is an example: http://192.168.0.4:8080/html/-500702107$410.nsd The title, Arts and Letters Daily, was cut, and the rest of the post is cut as well. This one contained no html in it at all. Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:25:00 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Admin-post issues From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> I know that I love the admin-post.html form probably too much, but it seems to be broken again in most mysterious ways. Specifically, it is truncating the post. Here is an example: http://192.168.0.4:8080/html/-500702107$412.nsd The title, Arts and Letters Daily, was cut, and the rest of the post is cut as well. This one contained no html in it at all. Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #47 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 03:14:14 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 15423 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2003 01:11:28 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 28 Apr 2003 01:11:28 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id A227F865; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52810864 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A8F72E34; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 03:11:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #49 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030428011126.D4A8F72E34_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 27 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 049 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability [NPDS] Re: tracker client error ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:26:32 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability Il me semble que le 9/4/03 à 08:05 -0400, Filmer, Paul E. nous racontait: >Hmm. My MPDS 2.103 is dead dead dead by the time I get back to it each >morning... and no Bug Reports generated, either. Yes, sometimes it dies. Two weeks ago, I had a deep look at the way 2.103 works. Apparently, there is a reentrance problem there. In some hard to reproduce circumstances, NPDS asks bad things to NIE. I've even started to design a flowchart of the server (I know that Real Programmers don't draw flowcharts. Cavemen drew flowcharts, and look how much good it did them.) I will try to fix it before leaving for Mexico as my goal is to have my Newton serving web pages for 3 weeks in a row. Of course, this supposes that no one unplugs the cable modem. The issue is that this simulation software that should be ready before my trip is more urgent than NPDS stability. Paul PS: I will probably hit the 80K record in the next days. 79940 as I write this (1 day and 3 hours of NPDS uptime, 5 days and 10 hours of NewtonOS uptime). -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:35:10 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client error Il me semble que le 23/4/03 à 13:05 -0400, Victor Rehorst nous racontait: >Paul, I had a brainstorm: why don't we have the tracker server output the >outbound IP address of the connection as part of the 400 error? That way >people can at least figure out what their external IP is at that >moment in time... This would be an nice feature. Other options include automatical detection of the IP address from the tracker. This should be the correct IP in 98% of the situations. We should still provide an optional Public IP field so users could use a name or enter an IP in case the IP isn't the one the tracker sees. I'm half-ashamed to have thought this way: the problem with automatically detecting the IP is that setting up NPDS might seem too easy. The most difficult part is configuring the router for port mapping and we currently have no control over this. Rejecting registrations with a bad IP forces networking newbies to look into the documentation or ask here. Consequently, if we do something automatic, I'd like that it goes something like: - the Newton asks to register on the tracker server - the tracker server keeps the connection opened and then tries to access the Newton's server port - the tracker says 400 if it failed to access the Newton's server port (timeout or connection denied). We probably can implement this without changing the client. I think that its timeout is long enough. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:14:03 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.103 and Stability From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 12:26 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 9/4/03 à 08:05 -0400, Filmer, Paul E. nous > racontait: >> Hmm. My MPDS 2.103 is dead dead dead by the time I get back to it each >> morning... and no Bug Reports generated, either. > > Yes, sometimes it dies. I left my NPDS serving while I went to New Zealand for a week, and when I came back it wasn't serving, but it hadn't crashed or anything. As people have noted, sometimes it just goes deaf. Since then I have loaded the newest Watcher onto my Newton. It was rebooting quite frequently until I asked it just to make sure NPDS responds; I'm not having it check the NewtonScript or anything. It's restarted the server a few times since then, but it's pretty flawless (knock on wood). The server has been available each time I've checked in on it. Josh ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #49 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 06:22:46 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 11969 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2003 01:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 29 Apr 2003 01:11:40 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 048E5511; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEA3383 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190272F69; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 03:11:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #50 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030429011138.3190272F69_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 28 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 050 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS bugs database ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:38:35 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NPDS bugs database Il me semble que le 22/4/03 à 19:31 -0600, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >It's one for the bug fix list. I've setup a bug/feature requests database. http://bugs.kallisys.com/ You can login as guest (password is guest). You can also ask me for an account (please provide a password you would remember), so you will be able to Watch bugs (get e-mail reports) and have a selection of your own bugs/feature requests. Choose the NPDS queue to add bugs & feature requests for NPDS. Your comments are highly appreciated. It took us (with Nicolas) some time to find a decent bug/feature request tracking software that could be used for various projects (BugZilla is nice but actually can only be used in Mozilla-like projects with plenty of applications, each one divided into modules and hundreds of thousands of bugs). A nice feature of RT is that it can have customized keywords. Keywords basically play the role of the popups/selection boxes in BugZilla (like version, module, whatever). Please use them to file bugs & requests and send me suggestions for more keywords if I forgot any. RT isn't really pretty but it's functional. I love the e-mail reply feature (basically, you can reply to a message you got as a requestor (provide your e-mail address) or as a watcher, and your reply is added to the bug database and can be viewed in the web interface). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] NPDS bugs database Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:30:31 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've setup a bug/feature requests database. > >http://bugs.kallisys.com/ Nice. Hopefully, we won't be using it much. For bugs, I mean. :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #50 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 03:15:32 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 29083 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 01:12:37 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 01:12:37 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 7D4B640A; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77A93ED for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9BF72F4C; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:11:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #48 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030424011148.DF9BF72F4C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 23 Apr 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 048 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: tracker client error [NPDS] Re: tracker client error ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Admin-post issues Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:31:35 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >I know that I love the admin-post.html form probably too much, but it >seems to be broken again in most mysterious ways. > >Specifically, it is truncating the post. Here is an example: > >http://192.168.0.4:8080/html/-500702107$412.nsd > >The title, Arts and Letters Daily, was cut, and the rest of the post is >cut as well. > >This one contained no html in it at all. I'm thinking that there were ampersand (that is: '&') characters in both the title and the text that you pasted into the Admin Post form. The form isn't encoding the '&'s as entities prior to posting and NPDS uses '&'s to string the various form value pairs together in the URL sent to the server. The text breaks at the '&' because NPDS parses the form data and skips to the next value pair at the ampersand. I verified this behavior on my own NPDS server. It's one for the bug fix list. Try posting after changing the '&'s to 'and's. g. ps: If anyone else is trying the above URL to Josh's server, note that his IP address has changed. Use one of the trackers to get the latest one. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ Newton > http://www.newted.org/ Design > http://www.veer.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:22:36 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Admin-post issues From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> That makes sense to me; I did have ampersands in the message where it got cut. Interesting. And yes, I had the internal address posted. My error. Thanks, Josh On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 06:31 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: > >> I know that I love the admin-post.html form probably too much, but it >> seems to be broken again in most mysterious ways. >> >> Specifically, it is truncating the post. Here is an example: >> >> http://192.168.0.4:8080/html/-500702107$412.nsd >> >> The title, Arts and Letters Daily, was cut, and the rest of the post >> is >> cut as well. >> >> This one contained no html in it at all. > > I'm thinking that there were ampersand (that is: '&') characters in > both > the title and the text that you pasted into the Admin Post form. The > form > isn't encoding the '&'s as entities prior to posting and NPDS uses '&'s > to string the various form value pairs together in the URL sent to the > server. The text breaks at the '&' because NPDS parses the form data > and > skips to the next value pair at the ampersand. I verified this behavior > on my own NPDS server. It's one for the bug fix list. > > Try posting after changing the '&'s to 'and's. > > g. > > ps: If anyone else is trying the above URL to Josh's server, note that > his IP address has changed. Use one of the trackers to get the latest > one. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson > Interface Considerations & Toys > > Weblog > http://www.splorp.com/ > Newton > http://www.newted.org/ > Design > http://www.veer.com/ > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:27:22 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] tracker client error From: martina wilson <nospam_mwilson_at_newted_dot_org> i'm really close i think.... HELP i keep getting the same error message: connection error error=unidentified client server error then NPDS disconnects. below are my settings....... i'm using the latest version of jaguar on a G4 quicksilver tower with an airport. my dsl provider is earthlink. NPDS setup: tcp/ip port 8080 Base station configuration: i have the the distribute ip address box checked, and also checked share a single ip address (using dhcp and nat). i have the private address 10.0.1.3 specified for public and private port 8080 in the port mapping tab Tracker client settings are below: newton is in a lan: checked public ip: ask nhttp server: npds-tracker.continuity.cx newton port: 3680 path: blank http port: 3680 register with tracker: checked tell about 4xx errors: unchecked martina wilson vice pres LANUG http://www.newtonmuse.com aim/ichat redpilldog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:46:00 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client error Il me semble que le 23/4/03 à 09:27 -0700, martina wilson nous racontait: >public ip: ask nhttp This is the wrong setting. a/ are you sure you have the latest version of the tracker client? b/ you need your public IP. The Newton cannot guess it on its own since it's in a LAN. >register with tracker: checked >tell about 4xx errors: unchecked Uncheck it and you'll see that the tracker server basically tells you that you try to register with a wrong or a private IP. You need to figure out what your public IP is. For that purpose, you need to eitehr go to Airport Admin and then go into advanced settings, Internet (for Airport 3.0) or just Internet tab and read your IP there. Or you can use services such as http://checkip.dyndns.org except that those give bad results if you have some proxies set. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:05:36 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: tracker client error Quoting Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>: > >tell about 4xx errors: unchecked > > check it and you'll see that the tracker server basically tells you > that you try to register with a wrong or a private IP. > > You need to figure out what your public IP is. For that purpose, you <snip> Paul, I had a brainstorm: why don't we have the tracker server output the outbound IP address of the connection as part of the 400 error? That way people can at least figure out what their external IP is at that moment in time... -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net "There's nothing, nothing better than / that small computer with a pen. Because one thing I can't abide / Hardware that won't let me decide." -FG ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #48 ************************* From ???@??? Thu May 08 20:13:42 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 10064 invoked from network); 9 May 2003 01:11:44 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 9 May 2003 01:11:44 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 1C0D5556; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAF44AE for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4412C72E18; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 09 May 2003 03:11:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 03:11:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #51 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030509011113.4412C72E18_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 08 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 051 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: How long does your NPDS run [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:18:44 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] How long does your NPDS run From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Running 2.103 and the newest Watcher, it seems that you can run NPDS really stably for about 6 days before it stops responding and the Watcher gets it going again. It starts up again without any trouble. Congrats again on the stability, Paul! Josh ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: How long does your NPDS run Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:26:48 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Josh Burker typed vigorously: >Running 2.103 and the newest Watcher, it seems that you can run NPDS >really stably for about 6 days before it stops responding and the >Watcher gets it going again. It starts up again without any trouble. I'm running 2.104, which is a bit different internally than 2.103. NPDS generally runs non-stop for somewhere between 18 and 36 hours. Watcher restarts the NPDS process in most cases, occasionally rebooting the Newton altogether. About once per week I need to manually reset the Newton because the whole thing has locked up. All in all, it's the most consistently performing set up I've ever had. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:25:10 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: How long does your NPDS run Il me semble que le 7/5/03 à 20:18 -0700, Josh Burker nous racontait: >Running 2.103 and the newest Watcher, it seems that you can run NPDS >really stably for about 6 days before it stops responding and the >Watcher gets it going again. It starts up again without any >trouble. Congrats again on the stability, Paul! It's not perfect and I know where exactly there are problems. I'm running 2.103 for the moment and it seems quite stable indeed. Let's see if my Newton will keep running for 3 weeks. BTW, my VNC scriplets work like a charm, I was able to start VNC, fix the timezone and close VNC. I'll post the source code when I'll be back at the end of the month. It's not very complex. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:44:34 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 5/8/03 11:25 AM, "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: > BTW, my VNC scriplets work like a charm, I was able to start VNC, fix > the timezone and close VNC. > > I'll post the source code when I'll be back at the end of the month. > It's not very complex. > > Paul How are you using VNC (with your Newton)? -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:49:39 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) Il me semble que le 8/5/03 à 12:44 -0500, John Skinner nous racontait: >How are you using VNC (with your Newton)? I use newtVNC. I just launch the server from a special NPDS page that includes the SSI and then I connect to my Newton with VNCThing. Afterwards, I go to the NPDS page that closes newtVNC. I configured the Airport base station to forward the port properly. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #51 ************************* From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:13:20 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21637 invoked from network); 10 May 2003 01:14:20 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 10 May 2003 01:14:20 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id A0BAA502; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9004402 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F32672E19; Sat, 10 May 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 10 May 2003 03:11:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 03:11:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #52 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030510011106.0F32672E19_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 09 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 052 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:25:46 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I just launch the server from a special NPDS page that includes the >SSI and then I connect to my Newton with VNCThing. Afterwards, I go >to the NPDS page that closes newtVNC. Sounds like another tutorial in the making, Paul... g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:03:22 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 5/8/03 10:25 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > >> I just launch the server from a special NPDS page that includes the >> SSI and then I connect to my Newton with VNCThing. Afterwards, I go >> to the NPDS page that closes newtVNC. > > Sounds like another tutorial in the making, Paul... > Yes! It does Grant! Paul, I would really love to have this function on my Newtons. Is there any chance you could share the code you used for your SSI.(My guess is that it was really simple for you to create, but would take me several months of studing NewtScript before I could even attempt it.) -- ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:08:43 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >Paul, I would really love to have this function on my Newtons. Is there any >chance you could share the code you used for your SSI.(My guess is that it >was really simple for you to create, but would take me several months of >studing NewtScript before I could even attempt it.) Paul shared these scripts with me. You can called them using an NPDS SSI tag set up through the script editor. // close script func(nullVariable) begin // script template GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|:close(); "VNC Closed" end // start script func(nullVariable) // script template local vncApp := GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|; vncApp:open(); AddDelayedCall(func() GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|.authenticator.connectButton:buttonClickScript(), nil, 1000); "VNC Started" end g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:11:49 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> Booyah! It will be great in NPDS 3 when this is part of the feature set, according to the "Towards NPDS 3" discussion: http://npds.free.fr/list/TowardsNPDS3Summarize.txt Thanks for the scripts! Josh On Friday, May 9, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >> Paul, I would really love to have this function on my Newtons. Is >> there any >> chance you could share the code you used for your SSI.(My guess is >> that it >> was really simple for you to create, but would take me several months >> of >> studing NewtScript before I could even attempt it.) > > Paul shared these scripts with me. You can called them using an NPDS > SSI > tag set up through the script editor. > > // close script > > func(nullVariable) > begin > // script template > GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|:close(); > "VNC Closed" > end > > > // start script > > func(nullVariable) > // script template > local vncApp := GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|; > vncApp:open(); > AddDelayedCall(func() > GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|.authenticator.connectButton:buttonClickScript > (), > nil, 1000); > "VNC Started" > end > > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys > > Weblog } www.splorp.com > Newton } www.newted.org > Design } www.veer.com > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:18:01 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 5/9/03 5:08 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >> Paul, I would really love to have this function on my Newtons. Is there any >> chance you could share the code you used for your SSI.(My guess is that it >> was really simple for you to create, but would take me several months of >> studing NewtScript before I could even attempt it.) > > Paul shared these scripts with me. You can called them using an NPDS SSI > tag set up through the script editor. > > // close script > > func(nullVariable) > begin > // script template > GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|:close(); > "VNC Closed" > end > > > // start script > > func(nullVariable) > // script template > local vncApp := GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|; > vncApp:open(); > AddDelayedCall(func() > GetRoot().|vnc:tknollsys|.authenticator.connectButton:buttonClickScript(), > nil, 1000); > "VNC Started" > end > Thanks Paul & Grant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:53:07 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: VNC (was: How long does your NPDS run) Il me semble que le 9/5/03 à 16:08 -0600, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Paul shared these scripts with me. You can called them using an NPDS SSI >tag set up through the script editor. You have to setup VNC as a server before using these SSIs. They do not change VNC settings and if VNC is setup as a client, you'll launch the client. Please make sure your router or whatever forwards requests on the VNC port to your Newton. Also, apparently, when you run this, some errors might occur. The first thing I do in the VNC sessions (did two from Mexico so far) is to acknowledge the error notification and close the notepad (apparently I have bugtrap enabled, I could disable it). Plus it's really slow (even when I tested the thing in Paris on my local network). But it works. I'm sorry I did not have more time to work on this and on improving the stability of NPDS before leaving. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #52 ************************* From ???@??? Tue May 13 09:44:15 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 3352 invoked from network); 13 May 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 13 May 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 7D93F2D3; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553C82C8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B5173141; Tue, 13 May 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 13 May 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #53 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030513011139.E2B5173141_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 12 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 053 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Feature request (filtered hit count/logger) [NPDS] misato tracker will be back up soon [NPDS] [ANN] CardFile 2.12 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NPDS] Feature request (filtered hit count/logger) From: "Gregory Gee" <nospam_newton_at_gee.homeip_dot_net> I have a feature request. Is it possible for the 'hit' counter and logger to exclude the tracker server hits. It would be interesting to know how many hits I really get instead of the 48 extra hits/day from the tracker servers. From what logs I can see, most other hits look like hackers. If not excluding tracker hits, can we control it some how? Thanks, Greg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:34:31 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Feature request (filtered hit count/logger) Il me semble que le 11/5/03 à 21:42 -0400, Gregory Gee nous racontait: > I have a feature request. Is it possible for the 'hit' counter >and logger to exclude the tracker server hits. It would be interesting >to know how many hits I really get instead of the 48 extra hits/day >from the tracker servers. You can export the log for the moment in Combined format. You can get it by calling :LogToWorks(nil) method. I think a scriptlet like: GetRoot().|nHTTPd:ALLPEN|:LogToWorks(nil); will do it. You can run this from ViewFrame for example. The log will then be saved into NewtWorks. Then you can import that to a desktop log processing software. >From what logs I can see, most other hits >look like hackers. You're on port 8080? Some stupid script kiddies think that your Newton could be an open proxy. I usually get a lot of requests asking for google page or other well known websites. >If not excluding tracker hits, can we control >it some how? You cannot control it yet. Hits are handled in the HTTP servers and every request is counted as a hit. The best would be a page hit counter that you could put here or there. You can do this easily with an SSI. Let me improvise this. func(ignoredParam) begin // This SSI symbol. local kSSISymbol := '|HitCounter:Kallisys|; // This page. local kPageSymbol := '|home|; // Get the prefs from the system soup. local thePrefs := GetAppPrefs(kSSISymbol, {}); // Extract the current count for the page. local theHitsData := thePrefs.(kPageSymbol); if (theHitsData = nil) then theHitsData := { count: 0, resetDate: Time() }; // Increment for this hit. theHitsData.count := theHitsData.count + 1; // Save the prefs. EntryChangeXmit(thePrefs, kSSISymbol); // Display the information. return theHitsData.count && "hits since" && DateNTime(theHitsData.resetDate); end; OK. This is totally untested, my Newton stayed at the Hotel and I don't even have NPDS installed on this one. You can duplicate it for several pages, just change home with whatever you want. In NPDS 3, SSIs might have parameters. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:26:38 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] misato tracker will be back up soon The misato.chuma.org tracker will be back up once the updated DNS entries propagate. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:58:54 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] CardFile 2.12 Hello all, I'm pleased to announce the release of CardFile 2.12. This fixes bug 34 reported by Grant. http://bugs.kallisys.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=34 It's on the npds web site. I've spent more time writing this than doing the actual changes. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #53 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:16:26 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 22308 invoked from network); 14 May 2003 01:12:00 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 14 May 2003 01:12:00 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 8B9F886E; Tue, 13 May 2003 18:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A4E86B for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 13 May 2003 18:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3829672E61; Wed, 14 May 2003 03:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 14 May 2003 03:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 03:11:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #54 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030514011159.3829672E61_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 13 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 054 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: misato tracker will be back up soon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: misato tracker will be back up soon Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:42:24 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >The misato.chuma.org tracker will be back up once the >updated DNS entries propagate. Looks like misato is back! I'm abel to hit it from Calgary. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] CardFile 2.12 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:45:11 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've spent more time writing this than doing the actual changes. Well, you *could* have waited until I found another bug or two... :) g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:56:59 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: misato tracker will be back up soon Quoting Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com>: > In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: > > >The misato.chuma.org tracker will be back up once the > >updated DNS entries propagate. > > Looks like misato is back! I'm abel to hit it from Calgary. Yep. It started taking web hits this morning :) The Tracker server will stay there, but I'm seriously considering moving my other sites off of that machine, since I am now limited to 45GB of transfer per month. Although as long as I can still download Six Feet Under and South Park every month without going over, I should be alright :) -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net "There's nothing, nothing better than / that small computer with a pen. Because one thing I can't abide / Hardware that won't let me decide." -FG ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: misato tracker will be back up soon Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:06:15 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Victor Rehorst typed vigorously: >The Tracker server will stay there, but I'm seriously considering moving my >other sites off of that machine, since I am now limited to 45GB of transfer >per month. Although as long as I can still download Six Feet Under and South >Park every month without going over, I should be alright :) 45GB! Jeeze. My limit is only 11GB/Month - with $10/GB overage charges. And I think I'm paying more per month than you too. Ah, tis the bane of living somewhere other than Ontario I suppose. Bah. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #54 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 14 20:13:33 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 8470 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 01:12:00 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 15 May 2003 01:12:00 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id EF94C942; Wed, 14 May 2003 18:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2793F for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 14 May 2003 18:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE3D72E13; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 15 May 2003 03:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:11:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #55 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030515011158.BAE3D72E13_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 14 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 055 In This Issue: [NPDS] Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:57:31 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Problems with BinInstaller Hi, I just started to play around with the BinInstaller. By the way, where is the documentation? ;-) I installed a GIF called ming.gif - worked nice. I installed a GIF called mp2100.gif - The installer crash when I transfer the pachage. Screen dump here: http://www.kise.com/newton/BinInstaller/screen.gif I try to load both GIFs (together with npds-share.gif) at my online Newton at http://158.36.48.10/html/about.html This is what I did: Opened NTK. Opened ResEdit and made a new resource in the "GIF section". Opened the new resource in the intarnal "Hex Editor" I put mp2100.gif into HexEdit (program). I copied all the HEX-code and tried to paste it into ResEdits Hex Editor. Seems like ResEdit cant handle so much info, so I had to copy/paste the code in to parts. Seems like both addresses and code match. Save ResEdit Added the GIF to the installscript in BinInstaller. Save NTK Build NTK (Command-1) Transfer the new (and bigger) BinInstaller package to the Newton and *CRASH* All my files is provided in this ZIP archive if somebody would be so kind to have a look at it and tell me what I have done wrong. http://www.kise.com/newton/BinInstaller.zip - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:03:36 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Il me semble que le 14/5/03 à 11:57 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >I just started to play around with the BinInstaller. >By the way, where is the documentation? ;-) You didn't find it? I think we lost it. Anyone saw the documentation for BinInstaller? >I installed a GIF called ming.gif - worked nice. >I installed a GIF called mp2100.gif - The installer crash when I transfer >the pachage. Screen dump here: >http://www.kise.com/newton/BinInstaller/screen.gif If you intall and activate BugTrap and tell it to catch exceptions within try blocks, we'll have more details. This alert just says that an exception occurred during installation. >All my files is provided in this ZIP archive if somebody would be so kind >to have a look at it and tell me what I have done wrong. >http://www.kise.com/newton/BinInstaller.zip The Zip does not really help because all the MacOS resources were lost. BTW, you might want to edit the comment of the GIF image: >Created or modified by > >Yvonne Demirel > > > > > >Assembled with GIF Construction Set: > > > >Alchemy Mindworks Inc. > >Box 500 > >Beeton, ON > >L0G 1A0 > >CANADA. > > > >http://www.mindworkshop.com :) Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:37:27 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I just started to play around with the BinInstaller. >>By the way, where is the documentation? ;-) > >You didn't find it? >I think we lost it. Anyone saw the documentation for BinInstaller? It's not lost. I just haven't finished writing it yet. :P >>I put mp2100.gif into HexEdit (program). I copied all the HEX-code and >>tried to paste it into ResEdits Hex Editor. Seems like ResEdit cant handle >>so much info, so I had to copy/paste the code in to parts. Seems like both >>addresses and code match. I ran into this problem as well. What I ended up doing as a solution was to paste the larger hex chunks into a TEXT resource and just refer to it in the NTK code rather than the sample GIF resource as supplied. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:45:05 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller On Wed, 14 May 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > If you intall and activate BugTrap and tell it to catch exceptions > within try blocks, we'll have more details. This alert just says that > an exception occurred during installation. That was done, but BugTrap 1.6 wasn't catching anything. Or at least nothing appears in the Notes. Yes I remembered the try blocks. > The Zip does not really help because all the MacOS resources were lost. Bummer! Will the BinInstaller.sit at the same location work better? > BTW, you might want to edit the comment of the GIF image: > >Created or modified by > >Yvonne Demirel Ehhh... Friend of mine, but still doesn't have to be there! - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:51:58 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller On Wed, 14 May 2003 grant@splorp.com wrote: > In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > >>I just started to play around with the BinInstaller. > >>By the way, where is the documentation? ;-) > >You didn't find it? > >I think we lost it. Anyone saw the documentation for BinInstaller? > It's not lost. I just haven't finished writing it yet. :P Not finished as in "soon finished" or not finished as in "Still in the planning" ? ;-) > I ran into this problem as well. What I ended up doing as a solution was > to paste the larger hex chunks into a TEXT resource and just refer to it > in the NTK code rather than the sample GIF resource as supplied. Just in case - Lets just pretend that there _could_ be - someone with very little experience with ResEdit, NTK etc. Will they find this little trick in your documentation? In case - Still pretending here... ;-) If I where such a person... and I couyld not wait for the documentation to be finished. How did you do that? (Just blew my cover, didn't I?) - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:36:04 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Il me semble que le 14/5/03 à 19:45 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >That was done, but BugTrap 1.6 wasn't catching anything. Or at least >nothing appears in the Notes. Yes I remembered the try blocks. You really need to set it to catch exceptions and then it will create a note. >Will the BinInstaller.sit at the same location work better? Yes. The package you created will add the tree pictures in the soup. So I suggest that you delete the binary soup and try to install this pacakge. Also, please note that your GIF is 20 KB. You're below the actual limit, so it should be ok. Ensure that you have enough free space on the default store for both the installer and the GIFs. Finally, I suggest using Binary Installer 1.1 instead of 1.0. It lets you save bigger binaries and it saves them compressed. HTH, Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:43:36 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller On Wed, 14 May 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Il me semble que le 14/5/03 à 19:45 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous > racontait: > >That was done, but BugTrap 1.6 wasn't catching anything. Or at least > >nothing appears in the Notes. Yes I remembered the try blocks. > You really need to set it to catch exceptions and then it will create a > note. I had NPDS running in the back. As soon as I stopped it, BugTrap delivered! You can find the reports at: http://158.36.48.10/html/BugTrapBinInstaller.txt (Object depth = 3) and http://158.36.48.10/html/BugTrapBinInstaller2.txt > >Will the BinInstaller.sit at the same location work better? > The package you created will add the tree pictures in the soup. So I > suggest that you delete the binary soup and try to install this > pacakge. Thats what I tried. > Also, please note that your GIF is 20 KB. You're below the actual > limit, so it should be ok. Ensure that you have enough free space on > the default store for both the installer and the GIFs. And untill the documents arrive... :-) What are the limits again? > Finally, I suggest using Binary Installer 1.1 instead of 1.0. It lets > you save bigger binaries and it saves them compressed. OK. I'll see if the new version perhaps handles this little problem. And by the way, Thanks! - Halvor. > HTH, > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 00:44:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Hi, Luckily nobody had ansvered this mail. Boy, I feel stupid. There is always the most natural explaination... No more store on device! Deleted some of my porn archive :-) on my Newton without extra RAM cards, and everything worked fine. I am really sorry to have bothered you guys. I really am. But thanks for your time and effort. Yours humble, - Halvor. On Thu, 15 May 2003, Halvor Kise jr. wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > > Il me semble que le 14/5/03 à 19:45 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous > > racontait: > > >That was done, but BugTrap 1.6 wasn't catching anything. Or at least > > >nothing appears in the Notes. Yes I remembered the try blocks. > > You really need to set it to catch exceptions and then it will create > a > > note. > > I had NPDS running in the back. As soon as I stopped it, BugTrap > delivered! > > You can find the reports at: > http://158.36.48.10/html/BugTrapBinInstaller.txt (Object depth = 3) and > http://158.36.48.10/html/BugTrapBinInstaller2.txt > > > >Will the BinInstaller.sit at the same location work better? > > The package you created will add the tree pictures in the soup. So I > > suggest that you delete the binary soup and try to install this > > pacakge. > > Thats what I tried. > > > Also, please note that your GIF is 20 KB. You're below the actual > > limit, so it should be ok. Ensure that you have enough free space on > > the default store for both the installer and the GIFs. > > And untill the documents arrive... :-) > What are the limits again? > > > Finally, I suggest using Binary Installer 1.1 instead of 1.0. It lets > > you save bigger binaries and it saves them compressed. > > OK. I'll see if the new version perhaps handles this little problem. > > And by the way, Thanks! > > - Halvor. > > > HTH, > > > > Paul > > > > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #55 ************************* From ???@??? Thu May 15 20:13:06 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 14740 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 01:12:15 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 16 May 2003 01:12:15 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id E42C3882; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A18837 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00E572E16; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 16 May 2003 03:12:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 03:12:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #56 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030516011213.D00E572E16_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 15 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 056 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller [NPDS] Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:37:58 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Halvor Kise jr. typed vigorously: >I am really sorry to have bothered you guys. I really am. >But thanks for your time and effort. What bother? You reminded me that I need to finish the BinInstaller docs. By the way, if you missed it the first time it was posted, here's a couple of examples showing a QuickTime movie and a medium-sized JPEG image being served out of the binary soup on my Newton: http://newton.splorp.com:8080/bin/images/sample.mov http://newton.splorp.com:8080/bin/images/best.jpg g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:04:02 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Il me semble que le 15/5/03 à 08:37 -0600, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >What bother? You reminded me that I need to finish the BinInstaller docs. If you do update the docs, I'll update the installer sniplet so it will detect and display an alert if there is not enough storage space. I told Halvor to double check, but he didn't immediatly, so there is a design flaw in the software. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:46:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller On Thu, 15 May 2003 grant@splorp.com wrote: > In a previous message, Halvor Kise jr. typed vigorously: > >I am really sorry to have bothered you guys. I really am. > >But thanks for your time and effort. > By the way, if you missed it the first time it was posted, here's a > couple of examples showing a QuickTime movie and a medium-sized JPEG > image being served out of the binary soup on my Newton: > http://newton.splorp.com:8080/bin/images/sample.mov > http://newton.splorp.com:8080/bin/images/best.jpg Wow! That was fast! I am right behind you. I just dont know how to do it any better. I'll come up with something. :-) - Halvor. > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys > > Weblog } www.splorp.com > Newton } www.newted.org > Design } www.veer.com > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:10:23 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X Hi, I just seem to keep bugging you guys... I always, except for yesterday, have a problem starting NTK under Mac OS X. Actually, Yesterday I started to write a mail about it to the list and just tried to start it up to describe the error message, and then it worked! That lead me to start playing with the BinInstaller, as you know by now... He-he. But since then I have rebooted my system, and the error is there again. "Could not start the application because of some unknown error" Anyone else seen this? - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:34:13 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X Il me semble que le 15/5/03 à 21:10 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >But since then I have rebooted my system, and the error is there again. >"Could not start the application because of some unknown error" >Anyone else seen this? You need a serial port. I guess that yesterday, you had your USB adapter plugged in. Plug it again, it should work. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:25:32 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X Thanks, But there are no hardware changes since yesterday. I sync and upload packages to my newton without problems. Could it be that the serial is registered to something else? I'll try. - Halvor On Thu, 15 May 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Il me semble que le 15/5/03 à 21:10 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous > racontait: > >But since then I have rebooted my system, and the error is there again. > >"Could not start the application because of some unknown error" > >Anyone else seen this? > > You need a serial port. I guess that yesterday, you had your USB > adapter plugged in. Plug it again, it should work. > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:02 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Cant't start NTK under Mac OS X Hi, This information is intended if somone is searching this archive or if someone feels like appending it to the Newton FAQ. If you have problems starting NTK under Mac OS X and get the earlier mentioned error message, uninstall the Keyspan USB Serial Adapter Software as described in the User Manual from Keyspan. Use the Keyspan Serial Assistant tool that was put in /Applications during the install. If you have software that needs the keyspan drivers you will have to install them again. - Halvor. On Thu, 15 May 2003 pguyot@kallisys.net wrote: > Il me semble que le 15/5/03 à 21:10 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous > racontait: > >But since then I have rebooted my system, and the error is there again. > >"Could not start the application because of some unknown error" > >Anyone else seen this? > > You need a serial port. I guess that yesterday, you had your USB > adapter plugged in. Plug it again, it should work. > > Paul > -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #56 ************************* From ???@??? Mon May 19 09:23:48 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 13637 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 19 May 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 1E0544E1; Sun, 18 May 2003 18:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31A53F9 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 18 May 2003 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060E272E2C; Mon, 19 May 2003 03:11:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 19 May 2003 03:11:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 03:11:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #57 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030519011110.060E272E2C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 18 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 057 In This Issue: [NPDS] Checking BinInstallers limitations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Problems with BinInstaller Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:16:39 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>You reminded me that I need to finish the BinInstaller docs. > >If you do update the docs, I'll update the installer sniplet so it >will detect and display an alert if there is not enough storage >space. I told Halvor to double check, but he didn't immediatly, so >there is a design flaw in the software. I'll try to work on the docs this weekend. They are currently a bare-bones outline, so I have a bit of work to fill in the details. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:58:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] Checking BinInstallers limitations Hi, I am still checking out BinInstallers limitations and experiencing my own. :-) On the following URL I have made a WAV file of my Newton speaking some text that I stole from God knows where. The WAV file is about 1.8 MB. Paul mentioned some limitations about the BinInstaller, but was that to the 1.0 version or the 1.11 version? Would it be possible to install this WAV file with the BinInstaller? Yes, to av internal flash memory card this time... ;-) Is there any easier way to install this than copy/paste small chunks of HEX data to a ResEdit resource? Hey, I really need this to meet Gregs challenge with his nice QuickTime movie served by his server! :-) - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #57 ************************* From ???@??? Mon May 19 20:14:47 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 18073 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 20 May 2003 01:11:46 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 6D8A8C52; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E58A6E8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5A730BC; Tue, 20 May 2003 03:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 20 May 2003 03:11:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:11:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #58 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030520011144.17F5A730BC_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 19 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 058 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Checking BinInstallers limitations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:42:30 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Checking BinInstallers limitations Il me semble que le 18/5/03 à 13:58 +0200, Halvor Kise jr. nous racontait: >Paul mentioned some limitations about the BinInstaller, but was that to >the 1.0 version or the 1.11 version? The 1.0 For the 1.1, you need to have approximatively twice the size of the binary available on the defautl store. In fact less if it compresses well. >Would it be possible to install this WAV file with the BinInstaller? >Yes, to av internal flash memory card this time... ;-) Normally, yes, provided you have plenty of space. Also, this will take a lot of time. Be patient. >Is there any easier way to install this than copy/paste small chunks of >HEX data to a ResEdit resource? Yes, you can use MPW or Rez on OS X. MPW: (select and press the enter key, then choose the file) echo "read 'DATA' (1000) "`GetFileName -m 'Fichier à convertir'`" ; " | Rez -o `GetFileName -p -m 'Résultat?'` -t 'rsrc' -c 'RSED' OS X: (in the Terminal) echo "read 'DATA' (1000) "\""File.wav"\"" ; " | Rez -o "File.rsrc" -t 'rsrc' -c 'RSED' Please note that the MPW version is a little bit smarter since it asks you which file to convert and where to create the resulting file with the resource. Also, it's localized in French :) >Hey, I really need this to meet Gregs challenge with his nice QuickTime >movie served by his server! :-) His name is Grant. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #58 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 21 08:32:05 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 19030 invoked from network); 21 May 2003 01:11:54 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 21 May 2003 01:11:54 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 5C584361; Tue, 20 May 2003 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34636178 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 20 May 2003 18:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDA672F5C; Wed, 21 May 2003 03:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 21 May 2003 03:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:11:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #59 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030521011150.7CDA672F5C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 20 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 059 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] BinInstaller 1.2 [NPDS] BinInstaller and 1,8Mb package ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:59:28 -0500 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] BinInstaller 1.2 Hi all, I'm pleased to announce BinInstaller 1.2. 20/05/2003 Installer 1.2 [Paul Guyot] - The installer template now displays an error message for every entry that could not be saved to store. - The installer template is now compressed on the Newton (I don't understand why it wasn't). It's on the NPDS website as usual (http://npds.free.fr). Enjoy. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:09:10 +0200 (CEST) From: "Halvor Kise jr." <nospam_halvork_at_cybercomm_dot_no> Subject: [NPDS] BinInstaller and 1,8Mb package Hi, When I try to install my huge 1,8 Mb BinInstaller (1.2) package the package is downloaded to my Newton alright but when the Newt is trying to install it I get the following error: An error has occured activating the package "Bin Installer:Kallisys". It may not work with this system. Contact the software publisher for further information. (Part0, Type auto) BugTrap dumps a log. When I have a look at the "Binaries@Binary Server" store later I can see that there is installed 3 items on the external card and none internal. I guess that the three items is my first 3 gifs that is included in the package. My 4th item, a wav file, is not present at the card. For some reason I have to erase my external card if I have downloaded to it if I reboot or unmount & mount it again. I dont know if this is because of BinInstaller or if my PCMCIA card is "getting old" on me or something. The BugTrap log is at: http://158.36.48.10/html/31898258$66.nsd - Halvor. -- *** MEMENTO MORI *** ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #59 ************************* From ???@??? Wed May 21 20:13:16 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 11343 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mx1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 22 May 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 4FC4D3E4; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E163CF for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD83730DF; Thu, 22 May 2003 03:11:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 22 May 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #60 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030522011140.0BD83730DF_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 21 May 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 060 In This Issue: [NPDS] Client SSI script no longer works! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 00:53:30 -0500 From: John Skinner <nospam_john.skinner_at_vanderbilt_dot_edu> Subject: [NPDS] Client SSI script no longer works! I noticed sometime after I upgraded to the newest version of the NPDS modules on both my Newtons, that my "Client Status" scripts don't work anymore? I noticed on several other people's NPDS servers that their "Client Script" doesn't work either. It displays an error code on the resulting generated web page that says... "Newtonscript Error: (#-48412) evt.ex.fr.type;type.ref.frame Data:" OR "Newtonscript Error: (#-48807) evt.ex.fr.intrp;type.ref.frame Symbol: kAppSymbol" Does anyone know what has caused this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:27:50 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! From: Matt Vaughn <nospam_matt.vaughn_at_mindspring_dot_com> Paul removed the code that this SSI relies upon because it's not thread-safe. Essentially, the old code was a global frame where information about the current request was being stored - this was certainly OK when only one HTTP process at a time was possible, but as I gather that nHTTPd is becoming multi-threaded, this global thingy just isn't tenable anymore. After all, how would one KNOW which connection was populating this global data frame? I guess one could still have a global frame where state and client information about each connection was cached, as long as you had some sort of unique session ID assigned to each connection. Then if the SSI code had knowledge of the session ID, it could query the global request frame and return the appropriate values for browser type, IP address, and so on. On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 01:53 AM, John Skinner wrote: > I noticed sometime after I upgraded to the newest version of the NPDS > modules on both my Newtons, that my "Client Status" scripts don't work > anymore? > > I noticed on several other people's NPDS servers that their "Client > Script" > doesn't work either. > > It displays an error code on the resulting generated web page that > says... > > "Newtonscript Error: (#-48412) evt.ex.fr.type;type.ref.frame Data:" > > OR > > "Newtonscript Error: (#-48807) evt.ex.fr.intrp;type.ref.frame Symbol: > kAppSymbol" > -- Matthew W. Vaughn, Ph.D. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Delbruck Laboratory / Martienssen Group 1 Bungtown Road Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724 ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #60 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 03:12:38 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 16592 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2003 01:11:24 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay1-1.free.fr with SMTP; 7 Jun 2003 01:11:24 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C5A82C94; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798A3C83 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A6372F64; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 03:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:11:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #61 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030607011122.C1A6372F64_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 06 Jun 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 061 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! [NPDS] Re: 2.104 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:04:20 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! Il me semble que le 21/05/03 à 16:27 -0400, Matt Vaughn nous racontait: >Paul removed the code that this SSI relies upon because it's not >thread-safe. Essentially, the old code was a global frame where >information about the current request was being stored - this was >certainly OK when only one HTTP process at a time was possible, but >as I gather that nHTTPd is becoming multi-threaded, this global >thingy just isn't tenable anymore. After all, how would one KNOW >which connection was populating this global data frame? I guess one >could still have a global frame where state and client information >about each connection was cached, as long as you had some sort of >unique session ID assigned to each connection. > >Then if the SSI code had knowledge of the session ID, it could query >the global request frame and return the appropriate values for >browser type, IP address, and so on. Well, in fact, all I have to do is to provide the information about the request to the SSI script. I don't know when, but I pushed down the knowledge of the request down to the ExecuteScript method. I do not recall why I did this, it is probably relative to look at the user agent for processing the HTML. Anyway. Now (nHTTPd 2.104), instead of having a reference to nHTTPd which is quite pointless as the unique and normally ignored parameter of the SSI, I pass theRequest. I do not know if this will work with SSIs that are said to return static value, I should say I didn't dig this. Please post the client SSI script (where can I find such a beast?) and I'll tweak it to work with nHTTPd 2.104. theRequest is not like the old request frame, it's closer to early work on NPDS 3. Also, are there any volunteers for trying 2.104? I've fixed a bug and two incoherencies in the 2.104 candidate I had on my hard drive. For that purpose, I've drawn an UML state diagram. Sheesh, ok, please do not tell the software engineering teachers I had last year. I'm doing my best to make it more stable than 2.103 which is not bad (but I lost its source code). BTW, just discovered this. http://www.npds.org/index.php?op=edito Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:23:32 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >Please post the client SSI script (where can I find such a beast?) >and I'll tweak it to work with nHTTPd 2.104. theRequest is not like >the old request frame, it's closer to early work on NPDS 3. I though I had a copy of this somewhere, but apparently not. Paul Filmer had to posted to his NPDS server, but it's offline at the moment. I am working on getting all of the SSI scripts posted on the NPDS development site very soon. Oh, yeah... along with the first draft of the BinInstaller instructions. >Also, are there any volunteers for trying 2.104? I've fixed a bug and >two incoherencies in the 2.104 candidate I had on my hard drive. For >that purpose, I've drawn an UML state diagram. Sheesh, ok, please do >not tell the software engineering teachers I had last year. I'm game to try it. Is this 2.104 release any different than the one I'm running Paul? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:07:46 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.104 From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> On Friday, June 6, 2003, at 04:04 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Also, are there any volunteers for trying 2.104? I found it so much more unstable than 2.103 that I downgraded. I know Grant has had luck with it though. My 2.103 NPDS has been running for upwards of a week lately. Josh http://12.242.161.93:8080/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:42:23 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 2.104 Il me semble que le 6/06/03 à 12:07 -0700, Josh Burker nous racontait: >>Also, are there any volunteers for trying 2.104? > >I found it so much more unstable than 2.103 that I downgraded. I >know Grant has had luck with it though. My 2.103 NPDS has been >running for upwards of a week lately. There is a misunderstanding. I wrote: >I've fixed a bug and two incoherencies in the 2.104 candidate I had >on my hard drive. So what I offer is the one you tried without the bug and the two incoherencies. My bet is that it's even more stable than 2.103. I cannot tell how long my Newton was serving since I have this bad contact in the power adapter plug. (I also reverted to 2.103 before leaving for Mexico). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #61 ************************* From ???@??? 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[NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! [NPDS] Mac vs Newton: Newton wins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:00:40 -0500 From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! On 6/6/03 10:23 AM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: > >> Please post the client SSI script (where can I find such a beast?) >> and I'll tweak it to work with nHTTPd 2.104. theRequest is not like >> the old request frame, it's closer to early work on NPDS 3. Here ya go... func(NullVariable) begin local theOut:=""; local theIP:="REMOTE_ADDR"; local theDNS:="REMOTE_HOST"; local theBrowser:="HTTP_USER_AGENT"; local theNewt:=|NPDS|:UsingNewtonBrowser(); local theAncient:=|NPDS|:UsingAncientBrowser(); theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><BR><H2> Your IP: " & theIP); theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><H2> Your DNS: " & theDNS); theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><H2> Your Browser: " & theBrowser); if theNewt then theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"You are using a Newton Browser!"); else if theAncient then begin theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"You should update your browser..."); end; theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><BR>"); return theOut; end >> Also, are there any volunteers for trying 2.104? I've fixed a bug and >> two incoherencies in the 2.104 candidate I had on my hard drive. For >> that purpose, I've drawn an UML state diagram. Sheesh, ok, please do >> not tell the software engineering teachers I had last year. I would love to test drive the new 2.104! (Please!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:40:08 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! Il me semble que le 11/06/03 à 15:00 -0500, John Skinner nous racontait: >Here ya go... > >func(NullVariable) replace with func(inUndocumentedRequestFrame) for NPDS 2.104 and higher. > begin > local theOut:=""; > local theIP:="REMOTE_ADDR"; This (replacement of variables like this) is still supported (now I recall why I needed to push the request structure down). It might disappear with 3.x in favor of a direct access to the request frame. > local theDNS:="REMOTE_HOST"; This one is no longer supported. The name is resolved later (if ever, I do not recall), so when the script is called, the name is unknown. > local theBrowser:="HTTP_USER_AGENT"; This one should have worked, but there was a bug I've just fixed. FYI, now, every header's content replaces HTTP_XXX texts (if there are several headers with the same name, the first one is chosen). > local theNewt:=|NPDS|:UsingNewtonBrowser(); This method changed. It relied on the global frame. To use it, you need to do: |NPDS|:UsingNewtonBrowser(inUndocumentedRequestFrame); However, this requires latest 2.104 RC build and it is not supported since what you're doing here is calling a method from NPDS which could be removed at any time. (|NPDS| was broken, I've just fixed it). > local theAncient:=|NPDS|:UsingAncientBrowser(); This method was removed. The notion of AncientBrowser disappeared from NPDS. > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><BR><H2> Your IP: " & theIP); [You have a problem in your HTML code.] > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><H2> Your DNS: " & theDNS); > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><H2> Your Browser: " & theBrowser); > if theNewt then > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"You are using a Newton Browser!"); remove from here > else if theAncient then begin > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"You should update your browser..."); > end; to here. > theOut:=StrConcat(theOut,"<P><BR>"); > return theOut; > end So in the end, the script would be: func(inUndocumentedRequestFrame) begin local theResult := "<p />\n" "<h2> Your IP: REMOTE_ADDR</h2>\n" "<h2> Your Browser: HTTP_USER_AGENT</h2>\n"; if (|NPDS|:UsingNewtonBrowser(inUndocumentedRequestFrame)) then theResult := theResult & "You are using a Newton Browser!\n"; return theResult & "<p />\n"; end; Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:47:20 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Client SSI script no longer works! Il me semble que le 12/06/03 à 8:40 +0200, Paul Guyot nous racontait: >It might disappear with 3.x in favor of a direct access to the request frame. I didn't explain why. This feature (replacing CGI variable names directly in script results) is nice but CPU intensive as it requires a parsing of every script output to look for the strings to replace. I'd prefer that the scripts access the variables and decide to include their values in the output (or do whatever they want with these values). Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:07:41 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Mac vs Newton: Newton wins Hello all, Just to relate a (bad) experience with MacOS X. I am not sure that if the OpenGroup succeeds in making Apple pay for a certification, they'll get certified (joke aside, it would be good for it would force Apple to stick to POSIX standards better than they actually do). I've run a dummy script that makes requests on my NPDS server indefinitely. This is really stupid, it spans two processes everytime it goes through a loop, each doing a request with curl. I used such a script on a NetBSD box with lynx instead of curl. The output is redirected to /dev/null. As long as NPDS was running, everything was fine. curl could not get as many pages as planned, the number of curl processes was limited by the shell as it should be in such a case, everything was fine. Then, I stopped NPDS from the Newton. The effect was that curl processes returned immediatly (instead of waiting for a timeout). And this killed the Mac's UI server. It stopped being responsive (the mouse was still moving). I logged from another machine: my script was no longer running (probably killed somehow by the kernel). I could do anything from this other machine. But if I killed graphical programs, they would remain zombies. The UI server was completely screwed up. I thought about taking a photo of my NPDS protoTCPEndpoint nice state diagram I did in Omnigraffle and I didn't save, but I didn't. Finally, I had to restart the machine (I didn't do it too brutally, I did a shutdown from the other machine). I always do a fsck after a restart of my computer (which happens every week at most). In spite of the shutdown, a file was killed (fsck told me its size should be 0). But then MacOS X went completely nuts. Classic said there was an error and it crashed. Eudora which I just started crashed as well. And finally, I got a kernel panic (the mouse was still moving, though, I love this). After the second restart, everything seems back to normal. Did I mention my Newton was sitting still during all this time? BTW, I did a similar experience from a code snippet that Paul Filmer sent me. It's supposed to kill down a Palm with an echo packets flood attack. After adaptation so it would work on my mac, I tried it on my Newton. The result is: - my mac's TCP/IP stack during the attack was not very responsive. - NPDS was not responsive (from my Mac and from another machine), probably because NIE was too busy. - the Newton was however perfectly ok. - few seconds after I stopped the attack, NPDS was serving pages again. I think it's time to install nessus for NPDS stability checks. It will be better than my home-made killer scripts. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #62 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 03:13:26 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 14936 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2003 01:11:42 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 01:11:42 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id A581540E; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3AD3D5 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85358-04 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689C6355 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AD072F2A; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #63 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030618011139.83AD072F2A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 17 Jun 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 063 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:18:08 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Hi all, I'm pleased to announce nHTTPd 2.104. It should be more stable than 2.103. I suggest running latest watcher as well. This is what Grant says about it: >I haven't run into any issues. A few connection dropped messages, but no >BugTrap reports or freezes since I installed it Thursday evening. Seems >to work well with the Watcher. I'd suggest that it's ready to go. This is what Josh says about it: >I think it is as stable, if not more so, than 2.103, and encourage >you to make it the an "official" release for the other NPDS users. >Works fine with the Watcher, and no Communications errors. What's new: 16/06/2003 2.104 [Paul Guyot] Changed the NPDS URL. Reworked the finite state machine of the server. Fixed bugs in SSI parsing. The parameter of the SSIs is not the request. Backward compatibility in NPDS 3 is not guaranteed. Fixed other bugs I don't recall about. As usual, this is available with source code on NPDS new website (http://npds.free.fr/) From now ongoing, I'll only provide bug fixing and security updates :) for the NPDS 2.x branch. Regards, Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:26:33 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >From now ongoing, I'll only provide bug fixing >and security updates :) for the NPDS 2.x branch. Security updates! Heh. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:58:48 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:18 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm pleased to announce nHTTPd 2.104. > > It should be more stable than 2.103. I suggest running latest watcher > as well. > Hello Newtonians First time poster, short time lurker. My question: In reference to this upgrade, is the recommended method of upgrading simply to delete the old modules and install the newer, or is there some further step I should take? (ie prefs cleaner) I am way short on the basics of newton operation. I have had trouble running nHTTPd on my 2100 from behind my airport for quite a while. I was re-exploring the problem, and had found a reference to a post from a person with the same problem. ("An error occured in endpoint connect. A communications problem occured. Connection may have been dropped, Error - 16013".) (for the record, I know this refers to the modem not responding, but I am using an orinoco silver card on my wireless network.) He replied that he never resolved it, nor did he hear from anyone. Then last weekend, at way too late in the morning to be working on such a thing, I had a meltdown with my newton and lost my data. As I am using it for just playing around, I will just start from scratch. I was psyched to see that many updates and fixes had been released just from November of last year when I started my Newton Odyssey. I hope to see you all out there.... thanks for suggestions, DVS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:56:26 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Il me semble que le 17/06/03 à 7:58 -0400, David Schultz nous racontait: >My question: In reference to this upgrade, is the recommended method >of upgrading simply to delete the old modules and install the newer, >or is there some further step I should take? (ie prefs cleaner) I am >way short on the basics of newton operation. You can just install these packages over an existing NPDS set. We actually advise two NPDS sets: - supported ones (look on the page, supported version) - latest ones. Don't mix both and don't use very old package with the most recent ones. There will be some incompatibilities. >I have had trouble running nHTTPd on my 2100 from behind my airport >for quite a while. I was re-exploring the problem, and had found a >reference to a post from a person with the same problem. ("An error >occured in endpoint connect. A communications problem occured. >Connection may have been dropped, Error - 16013".) (for the record, >I know this refers to the modem not responding, but I am using an >orinoco silver card on my wireless network.) Try to get latest release. It eliminates many of the problems. If you still have issues, please install BugTrap and enable exception catching. I have a Lucent silver card behind an Airport station (yesterday a first generation, now an Airport Extreme one). And it works perfectly. I know other users with a similar setup. >Then last weekend, at way too late in the morning to be working on >such a thing, I had a meltdown with my newton and lost my data. As I >am using it for just playing around, I will just start from scratch. >I was psyched to see that many updates and fixes had been released >just from November of last year when I started my Newton Odyssey. I >hope to see you all out there.... Sorry to hear about your data loss (makes me think I should do a backup). Yes, Newton development is not totally dead, although I often wish it were more active. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:03:54 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> A heartfelt "thank you" to you Paul DVS ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #63 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 03:13:02 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 32397 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2003 01:11:56 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 01:11:56 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 09D9ED1; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0C869 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34623-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421043E for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0C072F3F; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:11:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #64 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030619011154.CE0C072F3F_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 18 Jun 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 064 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 [NPDS] Re: Mac vs Newton: Newton wins [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:56:01 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I'm pleased to announce nHTTPd 2.104. Oh, I meant to ask you... is the posted version of 2.104 exactly the same as the version you sent me privately? Just wondering. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Mac vs Newton: Newton wins Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:03:13 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >... much entertainment snipped ... Now that _is_ quite the story... especially the part about your Mac grinding to a halt but the Newton still plugging away. >I think it's time to install nessus for NPDS stability checks. >It will be better than my home-made killer scripts. I had never heard of 'nessus'. It does sound interesting. And they have a spiral logo too! http://www.nessus.org/ g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:15:44 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Il me semble que le 17/06/03 à 20:56 -0600, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >Oh, I meant to ask you... is the posted version of 2.104 exactly the same >as the version you sent me privately? I think only the creation date differs. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:16:28 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Mac vs Newton: Newton wins Il me semble que le 17/06/03 à 21:03 -0600, Grant Hutchinson nous racontait: >I had never heard of 'nessus'. It does sound interesting. And they have a >spiral logo too! But they're not as efficient as an home-made killer script. paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:34:00 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Hi all, I realize I forgot to mention that one should better restart his Newton after installing nHTTPd 2.104. This is because some of the previous versions had a bad bug that somewhat nuked the Newton's TCP/IP stack. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #64 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 03:14:30 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 13075 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 01:11:47 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 01:11:47 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id ABFCD625; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E715621 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36020-04 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74FA3E for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D01672E68; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:11:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:11:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #65 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030621011145.1D01672E68_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 20 Jun 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 065 In This Issue: [NPDS] [ANN] NoteServ 2.101 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:15:42 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] [ANN] NoteServ 2.101 Hi all, I've just realized I sent Matvey a 2.102b while in fact, I never published 2.101. So 2.101 will include the fix I brought to fix his issues with nHTTPd 2.104. Matvey, the only difference with the package I sent to you is that this one was built after yours and say 2.101 instead of 2.102. NoteServ is on the website as usual (http://npds.free.fr/). The changes are the following: >20/06/2003 2.101 [Paul Guyot] > Now serves ink text embedded into notes. > Fixed the about box bug (Grant, Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:26:02 -0700) > Fixed a bug about Notes with no name. I just have to wish you happy embedded-ink serving, I guess. Paul -- NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #65 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Jun 22 03:12:01 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 19886 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay5-2.free.fr with SMTP; 22 Jun 2003 01:11:11 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 9458F20E; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76559D1 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83933-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11C716 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E7172F49; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:11:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #66 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030622011106.78E7172F49_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 21 Jun 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 066 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [ANN] nHTTPd 2.104 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:51:19 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Well, after nearly a full week of running 2.104 - only having the Watcher reboot and restart things once in a while - NPDS just stopped responding. No dialog boxes. No BugTrap reports. No freezing. Nothing. Stopping and starting NPDS got things going again. I'm thinking that the Watcher missed something or was fooled into thinking that everything was fine. I wish I had more information to share, but there really isn't anything. It's almost better when things really blow up big time, and all sorts of error messages appear on screen. :) Other than that, a most lovely release. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #66 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Jul 04 23:41:33 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 24916 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay5-2.free.fr with SMTP; 3 Jul 2003 01:11:41 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C0E8158D; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14B0580 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34562-09 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC25500 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 18:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D6272F6C; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 03:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #67 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030703011139.83D6272F6C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 02 Jul 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 067 In This Issue: [NPDS] Misato tracker is back ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:15:28 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Tracker client error? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> Hello everyone, I noticed that my Newton wasn't on the tracker today so I went to reboot my Newton. After rebooting it, NPDS started up O.K. Then I went back to the Tracker web page (http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680) and it still was not there. Now let me say that I haven't changed anything on the Newton or anything else on my network. So, I went back to the NPDS Tracker Client to check the configuration, and I decided to enable "Tell me about server's 4xx errors" (config screenshot below). http://www.johnskinner.net/config.gif Then when I tried to register to the server, I received an error (error screenshot below). http://www.johnskinner.net/error.gif So now I can not register on the Tracker server! Anyone care to speculate why this might be happening? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:12:59 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker client error? From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Hi John! Did you try using your router's real IP as a test to see if it just doesn't like using your DNS host? I assume you are using NAT and port forwarding web requests to your newton? As a test, I just went in to my server room (the spare room with the piano and the crystal castles video game) and changed my IP in my tracker config from a numeric IP to a DNS entry I use from a free DNS service (newtonserver.no-ip.com) and it worked fine. This leads me to believe its your DNS. I also notice that, much like me, you tackled this problem after 1AM. Everyone knows Newton Men stay up late. hth DVS ps dig your web pages and newton info On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 02:15 AM, John Skinner wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I noticed that my Newton wasn't on the tracker today so I went to > reboot my > Newton. After rebooting it, NPDS started up O.K. Then I went back to > the > Tracker web page (http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3680) and it still > was > not there. > > Now let me say that I haven't changed anything on the Newton or > anything > else on my network. > > So, I went back to the NPDS Tracker Client to check the configuration, > and I > decided to enable "Tell me about server's 4xx errors" (config > screenshot > below). > http://www.johnskinner.net/config.gif > > Then when I tried to register to the server, I received an error (error > screenshot below). > http://www.johnskinner.net/error.gif > > So now I can not register on the Tracker server! > Anyone care to speculate why this might be happening? > > > [NPDS Mailing List:o unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:23:04 -0400 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Misato tracker is back It should have been back sooner, but I forgot to change the path to the Java runtime. It's up as of right now. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #67 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Jul 04 23:42:26 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 2752 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2003 01:11:52 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay3-2.free.fr with SMTP; 4 Jul 2003 01:11:52 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 3BBD260F; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD745F6 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79556-01 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B345CE for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 18:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A224B72DF1; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 03:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:11:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #68 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030704011149.A224B72DF1_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 03 Jul 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 068 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:57:44 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker client error? From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 7/2/03 7:12 AM, "David Schultz" <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> wrote: > Did you try using your router's real IP as a test to see if it just > doesn't like using your DNS host? No, I didn't. I did notice today though that it just started registering corectly on it's own. Strange... > I assume you are using NAT and port forwarding web requests to your > newton? Yes, I am. > I also notice that, much like me, you tackled this problem after 1AM. > Everyone knows Newton Men stay up late. Well, at least a few of us do anyway! > ps dig your web pages and newton info Thanks! I had always intended to put way more detailed Newton information and "How-To's" up on it, but you know how that whole "free time" thing goes. Someday I will get to it though, and have screenshots (Mac & Newton) for every step of the way. I even thought of also making downloadable PDF copies too! Later! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 23:58:30 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Misato tracker is back From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 7/2/03 9:23 AM, "Victor Rehorst" <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> wrote: > It should have been back sooner, but I forgot to change the path to the Java > runtime. It's up as of right now. Great! Thanks for all your efforts Victor! ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #68 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jul 12 03:13:19 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 32470 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay5-2.free.fr with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 01:11:36 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 666073E2; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6063A3 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63331-03 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA789389 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B714D730DF; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:11:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #69 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030712011134.B714D730DF_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 11 Jul 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 069 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:42:56 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Assistance needed From: "Michael Lea" <nospam_mikel_at_scilink_dot_org> Hi, Newly arrived npds installer here ...... experiencing a problem.......... can you render some assistance with the following problemO ...... The tracker client is succesful logging into "npds-tracker.continuity.cx", but, after a few seconds it soon automatically disconnects and returns the following message: Tracker Client Oops, the server returned an error: 400 Bad Request host address is for private network (check you client configuration) What haven't I done with client configuration? Thanks, Michael Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:16:58 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Assistance needed From: Josh Burker <nospam_senorwences_at_mac_dot_com> It would appear that your Newton is on a LAN, correct? What the Tracker is reporting is that you are attempting to use a non-routing IP address (ie 192.168.x.x, 10.0.0.x, etc) with which to be tracked. This will not work, and the Tracker is reporting the error. In the Tracker configuration (accessible from the nHTTPd package), you need to check the box "Newton is on a LAN (behind a gateway)" and then give it a public IP address (the IP address assigned to you by your ISP) in the field below: do not include the port number that NPDS is serving on. Make sure your router is configured to pass http requests to port 80 or port 8080 or port 8088, depending on how you have your NPDS configured. Your NPDS should register with the Tracker using its public IP address (the address assigned to you by your ISP) and if the router is properly configured it will pass the requests to your NPDS. HTH, Josh On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 11:42 AM, Michael Lea wrote: > > Hi, > > Newly arrived npds installer here ...... experiencing a > problem.......... > can you render some assistance with the following problemO ...... > > The tracker client is succesful logging into > "npds-tracker.continuity.cx", > but, after a few seconds it soon automatically disconnects and returns > the > following message: > > Tracker Client > Oops, the server returned an error: > > 400 Bad Request host address is for private network (check you client > configuration) > > What haven't I done with client configuration? > > Thanks, > > Michael > Toronto, Canada ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #69 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Jul 14 03:14:16 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 14934 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 01:11:21 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay2-1.free.fr with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 01:11:21 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 994B7410; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6591F3 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56923-08 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62D11F2 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C41D72E61; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:11:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:11:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #71 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030714011118.5C41D72E61_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 13 Jul 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 071 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:29:21 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. Il me semble que le 12/07/03 à 2:20 -0400, David Schultz nous racontait: >at one point, Paul Guyot at pguyot@kallisys.net typed out: > >> You have latest modules of everything? >> NPDS isn't stable, but the watcher will restart it and it should be >> able to serve pages for 2 weeks without human intervention. The NPDS >> modules web page used to say that Watcher is incompatible, it's true >> with 0014ac, but it's not true with 0101ac, I fixed this recently. >> >> I know it's not as good as Apache. The TCP/IP stack isn't as good either. >> >> Paul > >I read that the watcher was incompatible with the latest version, and read >not to use it? Exactly what I wrote. The page said it was incompatible and shouldn't be used. But it referred to 0014ac. 0101ac, the latest watcher, is not incompatible with nHTTPd 2.104. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #71 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Jul 13 03:14:17 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 11699 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 01:11:18 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (64.141.71.230) by mrelay4-1.free.fr with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 01:11:18 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id E292F40E; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E532EA for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10395-05 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41412D3 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9864772E69; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #70 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030713011115.9864772E69_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 12 Jul 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 070 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Assistance needed [NPDS] Re: OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:00:15 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Not a Newton post per se, but an OT musing to share with like minded zealots such as yourselves. I hope you will indulge me. When I first started looking into buying a used Newton I was an Apple Store Manager/Mac Genius. It was behind the genius bar, beneath the poster of Richard Feynman that this plan was born. I am building my classic dream. The eye: From a bygone era, last of the mac compatible video cams before the long dry spell recently broken by the isight: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2739041827&category=25449&rd= The brain: I purchased one of these on ebay when sonnet offloaded some surplus at a decent price. I waited calmly and patiently to acquire it, and likewise It has been sitting in its box patiently for 2 years. It brings the Color Classic up to 32 MB of RAM and Quadra 68040 speeds. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/presto_plus.html The body: The sonnet upgrade will be nestled sweetly in this "new" Color Classic, as my old one began having video problems. It will capture the video, and host the images and hold them for the web server. All must be perfect for this sweet dream to come true. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4610&item=2733019160 And the crown shall be my Newton 2100 to serve it all. I am thinking of purchasing another 2100, strictly to wipe and setup with NPDS to see if I can work out the performance issues I am having. I cannot seem to keep mine online for more than a short while. I thought of testing, uninstalling software, installing bugtrack as Grant suggested. But for this to work as I dreamed of, I need to be certain the newton will be able to be counted on. So I think I will start fresh with This web server, patiently collected, with its webcam, ftp, css and dazzling quadra-esque speed will do little more than what many other computers will do, but it will do it in pure, unblemished 1993 style. DVS newtonserver.no-ip.com coming soon. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:07:26 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Assistance needed Il me semble que le 11/07/03 à 12:16 -0700, Josh Burker nous racontait: >It would appear that your Newton is on a LAN, correct? [snip] Thanks Josh for your clear explanation as always. Michael, I know the tracker server could be aggressive with this message and that some trackers in the galaxy aren't that strict, but it's for your own good. If you register with a local address like 10.0.1.203 (my Newton's actual IP), the tracker server and everyone on the Internet will not be able to access it. Once you got the concept, the next step if you have a dynamic address provided by a DHCP server is to put a dyndns client on a machine in your LAN (specifying to use the external IP, on MacOS X, I suggest DNSUpdate) and then to open an account and putting the address in the tracker client next to the Public IP field. Java 2-powered trackers will be able to track you even if your IP changed, provided that your dyndns client updated the IP of course. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:11:28 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. Il me semble que le 11/07/03 à 23:00 -0400, David Schultz nous racontait: >I am thinking of purchasing another 2100, strictly to wipe and setup >with NPDS to see if I can work out the performance issues I am >having. I cannot seem to keep mine online for more than a short >while. You have latest modules of everything? NPDS isn't stable, but the watcher will restart it and it should be able to serve pages for 2 weeks without human intervention. The NPDS modules web page used to say that Watcher is incompatible, it's true with 0014ac, but it's not true with 0101ac, I fixed this recently. I know it's not as good as Apache. The TCP/IP stack isn't as good either. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:20:39 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: OT: Inspired by Splorp, built by Me. From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> at one point, Paul Guyot at pguyot@kallisys.net typed out: > You have latest modules of everything? > NPDS isn't stable, but the watcher will restart it and it should be > able to serve pages for 2 weeks without human intervention. The NPDS > modules web page used to say that Watcher is incompatible, it's true > with 0014ac, but it's not true with 0101ac, I fixed this recently. > > I know it's not as good as Apache. The TCP/IP stack isn't as good either. > > Paul I read that the watcher was incompatible with the latest version, and read not to use it? D ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #70 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Aug 03 06:00:53 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 12903 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from h69-10-136-105.n-01.net (HELO mail.continuity.cx) (69.10.136.105) by mrelay1-2.free.fr with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 4672C688; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286BE5FD for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10724-05 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7C04C4 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F1072F2A; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 03:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 03 Aug 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #72 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030803011115.08F1072F2A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 02 Aug 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 072 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 14:07:27 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Trackers don't seem to be up... From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Saturday afternoon here EST and Shakti seems to be down (or intermittent) no newts on mymacs tracker, and only 2 on Misato. Also, I wanted to send big thank you's to Paul and to others for helping me get my npds stable. Paul pointed me to the recent update to npds watcher and this has helped me stay up and serving for a solid week (one minor downtime when my airport base station needed a hard rest, word to the wise, export your settings on your base station and save them, really saves time) Thanks to Grant for the heads up about web*pager, updating that to 2.1 fixed it as well. DVS -- http://newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:13:43 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... Il me semble que le 2/08/03 à 14:07 -0400, David Schultz nous racontait: >Saturday afternoon here EST and Shakti seems to be down (or >intermittent) no newts on mymacs tracker, and only 2 on Misato. shakti is actually off for several months now and was replaced with amaterasu. http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3180 works here. However, we are aware of a problem from the ISP. That's why there was no NTLK mail since this morning, GMT time. They're mostly waiting on the box. The box is reachable but can only reach few machines. Look at: http://www.kallisys.net/Ecran006.png Bill Shamam is trying to contact the ISP but their phone service doesn't reply. He also sent an e-mail. >one minor downtime when my airport base station needed a hard rest, >word to the wise, export your settings on your base station and save >them, really saves time I second this wisdom. Glad that you seem to be a happy NPDS user. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:49:07 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... Il me semble que le 2/08/03 à 20:13 +0200, Paul Guyot nous racontait: >shakti is actually off for several months now and was replaced with amaterasu. >http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3180 works here. > >However, we are aware of a problem from the ISP. That's why there >was no NTLK mail since this morning, GMT time. They're mostly >waiting on the box. The box is reachable but can only reach few >machines. >Look at: >http://www.kallisys.net/Ecran006.png > >Bill Shamam is trying to contact the ISP but their phone service >doesn't reply. He also sent an e-mail. OK, I've understood - why you think amaterasu was down. - why amaterasu couldn't reach most Newtons. Both reasons are linked. The ISP told us that their IPs will move. Normally, all this should have happened smoothly. But since this morning, there were these issues. They said they had some fire/fiber cut at their upstream provider for the old IPs. The result is that the old IPs of the machine didn't work and since they were the default route, the machine couldn't reach us, except some Canadian talented typographer fan of spiral logos (did I mention the ISP is in Canada?). I changed the IP of npds-tracker.continuity.cx a while back. But there is that bug in NIE that keeps cache 60 times too long. So if you don't have the NIE Patch that fixes this (http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/), I suggest deleting the Internet DNS Cache soup and then try to register again. Installing the patch will not fix the problem. You need to delete the soup anyway. Beware of not deleting the wrong soup (I say this because I once deleted the Internet Setup soup while working on the NIE patch). Even if you have this patch, the semi-downtime of the box was long enough to lose tracks of all newton servers. So you'll have to re-register. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:15:02 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> youre a genius. thank you for the email David ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #72 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Aug 04 03:11:51 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21598 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 01:11:07 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (69.10.136.105) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 01:11:07 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C364935B; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43C22CB for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47982-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026E2239 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C55F72F5A; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:11:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:11:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #73 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030804011102.0C55F72F5A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 03 Aug 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 073 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:45:19 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... From: martina wilson <nospam_mwilson_at_newtonmuse_dot_com> thanks paul! i just got home from work and read the thread. it fixed it right away. tonight is LANUG's first meeting since the group's homepage has been being served by a newton. i'm hoping for a good turnout of curiosity seekers if nothing else. our server got slashdotted by Mac slash. it helsd up well with about 2000 hits in 24 hrs. great software guys. i'm in awe of you all. martina vice pres.LANUG mwilson@newtonmuse.com On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 02:49 PM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 2/08/03 à 20:13 +0200, Paul Guyot nous racontait: >> shakti is actually off for several months now and was replaced with >> amaterasu. >> http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3180 works here. >> >> However, we are aware of a problem from the ISP. That's why there was >> no NTLK mail since this morning, GMT time. They're mostly waiting on >> the box. The box is reachable but can only reach few machines. >> Look at: >> http://www.kallisys.net/Ecran006.png >> >> Bill Shamam is trying to contact the ISP but their phone service >> doesn't reply. He also sent an e-mail. > > OK, I've understood > - why you think amaterasu was down. > - why amaterasu couldn't reach most Newtons. > > Both reasons are linked. The ISP told us that their IPs will move. > Normally, all this should have happened smoothly. But since this > morning, there were these issues. They said they had some fire/fiber > cut at their upstream provider for the old IPs. The result is that the > old IPs of the machine didn't work and since they were the default > route, the machine couldn't reach us, except some Canadian talented > typographer fan of spiral logos (did I mention the ISP is in Canada?). > > I changed the IP of npds-tracker.continuity.cx a while back. But there > is that bug in NIE that keeps cache 60 times too long. So if you don't > have the NIE Patch that fixes this > (http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/), I suggest deleting the > Internet DNS Cache soup and then try to register again. Installing the > patch will not fix the problem. You need to delete the soup anyway. > Beware of not deleting the wrong soup (I say this because I once > deleted the Internet Setup soup while working on the NIE patch). > > Even if you have this patch, the semi-downtime of the box was long > enough to lose tracks of all newton servers. So you'll have to > re-register. > > I'm sorry for the inconvenience. > > Paul > -- > Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. > > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #73 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Aug 04 06:04:42 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21598 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 01:11:07 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (69.10.136.105) by mrelay4-2.free.fr with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 01:11:07 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id C364935B; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43C22CB for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47982-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026E2239 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C55F72F5A; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:11:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:11:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #73 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030804011102.0C55F72F5A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 03 Aug 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 073 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:45:19 -0700 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... From: martina wilson <nospam_mwilson_at_newtonmuse_dot_com> thanks paul! i just got home from work and read the thread. it fixed it right away. tonight is LANUG's first meeting since the group's homepage has been being served by a newton. i'm hoping for a good turnout of curiosity seekers if nothing else. our server got slashdotted by Mac slash. it helsd up well with about 2000 hits in 24 hrs. great software guys. i'm in awe of you all. martina vice pres.LANUG mwilson@newtonmuse.com On Saturday, August 2, 2003, at 02:49 PM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Il me semble que le 2/08/03 à 20:13 +0200, Paul Guyot nous racontait: >> shakti is actually off for several months now and was replaced with >> amaterasu. >> http://npds-tracker.continuity.cx:3180 works here. >> >> However, we are aware of a problem from the ISP. That's why there was >> no NTLK mail since this morning, GMT time. They're mostly waiting on >> the box. The box is reachable but can only reach few machines. >> Look at: >> http://www.kallisys.net/Ecran006.png >> >> Bill Shamam is trying to contact the ISP but their phone service >> doesn't reply. He also sent an e-mail. > > OK, I've understood > - why you think amaterasu was down. > - why amaterasu couldn't reach most Newtons. > > Both reasons are linked. The ISP told us that their IPs will move. > Normally, all this should have happened smoothly. But since this > morning, there were these issues. They said they had some fire/fiber > cut at their upstream provider for the old IPs. The result is that the > old IPs of the machine didn't work and since they were the default > route, the machine couldn't reach us, except some Canadian talented > typographer fan of spiral logos (did I mention the ISP is in Canada?). > > I changed the IP of npds-tracker.continuity.cx a while back. But there > is that bug in NIE that keeps cache 60 times too long. So if you don't > have the NIE Patch that fixes this > (http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/), I suggest deleting the > Internet DNS Cache soup and then try to register again. Installing the > patch will not fix the problem. You need to delete the soup anyway. > Beware of not deleting the wrong soup (I say this because I once > deleted the Internet Setup soup while working on the NIE patch). > > Even if you have this patch, the semi-downtime of the box was long > enough to lose tracks of all newton servers. So you'll have to > re-register. > > I'm sorry for the inconvenience. > > Paul > -- > Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. > > NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] > ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #73 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Aug 13 21:04:20 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 11032 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (69.10.136.105) by mrelay2-2.free.fr with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 01:11:49 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id 277E4148F; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD03148D for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78404-01 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72795148C for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFC672E12; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 03:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 09 Aug 2003 03:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 03:11:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #75 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030809011137.3EFC672E12_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <x-charset iso-8859-1>------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 08 Aug 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 075 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:16:32 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 8/4/03 12:36 AM, "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: > Il me semble que le 3/08/03 à 22:58 -0500, John Skinner nous racontait: >> I noticed I was having this problem too. The funnt thing is that I have had >> Your NIE patch since I rebuilt this Newton, and it still didn't register >> untill I deleted the "Internet DNS Cache" soup. > > You mean my patch doesn't work and you find it funny? ;) > Which version do you have? > > Paul Well, actually it wasn't that funny when it didn't work. I think it is version 3. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #75 ************************* </x-charset> From ???@??? Wed Aug 13 21:04:21 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Delivered-To: online.fr-p.guyot@free.fr Received: (qmail 21151 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: from mail.continuity.cx (69.10.136.105) by mrelay4-1.free.fr with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 01:11:17 -0000 Received: by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) id E9CE42E1; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE3F298 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90197-03 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FC8227 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E272772E18; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #74 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20030805011114.E272772E18_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <x-charset iso-8859-1>------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 04 Aug 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 074 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:58:25 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 8/2/03 4:49 PM, "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: > So if > you don't have the NIE Patch that fixes this > (http://www.kallisys.com/newton/rustines/), I suggest deleting the > Internet DNS Cache soup and then try to register again. -snip- I noticed I was having this problem too. The funnt thing is that I have had Your NIE patch since I rebuilt this Newton, and it still didn't register untill I deleted the "Internet DNS Cache" soup. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:36:48 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Trackers don't seem to be up... Il me semble que le 3/08/03 à 22:58 -0500, John Skinner nous racontait: >I noticed I was having this problem too. The funnt thing is that I have had >Your NIE patch since I rebuilt this Newton, and it still didn't register >untill I deleted the "Internet DNS Cache" soup. You mean my patch doesn't work and you find it funny? ;) Which version do you have? Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #74 ************************* </x-charset> From ???@??? Mon Oct 13 05:59:09 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3631537 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34790-02 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D7D1534 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE9E72E10; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:10:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #76 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031013011040.AFE9E72E10_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 12 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 076 In This Issue: [NPDS] Changing stores (from card to internal) [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Changing stores (from card to internal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:06:00 +1000 Hi, Sorry for a Newbie question. I installed NPDS on an 8Mb card and I am getting a number of errors (usually telling me that the card is locked - which it isn't) and I can't view the logs at all. I figured maybe I could move the application into the internal store to try getting around the problem. Obviously I could reinstall the app but having started down the configuration route already, it would be nice to preserve what is there. What's the problem then? Well I note in the instructions that you have to be careful to make sure the components are started in the right order (to get the stores created) and I also am wondering about the internal references in the pages (because they relate to soups). So, can I just move the packages and stores internally? Or should I scrub it and reinstall? Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:10:47 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) Aux environs du 13/10/03 à 7:06 +1000, sous le titre "[NPDS] Changing stores (from card to internal)", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >I installed NPDS on an 8Mb card and I am getting a number of errors >(usually telling me that the card is locked - which it isn't) and I >can't view the logs at all. The view take a lot of space. Maybe your card is full? What kind of card is it? >What's the problem then? Well I note in the instructions that you >have to be careful to make sure the components are started in the >right order (to get the stores created) and I also am wondering >about the internal references in the pages (because they relate to >soups). > >So, can I just move the packages and stores internally? Or should I >scrub it and reinstall? Yes. The best is to reboot the Newton before restarting NPDS after such a move, although it's definitely not required. However, make sure NPDS isn't running when do you perform such a move. I mean it's just better to make sure, once again, it's not required, theoretically, NewtonOS is robust enough to allow this kind of things. If you move pages between stores and if you built links in the VFS or whatever Matt called it format (i.e. < entry id >$< store id >.nsd), the links will no longer work. However, it should be ok to move items between stores. Make sure you emptied the cache before restarting NPDS. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:09:47 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> I noticed Paul Filmer's NPDS server on the Tracker last night! It's been a while since I've seen it up, and it looks like he made some changes to his content. He has fixed the "Client" script to work with NPDS 2.104! Thanks Paul! It looks like he's got a nBlog server running on it too! ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #76 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 05:59:18 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA2716AC for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85695-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437916A8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D16572F30; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #77 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031014011141.2D16572F30_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 13 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 077 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:45:48 +1000 Thanks Paul for the advice.... Unfortunately I stuffed it up (forgot to move the main package which was on the menu bar) and had to reinstall anyway. The card was an 8Mb flash card (NewtonWorld). I will retry with the logging and hope that it works. Thanks again., Jon On 13/10/2003, at 7:10 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Aux environs du 13/10/03 à 7:06 +1000, sous le titre "[NPDS] Changing > stores (from card to internal)", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle plume > pour écrire les mots suivants: >> I installed NPDS on an 8Mb card and I am getting a number of errors >> (usually telling me that the card is locked - which it isn't) and I >> can't view the logs at all. > > The view take a lot of space. Maybe your card is full? > What kind of card is it? > >> What's the problem then? Well I note in the instructions that you >> have to be careful to make sure the components are started in the >> right order (to get the stores created) and I also am wondering about >> the internal references in the pages (because they relate to soups). >> >> So, can I just move the packages and stores internally? Or should I >> scrub it and reinstall? > > Yes. The best is to reboot the Newton before restarting NPDS after > such a move, although it's definitely not required. > > However, make sure NPDS isn't running when do you perform such a move. > I mean it's just better to make sure, once again, it's not required, > theoretically, NewtonOS is robust enough to allow this kind of things. > > If you move pages between stores and if you built links in the VFS or > whatever Matt called it format (i.e. < entry id >$< store id >.nsd), > the links will no longer work. However, it should be ok to move items > between stores. Make sure you emptied the cache before restarting > NPDS. > > Paul > -- > Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. > > NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #77 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Oct 14 05:59:18 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA2716AC for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85695-10 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A437916A8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D16572F30; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:11:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #77 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031014011141.2D16572F30_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 13 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 077 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Changing stores (from card to internal) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:45:48 +1000 Thanks Paul for the advice.... Unfortunately I stuffed it up (forgot to move the main package which was on the menu bar) and had to reinstall anyway. The card was an 8Mb flash card (NewtonWorld). I will retry with the logging and hope that it works. Thanks again., Jon On 13/10/2003, at 7:10 AM, Paul Guyot wrote: > Aux environs du 13/10/03 à 7:06 +1000, sous le titre "[NPDS] Changing > stores (from card to internal)", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle plume > pour écrire les mots suivants: >> I installed NPDS on an 8Mb card and I am getting a number of errors >> (usually telling me that the card is locked - which it isn't) and I >> can't view the logs at all. > > The view take a lot of space. Maybe your card is full? > What kind of card is it? > >> What's the problem then? Well I note in the instructions that you >> have to be careful to make sure the components are started in the >> right order (to get the stores created) and I also am wondering about >> the internal references in the pages (because they relate to soups). >> >> So, can I just move the packages and stores internally? Or should I >> scrub it and reinstall? > > Yes. The best is to reboot the Newton before restarting NPDS after > such a move, although it's definitely not required. > > However, make sure NPDS isn't running when do you perform such a move. > I mean it's just better to make sure, once again, it's not required, > theoretically, NewtonOS is robust enough to allow this kind of things. > > If you move pages between stores and if you built links in the VFS or > whatever Matt called it format (i.e. < entry id >$< store id >.nsd), > the links will no longer work. However, it should be ok to move items > between stores. Make sure you emptied the cache before restarting > NPDS. > > Paul > -- > Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. > > NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ > Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #77 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Oct 16 06:10:10 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8FF6C4 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 88935-04 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C065F8 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8FF733EC; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 03:11:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #78 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031016011111.9E8FF733EC_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 15 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 078 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:42:02 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >He has fixed the "Client" script to work with NPDS 2.104! Hey Paul, are you still listening to this list? Great news. When you get a second, please post your changes to the script. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 02:13:31 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 10/14/03 10:42 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >> He has fixed the "Client" script to work with NPDS 2.104! > > Hey Paul, are you still listening to this list? Great news. > > When you get a second, please post your changes to the script. The script Paul Filmer wrote, was posted it on his NPDS server. But, his server is rarely up these days. He had both versions there (1 for pre 2.1, & 1 for 2.1-up). I copied the new one for 2.1-up, and here it is... ----------------- func(inUndocumentedRequestFrame) begin local theResult := " \n" " Your IP Address is: REMOTE_ADDR \n" " Your Browser is: HTTP_USER_AGENT \n"; if (|NPDS|:UsingNewtonBrowser(inUndocumentedRequestFrame)) then theResult := theResult & ""You are using a Newton browser!\n"; return theResult & " \n""; End ---------------- Hope this helps! ------------------------------ From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:26:40 -0400 I cannot take the credit for this, since I'm quite sure I simply copied it from a post (to this list). I'm betting it's Paul G that should get the credit... My server is usually up, but not often tracked. I don't know nuffink. Paul F. -----Original Message----- From: John Skinner [mailto:john@johnskinner.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 3:14 AM To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! On 10/14/03 10:42 PM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: > >> He has fixed the "Client" script to work with NPDS 2.104! > > Hey Paul, are you still listening to this list? Great news. > > When you get a second, please post your changes to the script. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #78 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Oct 17 03:14:03 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D01F33 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42149-01 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81770D for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECE572E10; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:11:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #79 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031017011114.4ECE572E10_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 16 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 079 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:40:40 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a single s From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Is there a central place where all the scripts might be easily gathered? If not, might we chat about contributing to such a worthwhile endeavor? (forgive me, I'm watching the Churchill documentary on PBS) DVS On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 11:42 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > When you get a second, please post your changes to the script. > > g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:36:43 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 10/15/03 9:40 PM, "David Schultz" <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> wrote: > Is there a central place where all the scripts might be easily gathered? > > If not, might we chat about contributing to such a worthwhile endeavor? > > (forgive me, I'm watching the Churchill documentary on PBS) > I have been suggesting for a while about such a thing. One place for all things NPDS: scripts, tricks, settings, how-to's etc. I guess I could kinda take this on (or help if someone else would like to step in). I do have this wonderful Newted account that I haven't done anything with yet! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:43:58 -0400 Subject: [NPDS] Re: (is there a single site with all the scripts posted?) From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> I officially nominate young Mr. Skinner. All those in favor, well, let him get to it. (banging shoe on table) DVS > > I guess I could kinda take this on (or help if someone else would like > to > step in). > > I do have this wonderful Newted account that I haven't done anything > with > yet! > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:04:06 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 10/15/03 9:40 PM, "David Schultz" <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> wrote: > Is there a central place where all the scripts might be easily gathered? > > If not, might we chat about contributing to such a worthwhile endeavor? > > (forgive me, I'm watching the Churchill documentary on PBS) > For now though, You can find some scripts and stuff on Paul Filmers NPDS server at http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$25.nsd And on my NPDS server http://ndutyme.staticcling.org:8088/html/279004559$54.nsd ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a single s Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:00:27 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >> Is there a central place where all the scripts might be easily gathered? >> If not, might we chat about contributing to such a worthwhile endeavor? >> (forgive me, I'm watching the Churchill documentary on PBS) > >For now though, You can find some scripts and stuff on Paul Filmers NPDS >server at http://128.150.4.33/html/-88186101$25.nsd > >And on my NPDS server >http://ndutyme.staticcling.org:8088/html/279004559$54.nsd Ideally, we want to have all resources for NPDS available on the NPDS site as well. I can add links to John and Paul's sites to the NPDS page, but ultimately I would like to have mirrored them on a non-NPDS server as well. (Not that NPDS isn't a stable serving platform ;) This was discussed on this list a couple of months ago, but a few other things got on my to do list ahead of it. John, I think you and I had chatted about it too. I would be more than happy to post anything you put together, or else I can slurp up version of the stuff posted to your NPDS server. I have already asked Paul Filmer about mirroring his information. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #79 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Oct 18 03:12:47 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77BD46 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98281-09 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57959D for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABD672F0B; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #80 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031018011112.BABD672F0B_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 17 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 080 In This Issue: [NPDS] Using SSI to create templates [NPDS] Re: Using SSI to create templates [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:43:16 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 10/16/03 10:00 AM, "Grant Hutchinson" <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> wrote: > Ideally, we want to have all resources for NPDS available on the NPDS > site as well. I can add links to John and Paul's sites to the NPDS page, > but ultimately I would like to have mirrored them on a non-NPDS server as > well. (Not that NPDS isn't a stable serving platform ;) > > This was discussed on this list a couple of months ago, but a few other > things got on my to do list ahead of it. John, I think you and I had > chatted about it too. > > I would be more than happy to post anything you put together, or else I > can slurp up version of the stuff posted to your NPDS server. I have > already asked Paul Filmer about mirroring his information. > I do remember talking before about this with you Grant. Ultimately, I do agree with you that these kinda things should be available at the NPDS home site. I know how it is with priorities and time. I too seem to have much more things to do and not enough time to do them. Ever since I have been a Newton user (only about 4 years now) I have wanted to contribute something back to the Newton community. I know that I always wanted to find some great "how-to's" with pictures/screenshots for many of the things I was trying to figure out about my Newton when I was learning the ropes. I feel that this is my calling. With some help from a few smart editors (your self included) I would like to make some "how-to's" to be used by the Newton community. My available time is limited, and I have my first baby on the way!, but I really want to make time to do this. I hope I can pull through on this one! ------------------------------ From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Using SSI to create templates Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:59:32 +1000 --Apple-Mail-17-19943145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed First thing first! I would like to publicly thank both Paul Guyot and Richard Sheppard for helping me out with questions and feedback. Richard in particular was able to help me get the css out of the Newt and functional. I understand (after more research) that I can in fact store the css in a note and once I have tweaked it, I will do so. In the meantime, I have the front page with a similar look and feel to my blog. Now onto the main point of this request. I want to extend the look and feel to more than just colours and fonts. I want to create (or use) templates for pages that I generate (other people's pages - submitted via Whiteboard are another kettle of fish). There may be a much better way to do this (and feel free to tell me I am an indiot for trying to do it this way) BUT.... What I am trying to do is to break up a page into components so that I can eventually provide a template for all the notes. I could go digging around in the source but that would be too much like hard work :-) for someone who spends all their time in perl and Unix..... If you check out my current home page on the Newton (http://www.guru-international.com:8080) I have affectively four components in a table: a header, a footer, a menu (on the right) and a body (on the left). I would like to store these as separate notes so that they can be reused (so that clicking on a note for example would generate a page with the same header/footer/menu but a different body). Having carefully read the details in the 4AA magazine and the notes on the npds web site, I am guessing that I could generate SSI's to create the data. If I had an SSI that returns the cell details for the header then I could just include that and so on. The problem is that the SSI's themselves are non-trivial to manage compared to notes. One solution that I can see would be to write an SSI that returned the contents of a note. Something along the lines of: func(nullVar) begin local theOut; theOut:= GetContents("html/menu%20bar"); return theOut; end The problem with this is that I have no idea what "GetContents" would look like. One alternative would be to override the (presumably) existing templates (note that when you click on a note you get the note plus a footer which is inserted by an SSI). Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. --Apple-Mail-17-19943145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII First thing first! I would like to publicly thank both Paul Guyot and Richard Sheppard for helping me out with questions and feedback. Richard in particular was able to help me get the css out of the Newt and functional. I understand (after more research) that I can in fact store the css in a note and once I have tweaked it, I will do so. In the meantime, I have the front page with a similar look and feel to my blog. Now onto the main point of this request. I want to extend the look and feel to more than just colours and fonts. I want to create (or use) templates for pages that I generate (other people's pages - submitted via Whiteboard are another kettle of fish). There may be a much better way to do this (and feel free to tell me I am an indiot for trying to do it this way) BUT.... What I am trying to do is to break up a page into components so that I can eventually provide a template for all the notes. I could go digging around in the source but that would be too much like hard work :-) for someone who spends all their time in perl and Unix..... If you check out my current home page on the Newton (http://www.guru-international.com:8080) I have affectively four components in a table: a header, a footer, a menu (on the right) and a body (on the left). I would like to store these as separate notes so that they can be reused (so that clicking on a note for example would generate a page with the same header/footer/menu but a different body). Having carefully read the details in the 4AA magazine and the notes on the npds web site, I am guessing that I could generate SSI's to create the data. If I had an SSI that returns the cell details for the header then I could just include that and so on. The problem is that the SSI's themselves are non-trivial to manage compared to notes. One solution that I can see would be to write an SSI that returned the contents of a note. Something along the lines of: <fontfamily><param>Courier</param><x-tad-smaller>func(nullVar) begin local theOut; theOut:= GetContents("html/menu%20bar"); return theOut; end </x-tad-smaller></fontfamily> The problem with this is that I have no idea what "GetContents" would look like. One alternative would be to override the (presumably) existing templates (note that when you click on a note you get the note plus a footer which is inserted by an SSI). Any suggestions or solutions would be much appreciated. --Apple-Mail-17-19943145-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:25:35 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Using SSI to create templates Aux environs du 17/10/03 à 16:59 +1000, sous le titre "[NPDS] Using SSI to create templates", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >If you check out my current home page on the Newton >(http://www.guru-international.com:8080) I have affectively four >components in a table: a header, a footer, a menu (on the right) and >a body (on the left). I would like to store these as separate notes >so that they can be reused (so that clicking on a note for example >would generate a page with the same header/footer/menu but a >different body). Can't you handle this with CSS? >One solution that I can see would be to write an SSI that returned >the contents of a note. Something along the lines of: > >func(nullVar) >begin >local theOut; >theOut:= GetContents("html/menu%20bar"); >return theOut; >end > >The problem with this is that I have no idea what "GetContents" >would look like. GetRoot().|pHTML:MAVON|:fRetrieveNamedNote("menu%20bar"); or GetRoot().|pHTML:MAVON|:fRetrieveNamedNote("menu bar"); Remark #1: this requires NoteServ Remark #2: although untested, this should work but this is not guaranteed to work with future versions (although if I break this, I'll try to provide you with a better "GetContents"-like interface). Remark #3: if note called "menu bar" is not considered as HTML by NPDS (well, NoteServ), especially if it has no html suffix as you mention it here and no html header or stuff like this, it will be converted to HTML. Consequently, I suggest using names with an HTML suffix (.htm, .html, .css, .js). >One alternative would be to override the (presumably) existing >templates (note that when you click on a note you get the note plus >a footer which is inserted by an SSI). Indeed. You can override the footer's SSI, <HOME>. This is how I get the two links in notes instead of one. The code is: | Return to <HOME> | There is no way to get rid of | Return to | except by a very dirty hack (not that overriding <HOME> is not a dirty hack) or changing the code of NoteServ. HTH, Paul -- Changement de baignoire. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:27:45 +0200 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a Aux environs du 16/10/03 à 9:00 -0600, sous le titre "[NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is t", Grant Hutchinson prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >I would be more than happy to post anything you put together, or else I >can slurp up version of the stuff posted to your NPDS server. I have >already asked Paul Filmer about mirroring his information. I just realized I have plenty of scripts on my Newton. As soon as you set up the scripts section on the website (hint hint), I'll send you the ones I have that aren't there yet to complete. Paul -- Changement de baignoire. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a single s Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:34:42 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, John Skinner typed vigorously: >I do remember talking before about this with you Grant. Oh good, it wasn't something I dreamed. :) >With some help from a few smart editors (your self included) I would >like to make some "how-to's" to be used by the Newton community. Please do. There's always room for a few more articles. >My available time is limited, and I have my first baby on the way!, >but I really want to make time to do this. Congratulations! That's great news. Family first though... Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! (is there a single s Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:38:24 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>I would be more than happy to post anything you put together, or else I >>can slurp up version of the stuff posted to your NPDS server. I have >>already asked Paul Filmer about mirroring his information. > >I just realized I have plenty of scripts on my Newton. As soon as you >set up the scripts section on the website (hint hint), I'll send you >the ones I have that aren't there yet to complete. Hint received. Dump them in this directory as text files for now: ftp://ftpperso.free.fr/scripts/ I will set up some sort of templated index page this weekend. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Using SSI to create templates Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:46:18 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >>If you check out my current home page on the Newton >>(http://www.guru-international.com:8080) I have affectively four >>components in a table: a header, a footer, a menu (on the right) and >>a body (on the left). I would like to store these as separate notes >>so that they can be reused (so that clicking on a note for example >>would generate a page with the same header/footer/menu but a >>different body). > >Can't you handle this with CSS? I think the issue is that you *can* use CSS to modify the overall look and feel of the page background color and the font styles, but you *cannot* use CSS alone to add a standard navigation bar (for example) to every NoteServ-based page. This is where include files come in. >>The problem with this is that I have no idea what "GetContents" >>would look like. > >GetRoot().|pHTML:MAVON|:fRetrieveNamedNote("menu bar"); Well now, isn't that a slick idea... Hmmm. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #80 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 19 03:11:50 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783CB16E9 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54105-02 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B39691 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C3772E00; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:10:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #81 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031019011051.06C3772E00_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 18 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 081 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Using SSI to create templates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Using SSI to create templates Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:49:22 +1000 Originally, I asked about ways to rebuild the NPDS index page using 'include' files (and presumably css). Thanks to Richard Sheppard, Paul Guyot and Grant Hutchinson, I now have the guts of this working (some fine tuning required). Pictures of the results can be seen from a blog entry: http://ozguru.typepad.com/gday_mate/2003/10/oznewton_update.html Key is a couple of SSI's that look like this (Paul's code): func(nullVar) begin local theOut; theOut:= GetRoot().|pHTML:MAVON|:fRetrieveNamedNote("menu.html"); return theOut; end BTW, this might be obvious to all you Newt hackers o ut there but the pHTL:MAVON has a vertical pipe '|' at the start and the end, not an 'I' or 'l'. All three look the same in the font I am using :-( Then instead of using the table, I used some css code which creates a floating menu. The long term idea is that I can now create new pages of content with the same menu via a simple include statement (the SSI function above). When I want to change say the email address I can edit a single note (or overwrite one). I still need to do a lot more tuning on the css but the concept is complete and it is almost 1AM and I have work to do tomorrow .... Thanks to everyone for their help. ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #81 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 16:18:29 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B47937 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08309-06 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16260973 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9B872F5A; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #82 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031025011112.DF9B872F5A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 24 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 082 In This Issue: [NPDS] Apologies for 'spam' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Apologies for 'spam' Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:55:38 -0400 Recently I launched a test application by mistake that sent update inquiries to all 3000+ contacts from my Names soup - apologies to all, this was not meant to be a mass e-mail. Ain't automation grand. Paul F., who will go back into hiding now, and reconsider his habit of putting _every_ e-mail address he comes across into his Newt. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #82 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Oct 26 16:18:46 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F04B27 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69432-06 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0343EB14 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FAB872E37; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:10:44 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:10:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:10:44 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #83 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031026021044.3FAB872E37_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 25 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 083 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: [NTLK] Apologies for 'spam' Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:44:58 -0600 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Recently I launched a test application by mistake that sent update inquiries >to all 3000+ contacts from my Names soup - apologies to all, this was not >meant to be a mass e-mail. No worries Paul. Since I knew who you were, I took the opportunity to update my contact information. Use it in good health. Ain't I a trusting soul? g, ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #83 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Oct 31 11:38:05 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238AA4A7 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73368-02 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D115309 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2169673154; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:10:58 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:10:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:10:58 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #84 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031031021058.2169673154_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 30 Oct 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 084 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: [NTLK] Apologies for 'spam' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Filmer, Paul E." <nospam_pfilmer_at_nsf_dot_gov> Subject: [NPDS] Re: [NTLK] Apologies for 'spam' Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:09:50 -0500 Yes, Grant, You are. Now, let me talk to you about a sum of US$20,3 million, recently left to me by a foreigner, who died yesterday in an accident on the Sagbama Express road... Thanks - now to see if I want to shell out the $49/year for the auto updates of the addresses... Paul F. -- Dr. Paul E. Filmer Program Director, OAD/GEO US NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION vox1: +1(703)292-7859 | vox2: +1(703)292-7858 -----Original Message----- From: Grant Hutchinson [mailto:grant@splorp.com] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 2:45 AM To: Newton-Talk; NPDS (E-mail) Subject: [NPDS] Re: [NTLK] Apologies for 'spam' In a previous message, Filmer, Paul E. typed vigorously: >Recently I launched a test application by mistake that sent update inquiries >to all 3000+ contacts from my Names soup - apologies to all, this was not >meant to be a mass e-mail. No worries Paul. Since I knew who you were, I took the opportunity to update my contact information. Use it in good health. Ain't I a trusting soul? g, ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #84 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 06:04:26 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B65658 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58323-07 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A262E for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57568730FE; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:11:39 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:11:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:11:39 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #85 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031119021139.57568730FE_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 18 Nov 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 085 In This Issue: [NPDS] Scripts uploaded ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:29:24 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Scripts uploaded Hello, I've uploaded most of the scripts I had on my Newton. They can be found here: http://npds.free.fr/scripts/ Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: Scripts uploaded Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:00:21 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Paul Guyot typed vigorously: >I've uploaded most of the scripts I had on my Newton. Thanks Paul. I'll work on getting these presented on some sort of index page. While easily downloadable, the text files don't always display the proper formatting in the browser. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:04:32 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Scripts uploaded From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> On 11/18/03 10:29 AM, "Paul Guyot" <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> wrote: > Hello, > > I've uploaded most of the scripts I had on my Newton. > They can be found here: > http://npds.free.fr/scripts/ > > Paul Wonderful! Thank you so much! DVS -- http: //newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:10:20 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Whence Mymacs.net? From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Mymacs.net operated by Dan Claessens is down, for quite some time. Is it offline for good? Anyone know? I am a hermit and come up for air quite infrequently. Pardon me if this is not proper material for the list. I was just curious. Kind regards, DVS -- http://newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #85 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 03:13:19 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1FF44 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15308-05 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B878D77 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0A872F3C; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:11:45 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #86 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031120021145.5B0A872F3C_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Wed, 19 Nov 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 086 In This Issue: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Whence Mymacs.net? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:15:51 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, David Schultz typed vigorously: >Mymacs.net operated by Dan Claessens is down, for quite some time. >Is it offline for good? Anyone know? I am a hermit and come up >for air quite infrequently. I haven't heard from Dan since back in June. The last time he was on this list was in January after his server and the tracker were down for a while after a move. You could try emailing him directly <nospam_lt_dan_at_alltel_dot_net> as I'm not sure if he is still subscribed to this list or not. Maybe Paul knows if he is. >Pardon me if this is not proper material for the list. I was just curious. No worries. If it has to do with NPDS or the trackers, then it's proper for the list. It's actually quite refreshing to have a message come across on this list every once in a while. Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #86 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 06:06:19 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB51F33 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49597-02 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0EED for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D0372F57; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:18:30 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:18:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:18:30 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #87 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031126021830.55D0372F57_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 25 Nov 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 087 In This Issue: [NPDS] Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! [NPDS] serving the gif NDPS logo image [NPDS] Re: serving the gif NDPS logo image ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: martina wilson <nospam_mwilson_at_newtonmuse_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Paul Filmer fixed the "Client" script! Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:21:59 -0800 I noticed Paul Filmer's NPDS server on the Tracker last night! It's been a while since I've seen it up, and it looks like he made some changes to his content. He has fixed the "Client" script to work with NPDS 2.104! Thanks Paul! It looks like he's got a nBlog server running on it too! [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] the cure for boredom is curiosity... there is however no cure for curioistiy ------------------------------ From: martina wilson <nospam_mwilson_at_newtonmuse_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] serving the gif NDPS logo image Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:20:10 -0800 --Apple-Mail-1--907785957 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed sorry to ask such an basic question, but i feel like the newbie again running two blocks behind the big kids. i got the gif image and dowloaded it to my site http://newtonmuse.com. i made an entry and posted the gif image. i took the html info the the server is using in the posting and added it to my index page on my newton. it won't pull the image from the newtonmuse site. all i'm getting is the box indicating something will show up there. the image is in a folder called newton images on the upper most level. below is what is added to my index page: <img alt="serve-npds4-1.gif" src="http://newtonmuse.com/newton images/serve-npds4-1.gif" width="100" height="40" border="0" /> i thought this would be an easy step before customizing the css sheet. maybe not... help is appreciated, i searched the newtontalk archives and couldn't find anything relavant. thanks for posting the image grant... i got it from you newton server. martina the cure for boredom is curiosity... there is however no cure for curioistiy --Apple-Mail-1--907785957 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII sorry to ask such an basic question, but i feel like the newbie again running two blocks behind the big kids. i got the gif image and dowloaded it to my site http://newtonmuse.com. i made an entry and posted the gif image. i took the html info the the server is using in the posting and added it to my index page on my newton. it won't pull the image from the newtonmuse site. all i'm getting is the box indicating something will show up there. the image is in a folder called newton images on the upper most level. below is what is added to my index page: <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><x-tad-bigger><<img alt="serve-npds4-1.gif" src="http://newtonmuse.com/newton images/serve-npds4-1.gif" width="100" height="40" border="0" /> i thought this would be an easy step before customizing the css sheet. maybe not... help is appreciated, i searched the newtontalk archives and couldn't find anything relavant. thanks for posting the image grant... i got it from you newton server. martina</x-tad-bigger></fontfamily> the cure for boredom is curiosity... there is however no cure for curioistiy --Apple-Mail-1--907785957-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:16:28 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: serving the gif NDPS logo image Aux environs du 24/11/03 à 22:20 -0800, sous le titre "[NPDS] serving the gif NDPS logo image", martina wilson prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: ><img alt="serve-npds4-1.gif" src="http://newtonmuse.com/newton >images/serve-npds4-1.gif" width="100" height="40" border="0" /> The problem is the space. You can either rename the directory with your image in newtonmuse.com or put %20 in the address on your Newton, as in: <img alt="serve-npds4-1.gif" src="http://newtonmuse.com/newton%20images/serve-npds4-1.gif" width="100" height="40" border="0" /> Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #87 ************************* From ???@??? Tue Dec 09 03:12:56 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA48C0 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20003-02 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6957B881 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A9D72E33; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:11:03 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:11:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:11:03 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #88 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031209021103.50A9D72E33_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 08 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 088 In This Issue: [NPDS] german users with NPDS ? wireless ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:55:47 +0100 From: Stefan Hassenstein <nospam_orpheus_at_bawue_dot_de> Subject: [NPDS] german users with NPDS ? wireless ? Hello ! Re-thinking about an internet-connection for my green 2100. Should also work as a NPDS... Recently was electrified about the wireless possibilities. Drawback: only Classic MacOS 8.6 here, so no use of Apple Airport. plan: want to buy a wireless ADSL Router to connect my Macs, my Linux Notebook and my greens to internet... Any german users on this list ? Who have been successfully connect their green by use of a ADSL - Router to T-DSL ? maybe in conjunction with Classic MacOS or a small Linux Notebook ? Thanks for any input ! still tapping around in the dark.... Stefan ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #88 ************************* From ???@??? Wed Dec 10 08:22:14 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82221B55 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50969-08 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3381B59 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F972E69; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:11:13 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:11:12 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #89 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031210021113.060F972E69_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 09 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 089 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! [NPDS] Re: german users with NPDS ? wireless ? [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:10:33 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Congratulations Paul. Your NPDS server finally cracked 100,000 hits on the counter. Wow. And to think I almost caught up to you while your internet connection was down. (Only 2,583 more to go for me...) g. Cross-posted to: <http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/graffiti> g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ From: Jon Wright <nospam_jgw_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:11:38 +1100 Congratulations from Down Under as well. Big question - do you use the auto-reboot option to keep it on the air? I find that it restarts too often (when there is no problem) and fails to load the ethernet driver on reboot (so no connectivity).... Jon On 09/12/2003, at 3:10 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Congratulations Paul. Your NPDS server finally cracked 100,000 hits on > the counter. Wow. And to think I almost caught up to you while your > internet connection was down. (Only 2,583 more to go for me...) > > g. > > Cross-posted to: <http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/html/graffiti> > > g. > > ...................................................................... > > Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys > > Weblog } www.splorp.com > Newton } www.newted.org > Design } www.veer.com > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: > mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ------------------------------ From: "David Schultz, Jr." <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:32:01 -0500 Hooray! Lets open the champagne! (someone tell slashdot!) félicitations à vous pour être un excellent exemple à tous les nous. Kind regards to Paul and everyone hosting little mean green machines, DVS -- dvsjr, Macintosh/PC tech http://www.twomacguys.com my newton server: http://newtonserver.no-ip.com On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:10 PM, Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Congratulations Paul. Your NPDS server finally cracked 100,000 hits on > the counter. Wow. And to think I almost caught up to you while your > internet connection was down. (Only 2,583 more to go for me...) > > g. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:54:17 +0100 (MET) From: "Christian Fiutak" <nospam_cfiutak_at_gmx_dot_de> Subject: [NPDS] Re: german users with NPDS ? wireless ? > Hello ! Hallo! > Re-thinking about an internet-connection > for my green 2100. Very good idea ;-) / Sehr gute Idee! ;-) > Should also work as a NPDS... It will... / Er wird... > Recently was electrified about the wireless > possibilities. > > Drawback: only Classic MacOS 8.6 here, > so no use of Apple Airport. > > plan: want to buy a wireless ADSL Router > to connect my Macs, my Linux Notebook and > my greens to internet... Should be no big problem....;-) / Sollte kein grosses Probem sein... > Any german users on this list ? Yes...of course. / Ja..natürlich! > Who have been successfully connect > their green by use of a ADSL - Router > to T-DSL ? Sometimes info-newt.dyndns.org is online....MP2UK or my little eMate 300 (with RAM-Upgrade!) behind a DSL-router. Nothing special... > > maybe in conjunction with Classic MacOS or > a small Linux Notebook ? No...in conjunction with several WinXP-PCs, a Psion Netbook, a Palm VX, a T-Mobil MDA and of my Newtons....;-) > > Thanks for any input ! > still tapping around in the dark.... Very good....! / Weiter so! > > Stefan > Christian aus Duisburg/Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:06:48 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark! Aux environs du 10/12/03 à 7:11 +1100, sous le titre "[NPDS] Re: Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark!", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >Congratulations from Down Under as well. Thanks. >Big question - do you use the auto-reboot option to keep it on the >air? I find that it restarts too often (when there is no problem) >and fails to load the ethernet driver on reboot (so no >connectivity).... I do indeed. However, I have NPDS on the ATA card while the Linksys driver is on the Internal store. I know that ethernet problems are often linked with timings. What problem do you have exactly? Does some error pops out? Theoretically, NPDS Watcher will try several times to launch NPDS. Also, I noticed I have nHTTPd 2.105rc1 installed. For nearly 6 months. Without posting it on the website. I simply forgot about it. Apparently (according to my e-mail database), the change since 2.104 included a bug fix when the preferences could be somewhat eaten. Something Matvey experienced. I can't recall at all. I'm going to post it once I'll have compared with 2.104 source code. I also noticed that 100166 cannot be displayed properly (while 100165 or 100175 can). I'll fixed that one, too, and package that as 2.105, unless someone wants some other feature/bug fix for 2.105. Maybe I'll fix the -8007 when the icon is tapped from the Extras drawer while being minimized. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #89 ************************* From ???@??? Thu Dec 11 07:59:27 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72C4239 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81445-05 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30AD1F5 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA5472F30; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 03:11:37 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #90 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031211021137.4AA5472F30_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 11 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 090 In This Issue: [NPDS] Ethernet connection stopped working ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:18:36 -0500 From: Matvey Palchuk <nospam_matvey_at_yahoo_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Ethernet connection stopped working Paul, you remember my name - wow! I guess this is my cue to ask this question - meant to do it for a long time... A while back I switched routers on my network and ever since my Newton refuses to engage Ethernet drivers. Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions? I have an MP2100. The card is 3Com EtherLink III, model 3C589D (it worked just fine for a pretty long time and I checked it in my PC laptop after the Newton began being uncooperative - it seems fine). When I try to initiate a connection (any connection - NPDS, web browser, Dock via TCP/IP), it says "Connecting," the green light on the card's dongle comes on and then turns off. Sometimes the whole thing hangs, sometimes I get errors. Right now the error is -60088. I can never get a connection. Help?!? At 10:06 PM +0100 12/9/03, Paul Guyot wrote: >Aux environs du 10/12/03 È 7:11 +1100, sous le titre "[NPDS] Re: >Paul Guyot cracks the 100,000 mark!", Jon Wright prit sa plus belle >plume pour Îcrire les mots suivants: >>Congratulations from Down Under as well. > >Thanks. > >>Big question - do you use the auto-reboot option to keep it on the >>air? I find that it restarts too often (when there is no problem) >>and fails to load the ethernet driver on reboot (so no >>connectivity).... > >I do indeed. > >However, I have NPDS on the ATA card while the Linksys driver is on >the Internal store. I know that ethernet problems are often linked >with timings. What problem do you have exactly? Does some error pops >out? Theoretically, NPDS Watcher will try several times to launch >NPDS. > >Also, I noticed I have nHTTPd 2.105rc1 installed. For nearly 6 >months. Without posting it on the website. I simply forgot about it. > >Apparently (according to my e-mail database), the change since 2.104 >included a bug fix when the preferences could be somewhat eaten. >Something Matvey experienced. I can't recall at all. I'm going to >post it once I'll have compared with 2.104 source code. > >I also noticed that 100166 cannot be displayed properly (while >100165 or 100175 can). I'll fixed that one, too, and package that as >2.105, unless someone wants some other feature/bug fix for 2.105. >Maybe I'll fix the -8007 when the icon is tapped from the Extras >drawer while being minimized. > >Paul >-- >Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. > >NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ >Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- Matvey B. Palchuk, MD, MS Clinical Informatics Research & Development Partners HealthCare System, Inc. 93 Worcester St., PO Box 81905, Wellesley, MA 02481 781-416-8519 office, 781-416-8912 fax mpalchuk@partners.org http://www.partners.org/cird/ ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #90 ************************* From ???@??? Fri Dec 12 07:07:36 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EB9A2A for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16737-09 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB209E5 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587F772F44; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:11:20 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:11:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:11:20 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #91 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031212021120.587F772F44_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Thu, 11 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 091 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:21 -0600 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working From: John Skinner <nospam_john_at_johnskinner_dot_net> On 12/10/03 7:18 PM, "Matvey Palchuk" <nospam_matvey_at_yahoo_dot_com> wrote: > Paul, you remember my name - wow! I guess this is my cue to ask this > question - meant to do it for a long time... A while back I switched > routers on my network and ever since my Newton refuses to engage > Ethernet drivers. Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions? > > I have an MP2100. The card is 3Com EtherLink III, model 3C589D (it > worked just fine for a pretty long time and I checked it in my PC > laptop after the Newton began being uncooperative - it seems fine). > When I try to initiate a connection (any connection - NPDS, web > browser, Dock via TCP/IP), it says "Connecting," the green light on > the card's dongle comes on and then turns off. Sometimes the whole > thing hangs, sometimes I get errors. Right now the error is -60088. I > can never get a connection. > > Help?!? > I have the exact same setup that you have (MP2100 and a 3Com Etherlink III model 3C589D). This happened to me as well, and I know what the problem is. I Think the network card (being 10 Megabit only) doesn't play well with network switches and/or auto sensing 100 or 1000 Megabit hubs. I had to get a hold of an old 10 Megabit hub to put between my Newton and the rest of my network, just to make it work. Perhaps someone else here could explain why in more technical detail. Hope this helps! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:30:38 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working John Skinner wrote: > On 12/10/03 7:18 PM, "Matvey Palchuk" <nospam_matvey_at_yahoo_dot_com> wrote: >>I have an MP2100. The card is 3Com EtherLink III, model 3C589D (it >>worked just fine for a pretty long time and I checked it in my PC >>laptop after the Newton began being uncooperative - it seems fine). >>When I try to initiate a connection (any connection - NPDS, web >>browser, Dock via TCP/IP), it says "Connecting," the green light on >>the card's dongle comes on and then turns off. Sometimes the whole >>thing hangs, sometimes I get errors. Right now the error is -60088. I >>can never get a connection. FYI, you can look up error numbers in the NewtonOS Error Database: http://toronto.unna.org/errors/ This particular error's symbol is kInetToolErrDhcpReqFailed - which in plain english means your Newton couldn't find (or send) an DHCP request to get an IP address on the network. > I have the exact same setup that you have (MP2100 and a 3Com Etherlink III > model 3C589D). This happened to me as well, and I know what the problem is. > > I Think the network card (being 10 Megabit only) doesn't play well with > network switches and/or auto sensing 100 or 1000 Megabit hubs. > > I had to get a hold of an old 10 Megabit hub to put between my Newton and > the rest of my network, just to make it work. > > Perhaps someone else here could explain why in more technical detail. Well, auto-sensing just doesn't always work, especially between different brands of hardware or cheap hardware. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #91 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 13 03:12:00 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9686FE for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45686-07 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C93A385 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB03472E18; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:11:19 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:11:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 03:11:19 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #92 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031213021119.CB03472E18_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 12 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 092 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working [NPDS] NPDS Sample Scripts Package ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:20:25 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Hey Victor... Are we ever going to see your Newt online again? Sorry that my spare one ended up going to Philz. g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:32:34 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working Grant Hutchinson wrote: > Hey Victor... > > Are we ever going to see your Newt online again? > > Sorry that my spare one ended up going to Philz. Maybe... problem is that I only have one PCMCIA Ethernet card anymore, and it stays in my main Newt for the most part so I can connect at work. However I've also been using IrDA and Eck's tools quite a lot to install packages and move data, so once I can make a RAS PPP connection from Win2k to my Newton, I can slap the Ethernet card into the backup and broadcast that sweet Newton vibe from the true north once again. Also I can't use my old wireless RangeLAN2 stuff anymore, since it won't work with newer Linux kernels and I can't reliably get it to work with WinXP either (the only two desktop OSes I have at home anymore). I'll be buying some 802.11b hardware soon I think. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:38:28 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> On 12/12/03 10:32 AM, "Victor Rehorst" <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> wrote: > so once I can make a RAS PPP connection from Win2k to my Newton, I > can slap the Ethernet card into the backup and broadcast that sweet Newton > vibe from the true north once again. I have a spare ethernet PCMCIA I could drop in the mail...? Email me off list and I will dig it out tonight (from the last inspection of my basement err, office, that might be a little bit, but I know its down there) DVS -- http://newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:15:33 +0100 From: Manuel Probsthain <nospam_manu_at_xonxion_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] NPDS Sample Scripts Package Hi everybody, I'm unable to install the sample scripts package, it fails with either Mac NCU (went to death - Mac OS restart req.) or NPI (waitin for a long time - connection error), same goes for Newton DIL Tester on Windows. Any thoughts?!? Btw: I wanted to replace the always down mymacs.net tracker... Regards, Manu ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #92 ************************* From ???@??? Sun Dec 14 03:12:03 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF8115B8 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75392-08 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C73DC5 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC3E72E2D; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:10:54 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #93 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031214021054.0AC3E72E2D_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 13 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 093 In This Issue: [NPDS] Tracker Server compilation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 04:25:00 +0100 From: Manuel Probsthain <nospam_manu_at_xonxion_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Tracker Server compilation Help!!! How do I <see subject> under Linux...?! JDK 1.4.1 - compiles fine, no errors. Then I've got these files: linuxbox:/usr/local/npdstrackerserver # ls . npdstracker$TQueryException.class npdstracker.class .. npdstracker$TServer.class npdstracker.ini npdstracker$TConnection.class npdstracker$TServerInfo.class npdstracker.java npdstracker$THostInfo.class npdstracker$TValidator.class template.html On execution it says: linuxbox:/usr/local/npdstrackerserver # /usr/lib/java/jre/bin/java npdstracker.class Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: npdstracker/class Never written anything in Java, sorry... :-( Regards, Manu ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #93 ************************* From ???@??? Mon Dec 15 03:12:54 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE19689 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00251-01 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA797684 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510337312E; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:11:16 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #94 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031215021116.510337312E_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sun, 14 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 094 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Server compilation [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package [NPDS] New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:35:00 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Tracker Server compilation Aux environs du 13/12/03 à 4:25 +0100, sous le titre "[NPDS] Tracker Server compilation", Manuel Probsthain prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >linuxbox:/usr/local/npdstrackerserver # /usr/lib/java/jre/bin/java >npdstracker.class >Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: npdstracker/class java takes one argument, the name of the class (without .class). So you probably want to do: /usr/lib/java/jre/bin/java npdstracker The tracker actually needs a lifting. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:35:26 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package Aux environs du 13/12/03 à 2:15 +0100, sous le titre "[NPDS] NPDS Sample Scripts Package", Manuel Probsthain prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >I'm unable to install the sample scripts package, it fails with >either Mac NCU (went to death - Mac OS restart req.) or NPI (waitin >for a long time - connection error), same goes for Newton DIL Tester >on Windows. > >Any thoughts?!? Maybe the package is corrupted. Where did you downloaded it from? Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:30:45 +0100 From: Manuel Probsthain <nospam_manu_at_xonxion_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package Paul Guyot wrote: >> Any thoughts?!? > > > Maybe the package is corrupted. > Where did you downloaded it from? From npds.free.fr, downloaded it twice to be sure, but nothin. Does it contain the example scripts from M. Vaughn? I've got his packages... Regards, Manu ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:18:45 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Manuel Probsthain typed vigorously: >Does it contain the example scripts from M. Vaughn? >I've got his packages... It is the same set of scripts, but the packages are different - although this may be due to Paul recompiling the package from Matt's source. I don't think that there is any reason why you couldn't use Matt's package with the current NPDS packages. However, if there is something wrong with the package on the NPDS site, we should replace it. Paul, do you want to do this or shall I? g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:26:44 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package Aux environs du 14/12/03 à 13:18 -0700, sous le titre "[NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package", Grant Hutchinson prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >Paul, do you want to do this or shall I? I will be offline the next week, so I let you do this. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: [NPDS] Re: NPDS Sample Scripts Package Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:25:50 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Grant Hutchinson typed vigorously: >However, if there is something wrong with >the package on the NPDS site, we should replace it. The corrupted NPDS-Scripts package has been replaced on the NPDS site. While I was at it, I also added the same package to the source code archive in that directory. May as well be consistent, right? http://npds.free.fr/modules/utilities/ Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:00:42 +0100 From: Manuel Probsthain <nospam_manu_at_xonxion_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running Hi folks, I've launched a new NPDS Tracker Server to replace the currently down mymacs.net tracker. The URL is npds-traq.xonxion.net and both ports 3680 and 8080 are in use, my server is located in Germany. Paul and Victor, would you both please add my server to your syncing and link lists for sharing of records? And thank you Paul for your little Java hint... ;-) Regards, Manu ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #94 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 02:10:25 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8B27A for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67845-07 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C98F79 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62E272E68; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:11:09 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:11:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:11:09 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #96 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031217021109.A62E272E68_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Tue, 16 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 096 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:56:50 -0500 From: Matvey Palchuk <nospam_matvey_at_yahoo_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: Ethernet connection stopped working John, you were exactly right! I got a hold of a 10Mbps hub and am now back online! Thanks a bunch! Matvey P.S. As Paul mentioned, I am running 2.105 beta - come check it out (if my DNS does not change) At 12:26 AM -0600 12/11/03, John Skinner wrote: >I have the exact same setup that you have (MP2100 and a 3Com Etherlink III >model 3C589D). This happened to me as well, and I know what the problem is. > >I Think the network card (being 10 Megabit only) doesn't play well with >network switches and/or auto sensing 100 or 1000 Megabit hubs. > >I had to get a hold of an old 10 Megabit hub to put between my Newton and >the rest of my network, just to make it work. > >Perhaps someone else here could explain why in more technical detail. > >Hope this helps! > > >[NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: >mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] -- Matvey B. Palchuk, MD, MS Clinical Informatics Research & Development Partners HealthCare System, Inc. 93 Worcester St., PO Box 81905, Wellesley, MA 02481 781-416-8519 office, 781-416-8912 fax mpalchuk@partners.org http://www.partners.org/cird/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:56:29 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Celebrity visits... From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> So how pysched am I that I get this message posted via WB on my Newt: "Hi Nice newton site! Posted 12/11/03 12:04 pm By Dave Matthews (dave@davematthewsband.com)" Pretty darn cool. (If only it were true.) Happy Holidays, DVS -- http://newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #96 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 02:10:54 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D747A for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33683-01 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:11:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC00A79 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AA372E3A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:23 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #97 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031219021123.D5AA372E3A_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Fri, 19 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 097 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: appreciate assistance [NPDS] Re: appreciate assistance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:12:09 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] appreciate assistance From: "Michael Lea" <nospam_mikel_at_scilink_dot_org> I would appreciate any assistance with the problem of getting my npds server up and running ...... Actually the server is up and running just fine. Unfortunately the tracker client returns the follow error message - "An error occurred in Endpoint Connect. A communications problem occurred. Connection may have been dropped. Error = 16013. Here is my set-up ... DSL connection D-Link router for home LAN I set the router to provide virtual server for the newton npds with a private IP # . I see that the "preferences" in the Tracker Client needs a Public IP #. Unfortunately my DSL setup neither uses dynamic IP address or static IP address, but, something called PPPoE? Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matvey Palchuk <nospam_matvey_at_yahoo_dot_com> Subject: [NPDS] Re: appreciate assistance Your DSL provider indeed assignes you a dynamic IP address - go to http://www.whatismyip.com/ to see what it is right now. This is the address you're supposed to give in Tracker preferences. Keep in mind that if your router reconnects to DSL provider (may happen infrequently or very frequently, depending on provider and myriad of other things), your IP address will change, and you'll have to update the Tracker preferences again. I'll let someone else talk about the virtues of dyndns.org... --- Michael Lea <nospam_mikel_at_scilink_dot_org> wrote: > > I would appreciate any assistance with the problem > of getting my npds > server up and running ...... > > Actually the server is up and running just fine. > Unfortunately the tracker > client returns the follow error message - "An error > occurred in Endpoint > Connect. A communications problem occurred. > Connection may have been > dropped. Error = 16013. > > Here is my set-up ... > > DSL connection > D-Link router for home LAN > I set the router to provide virtual server for the > newton npds with a > private IP # . > > I see that the "preferences" in the Tracker Client > needs a Public IP #. > Unfortunately my DSL setup neither uses dynamic IP > address or static IP > address, but, something called PPPoE? > > Any suggestions? > > > > > [NPDS Mailing List: To unsubscribe: mailto:npds-request@ml.free.fr?subject=unsubscribe] ===== Matvey B. Palchuk, MD, MS mpalchuk@partners.org Clinical Informatics Research & Development Partners HealthCare System, Inc. 93 Worcester St., PO Box 81905, Wellesley, MA 02481 781-416-8519 (o), 781-416-8912 (f) http://www.partners.org/cird/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:36:37 -0500 Subject: [NPDS] Re: appreciate assistance From: David Schultz <nospam_evil_genius_at_mac_dot_com> at one point, Matvey Palchuk at matvey@yahoo.com typed out: > I'll let someone else talk about the virtues of > dyndns.org... Or no-ip.com DVS -- http://newtonserver.no-ip.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:27:15 +0100 From: Manuel Probsthain <nospam_manu_at_xonxion_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: appreciate assistance David Schultz wrote: >>I'll let someone else talk about the virtues of >>dyndns.org... >> >> Go to www.dyndns.org (most popular service), register for a new account, select a hostname with toplevel domain (i.e. dyndns.org) for you (the FAQ there could tell you more) and either your D-Link router supports registration to some dyndns service at connect or get some client to update your hostname record (look at the FAQ mentioned above for clients). Then enter your selected hostname in the tracker client prefs and your done (hopefully)... If not, don't hesitate to ask more questions. :-) Greets, Manu ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #97 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Dec 20 02:10:07 2003 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EBAB07 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31591-07 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24494B03 for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF10A730C5; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:11:11 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #95 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20031216021111.DF10A730C5_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Mon, 15 Dec 2003 Volume: 04 Issue: 095 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running [NPDS] Re: New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] Re: New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:16:51 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> In a previous message, Manuel Probsthain typed vigorously: > I've launched a new NPDS Tracker Server to replace the > currently down mymacs.net tracker. Awesome Manuel. I've added you server to the list of trackers on the NPDS home page. I have also removed the reference to Dan Claessens' server until such a time as it becomes available again. Thanks for your support! Grant ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:53:09 +0100 From: Paul Guyot <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running Aux environs du 15/12/03 à 1:00 +0100, sous le titre "[NPDS] New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running", Manuel Probsthain prit sa plus belle plume pour écrire les mots suivants: >Paul and Victor, would you both please add my server to your syncing >and link lists for sharing of records? Done. Paul -- Philosophie de baignoire - consultations sur rendez-vous. NPDS/NewtonOS: http://newton.kallisys.net:8080/ Apache/FreeBSD: http://www.kallisys.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:52:15 -0500 From: Victor Rehorst <nospam_victor_at_newtontalk_dot_net> Subject: [NPDS] Re: New NPDS Tracker Server is up and running Paul Guyot wrote: > Aux environs du 15/12/03 à 1:00 +0100, sous le titre "[NPDS] New NPDS > Tracker Server is up and running", Manuel Probsthain prit sa plus belle > plume pour écrire les mots suivants: > >> Paul and Victor, would you both please add my server to your syncing >> and link lists for sharing of records? > > > Done. Ditto. -- Victor Rehorst - victor@newtontalk.net - chuma@chuma.org NewtonTalk list administrator - http://www.newtontalk.net Will the last person to leave the platform please turn off the backlight? ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #95 ************************* From ???@??? Sat Jan 03 03:12:15 2004 Return-Path: <nospam_npds-owner_at_ml.free_dot_fr> X-Original-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Delivered-To: paul@mail.continuity.cx Received: from localhost (localhost.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6403D8 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.continuity.cx ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amaterasu.continuity.cx [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81889-05 for <nospam_paul_at_mail.continuity_dot_cx>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mail.continuity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62F636F for <nospam_pguyot_at_kallisys_dot_net>; Fri, 2 Jan 2004 18:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28C772F3E; Sat, 3 Jan 2004 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) Received: with LISTAR (v0.42; list npds); Sat, 03 Jan 2004 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 03:10:53 +0100 (CET) From: Listar <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> To: npds digest users <nospam_listar_at_ml.free_dot_fr> Reply-To: npds@ml.free.fr Subject: npds Digest V4 #98 Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <nospam_20040103021053.F28C772F3E_at_ml.free_dot_fr> ------------------------------------ npds Digest Sat, 03 Jan 2004 Volume: 04 Issue: 098 In This Issue: [NPDS] Re: 100,000 hits redux! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [NPDS] 100,000 hits redux! Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:59:08 -0700 From: Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> Just a quick note to say that my NPDS server crossed that incredible 100,000 hit mark over the holidays. All I can say is wow! g. ...................................................................... Grant Hutchinson } Interface Considerations & Toys Weblog } www.splorp.com Newton } www.newted.org Design } www.veer.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 01:21:33 +0000 Subject: [NPDS] Re: 100,000 hits redux! From: Richard Sheppard <nospam_richard_at_siliconmeadow_dot_net> well done Grant! I'm endeavouring to get my MP2000ug back online in January... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 02:29:18 +0100 From: Stefan Hassenstein <nospam_orpheus_at_bawue_dot_de> Subject: [NPDS] Re: 100,000 hits redux! * Grant Hutchinson <nospam_grant_at_splorp_dot_com> [2004-01-03 02:00]: Congratulation ! Right now... i am freezed with a Linksys WPC11 v4. As Paul G. introduced to us, the "v4" isn´t working with the patch he introduced.... :-( Stefan ------------------------------ End of npds Digest V4 #98 *************************